2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[The Jack]

Oh for sure.

I just wonder who Carlton traded up to get.

My initial assumption was FOS given the connection with Walsh but Draper could be the one given:

They traded up to get in front of Adelaide.
They need a player who will impact immediately.
They lack speed in the midfield.
They want to play Cripps forward more.

Draper ticks all the boxes of being able to make a genuine change to the way Carlton set up on ball.

I rekon they are gonna snipe him from the Crows leaving Adelaide with Langford.

Then it's down to what Melbourne do at 5.

They reportedly love Reid and they are keen on both Armstrong and Tauru. Assuming North are taking Tauru then the Dees could probably be comfortable letting Armstrong through to pick 9 BUT they run the risk of the Saints grabbing him as "best available" or trading down with another team that rates him.

So do they lock up their tall at 5 and take whoever slides out of Reid, Smith & Smillie at 9?

Richmond - Lalor
Richmond - FOS
Carlton - Draper
Adelaide - Langford
Melbourne - Armstrong
North - Tauru
St Kilda - Smith
St Kilda - ???

There is every chance we are getting Jagga Smith at pick 7 with a choice of Smillie, Reid, Allan or a trade at pick 8.

Melbourne will be taking a mid at 5. They will get a KP at 9 if they really want one.

 

[stavro#4]

Other posters are allowed to discuss the good and bad of the people the club hire. If you cant cope with the acknowledgement of the bad picks, just scroll past it. No one is obliged to only discuss the perspective you agree with.

Sure thing mate.

You do you and keep discussing the hypothetical about the guy who passed away - who wouldn’t have taken our picks anyway.

It’s turned out to be a completely irrelevant discussion point. But keep bringing it up.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Harry Sheezel

For me too

Followed by Jagga.

Not sold on what I’ve seen of Lalor.

FOS v Zebras sold me

Tbh I think Lalor has become some kind of accepted top 2 in the draft purely because of the Richmond whispers. Not that he’s out of tier 1, but without it it’s likely Smith and even Langford or Smillie would be just as much in that mix. And I’d probably just as happily (not above, but similar) take one of the latter two without coughing up a F1. It’s probably just a shame it’s not Adelaide or Melbourne being the ones wanting to shuffle back.

Basically everything comes back to Higgins, so we should smite him.

 

[BrutThough]

Sure thing mate.

You do you and keep discussing the hypothetical about the guy who passed away - who wouldn’t have taken our picks anyway.

It’s turned out to be a completely irrelevant discussion point. But keep bringing it up.

You are actually the only one bringing Toce into the discussion by replying to a comment that had nothing to do with him with a breakdown of your opinion on his drafting.

So maybe time to take your own advice and stop using him as some sort of comeback when another posters dares acknowledge some of Sydneys recent draft mistake

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Acceptable won’t necessarily cut it…we must go for best available and nail this draft

We desperately need a top 10 in the compl player. I was hoping it would be this draft.

 

[Joffaboy]

It's mainly when a large number of people arrive at once. We try to plan, but it is difficult.

Yeah I know, was taking the piss. Overload is always an issue.

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[Tommy Wigs]

I saw Trainor train with us earlier this year..really impressive and didn’t look out of place, great mover, clean in the air & ground level and a beautiful kick!

If we do slide back and (only) have 3 top 20 picks, he’d be great get down there. But probably if the other two are mids of some sort.

 

[stavro#4]

You are actually the only one bringing Toce into the discussion by replying to a comment that had nothing to do with him with a breakdown of your opinion on his drafting.

So maybe time to take your own advice and stop using him as some sort of comeback when another posters dares acknowledge some of Sydneys recent draft mistake

Are they not intrinsically linked? I mean You wanted to randomly pot dimple for a draft that wasn’t great outside of landing a superstar in the 30s. But you wouldn’t be making that comment if he wasn’t our recruiter.

The point I made was that every recruiter cops that. Even Toce who has been fabled as a fantastic recruiter when his 2022 looks fairly average right now.

Not sure you just had the win you thought it was. But keep it up.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Or Lindsay if he drifts a little.

Draft night is going to be absolute box office for Saints supporters (did you see Richmond are selling $25 tickets to a Draft Party at Punt Rd?).

While we're throwing names around, Harrison Oliver is an interesting one... small defender wise we have the very unproven Gus & potentially Hoffman to replace JWeb. With the way the game is going with multiple small forwards playing a huge part in the most dangerous forward lines, maybe he's a chance if he's still on the board in the 40's.

(I'm putting Hastie & Nas aside as they play more offensive roles)

I’d sadly love that Draft Party.

God I’m a loser

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

If we do slide back and (only) have 3 top 20 picks, he’d be great get down there. But probably if the other two are mids of some sort.

Have we discussed the possibility of trading back & then trading our Future 1st as well?

8 for 15 & 16
F1 for 19 & 22

7, 15, 16, 19, 22, 32

 

[Joffaboy]

Are they not intrinsically linked? I mean You wanted to randomly pot dimple for a draft that wasn’t great outside of landing a superstar in the 30s. But you wouldn’t be making that comment if he wasn’t our recruiter.

The point I made was that every recruiter cops that. Even Toce who has been fabled as a fantastic recruiter when his 2022 looks fairly average right now.

Not sure you just had the win you thought it was. But keep it up.

