2024 Draft Thread.

[Mat Mann]

Draft Period, November 20–21

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Wednesday, November 20
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Thursday, November 21
• Rookie Promotions: Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Thursday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Friday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Friday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Friday, November 22, 3.20pm

 

[maanco]

Clubs won’t see it as too far off his value. Plus it would force us to match.

Splitting 8 and moving 32 in would be the best bet for us.

Other than forcing us to match it doesn't really do anything for those clubs strategically.

It will absorb 1 pick for 1 player.

And there is a risk that we don't match.

 

[stavro#4]

Other than forcing us to match it doesn't really do anything for those clubs strategically.

It will absorb 1 pick for 1 player.

And there is a risk that we don't match.

It’s the same threat used successfully on Essendon with Kako.

It’s removes clubs from double dipping in that range of “Live” picks.

It’s not a threat at 40+.

But it would take 32 out of the “live” selections on the night.

 

[akaifu]

No offense intended but "bombing the ball long" is unlikely to result in an 85% disposal efficiency.

Any kick that travels more than 40 metres is considered 'effective' even if it results in a turnover

So if he kicks it 100 times, and every time it travels 40+ metres but hits an opponent's chest, he would still have 100% efficiency

 

[Noddah]

Does anyone know if the draft will be streamed?

 

[stavro#4]

Does anyone know if the draft will be streamed?

Fox footy. Same as every year

 

[Armoooo]

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Is that pick swap worth it?
Is pick 19 and 26 (currently 16 and 21) really better than picks 9 and 34 (currently 8 and 32).


An argument could be made, that the nga/fs are not available so the picks could be considered.
8 and 31 for picks 16 and 21 (excluding NGAs and f/s)

Definitely not worth it imo.

When these sort of pick trades are done, I reckon a good rule of thumb is that every place the earliest pick is upgraded is worth twice as much as the later pick.

Ie. 5 and 20 for 9 and 10 is reasonably fair.

5 and 20 for 9 and 16 is not.

This is because picks increase in value exponentially the closer you get to the top.

Downgrading your early pick 8 spots for upgrading a later pick 10 spots just isn't worth it and pick 56 doesn't have enough value to even enter considerations.

 

[triggering bro]

Would happily take Allan with pick 8. In an ideal world Langford/FOS slide and we select either of them with our first pick to give us a bit more flexibility to take a risk with our next pick. FOS and Allan sounds great. still Not overly keen on Smillie or Reid.

 

[maanco]

Other than forcing us to match it doesn't really do anything for those clubs strategically.

It will absorb 1 pick for 1 player.

And there is a risk that we don't match.

Only Port Adelaide (pick 29 and 36) and the Dogs (25 and 35) would see any benefit to bid on Cole.
The strategy would be so we don't draft the player that they want at pick 32, and it may allow the player to slide to pick 35/36.

But as I said they would be taking a big risk hoping we match.

Pick 29 will fall to pick 31 and 25 to 29.

 

[maanco]

It’s the same threat used successfully on Essendon with Kako.

It’s removes clubs from double dipping in that range of “Live” picks.

It’s not a threat at 40+.

But it would take 32 out of the “live” selections on the night.

I can't see it happening.

Based on the big footy official phantom draft who makes the bid?

Note I'm showing the below as it represents what the draft order will look like after bids.

Round 1
Pick 1 - Richmond - Sam Lalor (GWV Rebels/ VIC C)
Pick 2 - North Melbourne - Finn O'Sullivan (Oakeigh Chargers/ VIC C)
Pick 3 - Brisbane - Levi Ashcroft (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M) [Matched Bid, used Picks 27, 34,42 and 43, receive Pick 3 and 230 points for Marshall bid)
Pick 4 - Carlton - Sid Draper (South Adelaide/ SA)
Pick 5 - Adelaide - Jagga Smith (Oakleigh Chargers/ VIC M)
Pick 6 - Melbourne - Harvey Langford (Dandenong Stingrays/ VIC C)
Pick 7 - Richmond - Alix Tauru (Gippsland Power/ VIC C)
Pick 8 - St Kilda - Josh Smillie (Eastern Ranges / VIC M)
Pick 9 - St Kilda - Harry Armstrong ( Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M)
Pick 10 - Melbourne - Murphy Reid (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M)
Pick 11 - Richmond - Bo Allan (Peel Thunder/ WA)
Pick 12 - Essendon - Isaac Kako (Calder Cannons/ VIC M) [Matched Bid, used Picks 28 and 31, receive Pick 12]
Pick 13 - Richmond - Tobie Travaglia (Bendigo Pioneers/ VIC C)
Pick 14 - Gold Coast Suns - Leonardo Lombard (Gold Coast Academy, VFL/ QLD) [Matched Bid, used Picks 37 and 39, receive Pick 14]
Pick 15 - West Coast - Xavier Lindsay (Gippsland Power/ VIC C)
Pick 16 - Port Adelaide - Taj Hotton (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M)
Pick 17 - Fremantle - Joe Berry (Murray Bushrangers/ VIC C)
Pick 18 - GWS - Harrison Oliver (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M)
Pick 19 - GWS - Jack Whitlock (Murray Bushrangers/ VIC C)
Pick 20 - Western Bulldogs - Ollie Hannaford (GWV Rebels/ VIC C)
Pick 21 - Richmond - Cooper Hynes (Dandenong Stingrays/ VIC C)
Pick 22 - Sydney - Jobe Shanahan (Bendigo Pioneers/ NSW)
Pick 23 - Richmond - Alex Dodson (Sturt/ SA)
Pick 24 - GWS - Tom Gross (Oakleigh Chargers/ VIC M)
Pick 25 - Brisbane - Sam Marshall (Sandringham Dragons/ QLD) [Matched Bid, Used Picks 44 and 55]
Pick 26 - Sydney - Luke Trainor (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M)
Pick 27 - Richmond - Jonty Faull (GWV Rebels/ VIC C)

Round 2
Pick 28 - Richmond - Thomas Sims (Northern Knights/ VIC M)
Pick 29 - Western Bulldogs - Hamish Davis (Claremont/ WA)
Pick 30 - West Coast - Christian Moraes (Eastern Ranges/ VIC M)
Pick 31 - Port Adelaide - Jesse Dattoli (Northern Knights/ VIC M)
Pick 32 - Fremantle - Angus Clarke (Glenelg/ SA)
Pick 33 - St Kilda - Matt Whitlock (Murray Bushrangers/ VIC C)
Pick 34 - Hawthorn - Hugh Boxshall (Claremont/ WA)
Pick 35 - Carlton - Ben Camporeale (Glenelg/SA) [Matched Bid, used Pick 38)
Pick 36 - Western Bulldogs - Jasper Alger (Oakleigh Chargers/ VIC C)
Pick 37 - Hawthorn - Cody Anderson (Eastern Ranges) [Matched bid, used picks 65 & 71)
Pick 38 - Port Adelaide -Will Hayes (Claremont/ WA)
Pick 39 - GWS - Jack Ough (GWV Rebels / VIC C)
Pick 40 - Essendon - James Barrat (Bendigo Pioneers/ VIC C)

Round 3
Pick 41 - Sydney - Luke Urquhart (East Fremantle/ WA)
Pick 42 - Geelong - Lachie Jacques (Geelong Falcons/ VIC C)
Pick 43 - Essendon - Lennox Hofman (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M) [St Kilda elected not to match]
Pick 44 - St Kilda - Kayle Gerreyn (West Perth/ WA)
Pick 45 - Western Bulldogs - Harry O'Farrell (Calder Cannons/ VIC M)
Pick 46 - Port Adelaide - Noah Mraz (Dandenong Stingrays/ VIC C)
Pick 47 - Gold Coast - Archer Day-Wicks (Bendigo Pioneers/ VIC C)
Pick 48 - Collingwood - Charlie Nicholls (Central Districts/ SA)
Pick 49 - Essendon - Sam Davidson (Richmond VFL)
Pick 50 - Essendon - Charlie West (WWT Eagles/ SA)
Pick 51 - GWS - Logan Smith (GWS Academy/ ACT) [Matched Bid, Used pick 52 to match)
Pick 52 - Collingwood - Josh Dolan (Sandringham Dragons/Vic M)
Pick 53 - Geelong - Clancy Dennis (Claremont/WA)
Pick 54 - Adelaide - Tyler Welsh (WWT Eagles/ SA) [Matched Bid, using pick 59]
Pick 55 Collingwood - Floyd Burmeister (GWV Rebels/VIC C)
Pick 56 - Sydney - Zak Johnson (Northern Knights/ VIC M)