All recruiters have misses. Beveridge was touted as some guru but had a heap of misses.
I reckon Toce was instrumental in Wilkie Sharman, NAZ, and Pou, he had a heap of work in SA.
However he was just one of a number of recruiters, same as Dalrymple.
Maybe this argument had run its course?

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[Tommy Wigs]

18 days to ffs.

And this is the quiet stage with very few whispers. Cal goes quiet. Then gives it all away with a day to go. Feels like Mark McGowan is the go to.

 

[akaifu]

Have we discussed the possibility of trading back & then trading our Future 1st as well?

8 for 15 & 16
F1 for 19 & 22

7, 15, 16, 19, 22, 32

We do not have the list spots for that

 

[BrutThough]

Are they not intrinsically linked? I mean You wanted to randomly pot dimple for a draft that wasn’t great outside of landing a superstar in the 30s. But you wouldn’t be making that comment if he wasn’t our recruiter.

The point I made was that every recruiter cops that. Even Toce who has been fabled as a fantastic recruiter when his 2022 looks fairly average right now.

Not sure you just had the win you thought it was. But keep it up.

No they arent linked for most people. Most are perfectly capable of discussing one recruiters picks without needing a whataboutism response about someone else.

And sure, we are discussing Dalrymple mistakes but that's because he is our recruiter now. But why would the ST Kilda draft thread contain discussion about the track record of West Coast or Brisbane's recruiter? That's not relevant to what is happening here or a point of interest for most Saints fans.

We know every recruiter makes mistakes. Thats why you getting so defensive when Dalrymple's mistakes are brought up is so strange and unnecessary.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

We do not have the list spots for that

CULL MORE NOW!

 

[EconomicDecline]

I thought Pou was the biggest FIGJAM I had ever laid eyes on, now he is my favourite player because he recognised his flaws and went back to the VFL to work hard while maintaining his inner belief.

These new breed of kids don't have the same quiet, humble nature that was the standard up until about 5/6 years ago, but I think its ultimately been a good thing. We had an extremely introverted, borderline autistic group under Richo. I think the stature of the club probably blends into this, players are naturally lower profile than Collingwood or Carlton players so they go about their business quietly.

Far more first round picks are ready to impact straight away and believe they are at the level by the time their first game rolls around. Took Joey Montagna 4 seasons just to start believing he belonged, and from memory BJ Goddard didn't really become a true star until his 5th or 6th year. NAS, Pou, Owens, Wilson all contributed very early on and are improving every game. Will always have your slow burns but the top level talent seem more AFL ready than ever because of the private school system being borderline professional and extremely well resourced

Go too far the other way and then you get a team full of insufferable pricks like Hawthorn

 

[TheJackal]

Boyd’s built like a 25 year old!!

I guess that explains the 5 season career he had then.

 

[Train12]

Really want Smilie or Smith, Allan, Lindsay and Shanahan.

 

[saintmike65]

The Pick Swap period finishes in a week (8th) what are the odds anything happens?

If anything is consistent with clubs trading it will all happen on the last day.....clubs dont want to be giving away their positions or conceding too early.

Pick swaps of real significance will likely happen on draft night

 

[saintmike65]

I guess that explains the 5 season career he had then.

Really want Smilie or Smith, Allan, Lindsay and Shanahan.

That’s a haul Richmond could get!

 

[stavro#4]

No they arent linked for most people. Most are perfectly capable of discussing one recruiters picks without needing a whataboutism response about someone else.

And sure, we are discussing Dalrymple mistakes but that's because he is our recruiter now. But why would the ST Kilda draft thread contain discussion about the track record of West Coast or Brisbane's recruiter? That's not relevant to what is happening here or a point of interest for most Saints fans.

We know every recruiter makes mistakes. Thats why you getting so defensive when Dalrymple's mistakes are brought up is so strange and unnecessary.

Then evidently your incapable of forming an accurate opinion as you focus on the “3 failed picks prior” to taking a top 25 player in the league.

I’d suggest when summarising the quality of work someone does you judge it on the entirety of their work in that draft class.

They walked away with a star. Be it p5 or p55. You land a star and it’s a win.

Pick 1 doesn’t guarantee you a star. Pick 3 doesn’t. Nor does 7+8. We should know that.

It was evident what you were trying to do.

I’ll leave it at that and not derail the thread.

 

[FQFjt]

Then you can bet your house Ross won’t have forgotten him if that’s the impression he left.

Especially with the glaring need for someone like him

If the reports about Trainor's concussion history are true, I can't see any club taking a risk on him in the first round.

 

[stavro#4]

If the reports about Trainor's concussion history are true, I can't see any club taking a risk on him in the first round.

HSun ran with a bit on him last week saying it’s overblown and his family is upset it’s hurting his prospects

 

[akaifu]

If the reports about Trainor's concussion history are true, I can't see any club taking a risk on him in the first round.

Trainor himself said it was all bs. He said he doesn't think he even had the recent one, and after rumours he missed the final couple games and testing bc of concussion, he confirmed it was bc of some other minor injury niggle

 

[FQFjt]

Trainor himself said it was all bs. He said he doesn't think he even had the recent one, and after rumours he missed the final couple games and testing bc of concussion, he confirmed it was bc of some other minor injury niggle

That's all a bit mysterious. The fact that he missed the GF because of the 21 day concussion protocol was reported by mainstream types, not just rumour. It was his prior history of multiple previous concussions which I've only seen on bigfooty (but seemingly confirmed by his immediate slide in all draft rankings by those in those in the know).