Round 4
Pick 57 - Gold Coast - Rhys Unwin (GWV Rebels/ VIC C)
Pick 58 - West Coast - Malakai Champion (Subiaco/ WA) [Matched Bid, used pick 67]
Pick 59 - North Melbourne - Gabriel Stumpf (Northern Knights/ VIC M)
Pick 60 - Carlton - Jaxon Artemis (South Fremantle/ WA)
Pick 61 - Essendon - Jacob Newton (Norwood/ SA)
Pick 62 - Brisbane - Harry Charlson (GWV Rebels/ VIC C)
Pick 63 - Fremantle - Bailey McKenzie (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M)
Pick 64 - Carlton - Tom Bell (South Fremantle/ WA)
Pick 65 - Carlton - Lucas Camporaele (Glenelg/ SA)
Pick 66 - Gold Coast - Phoenix Hargrave (South Adelaide/ SA)
Pick 67 - Carlton - Adrian Cole (Sandringham Dragons/ VIC M) [Saints no more picks]
Pick 68 - GWS - Cody Angove (Claremont/ WA)
Pick 69 - Geelong - Sam Toner (Dandenong Stingrays/ VIC C)
Pick 70 - Gold Coast - Nathaniel Sulzberger (Sandringham Dragons/ TAS)
Pick 71 - Gold Coast - Lucas Ravenhill (Claremont/ WA)
Pick 72 - Hawthorn - Rome Burgoyne (WWT Eagles/ SA)

 

[BrutThough]

Does anyone know if the draft will be streamed?

There will also be a stream on the afl website

 

[Joffaboy]

Fox footy. Same as every year

AFL.com.au streams as well. Watching AFL on a tablet and Fox on Kayo, while shitposting on BF.
Nah not a footy nuffie at all

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[stavro#4]

AFL.com.au streams as well. Watching AFL on a tablet and Fox on Kayo, while shitposting on BF.
Nah not a footy nuffie at all

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

Isn’t AFL just analysis of the picks with Twomey?

 

[BrutThough]

AFL.com.au streams as well. Watching AFL on a tablet and Fox on Kayo, while shitposting on BF.
Nah not a footy nuffie at all

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

A real nuff would also be listening to the SEN radio broadcast

 

[Joffaboy]

A real nuff would also be listening to the SEN radio broadcast

I'll use my phone and put my headphones on.

Stav yes it is but I don't like the boring interviews on Fox. Only drawback is Ablett, boring sycophantic AFL company man.


On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Mangus]

All the talk of a top 6 then a big even bunch to about 25 is wrong I think there are a handful of players Tarau, Reid, Allan, Travaglia who I think should be in the conversation and others would probably add Lindsay and Armstrong to that top end bunch. Then there is Trainor who belongs there if you ignore the concussion talk.

After that you are in to neat half forwards like Berry and Dattoli or raw talls like Shanahan and the Whitlocks. They are all nice prospects but are not in an even tier with Tarau Reid Allan Travaglia in my opinion.

I am not keen on splitting 8 and even less keen on trading a F1 for a pick that on the night will be 18+.

Reid and Trainor may well slide all the way back there but just as likely won’t and if Trainor does it is purely because the concussion risk is very real. Only GWS or Richmond are likely to consider a trade out of this draft and into 2025 and only at a very high price. With the split of 8 the trouble is we won’t know who will be available when the split happens and chances are it will be Dattoli and Whitlocks and Hynes. I would take Travaglia over 2 of them every day of the week.

We don’t really need extra picks and I prefer 8 & 32 compared to 15 & 21

We have 8 list spots
Picks 7 8 32 Cole Hofman a mature age Ruck and we will need to rookie Crouch for now. Leaves one spot to rookie Peckett or other Rookie depending how we view what is left in the Rookie draft. Crouch will probably retire before the start of the season and we will take his spot to SSP someone.

At 32 take a tall Simms or Stumpf or Mraz O’Farell and re-enforce our talls I really haven’t spent any time looking at them so whoever they rate is OK with me.

Hoping for Langford Reid or Smillie Reid but am ok if it is Allan instead of Reid or even Travaglia. Expect Tarau will be gone to North but am OK to take him too if he slides. Any two of Langford Smillie Tarau Reid Allan and Travaglia is better than any split option.

 

[Moorabbin Ghost]

Thoughts are it will either be Langford or Tauru for us at 7.
Those saying they don’t want Tauru have their midfielder blinkers on. The kid looks like an aerial freak, a true multi positional player. You’d snap him up in a heartbeat.
If it is Tauru then I think we’ll likely keep 8 and pick the best mid, then shop F1/32 to get another pick in the teens.
But this draft is still so wide open, will be very interesting to see what Dees/Tigers do before us.

 

[beside the seaside]

Would happily take Allan with pick 8. In an ideal world Langford/FOS slide and we select either of them with our first pick to give us a bit more flexibility to take a risk with our next pick. FOS and Allan sounds great. still Not overly keen on Smillie or Reid.

Your thoughts on Travaglia?

 

[stavro#4]

I can't see it happening.

Based on the big footy official phantom draft who makes the bid?

Note I'm showing the below as it represents what the draft order will look like after bids.

Brisbane at 27 and Essendon at 28 will be traded out.

So they will be live picks with different clubs on the night

 

[Mangus]

It’s the same threat used successfully on Essendon with Kako.

It’s removes clubs from double dipping in that range of “Live” picks.

It’s not a threat at 40+.

But it would take 32 out of the “live” selections on the night.

Cole is not getting bid on before 32 and we shouldn’t be splitting 8 to avoid that possibility anyway that is crazy what we do with 8 should have nothing to do with what might happen at 32. If we lose pick 32 no big loss if we lose the 8th best player in the draft that is a disaster

 

[stavro#4]

Cole is not getting bid on before 32 and we shouldn’t be splitting 8 to avoid that possibility anyway that is crazy what we do with 8 should have nothing to do with what might happen at 32. If we lose pick 32 no big loss if we lose the 8th best player in the draft that is a disaster

8-20 are all somewhat similar talents.

There isn’t a clear cut pick 8. Every club would be viewing this differently.

Say, 8 and 32 into 15 and 16 where we grab two of those same level of talents is good for us.

 

[Mangus]

8-20 are all somewhat similar talents.

There isn’t a clear cut pick 8. Every club would be viewing this differently.

Say, 8 and 32 into 15 and 16 where we grab two of those same level of talents is good for us.

I guess I just completely disagree with the first sentence I think Travaglia Allan Reid are significantly better and Lindsay and Armstrong probably also better that those behind them if they weren’t GWS wouldn’t consider the trade

 

[SaintKing23]

Any kick that travels more than 40 metres is considered 'effective' even if it results in a turnover

So if he kicks it 100 times, and every time it travels 40+ metres but hits an opponent's chest, he would still have 100% efficiency

that's false. If it travels more than 40m to a contest or a teammate it's effective. But uncontested to the oppo is still ineffective. If under no pressure then it's also a clanger.

 

[stavro#4]

I guess I just completely disagree with the first sentence I think Travaglia Allan Reid are significantly better and Lindsay and Armstrong probably also better that those behind them if they weren’t GWS wouldn’t consider the trade

And yet they all have draft ranges ranging from 8 - 15 and we might just prefer 2 of them over the 1 we think is the best today.

 

[akaifu]

that's false. If it travels more than 40m to a contest or a teammate it's effective. But uncontested to the oppo is still ineffective. If under no pressure then it's also a clanger.

Yeah true. What I meant was it is still considered effective even if the opponent ends up with the ball post-contest

 

[Mangus]

And yet they all have draft ranges ranging from 8 - 15 and we might just prefer 2 of them over the 1 we think is the best today.

But if we split 8 for 15 and 16 we will be picking at 18 - 19 or later and all those will most likely be gone already

Different if it was 8 for 10 and 11 but that would involve our F1 as well and I wouldn’t do it and neither will Richmond