List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Not sure that this was the only reason for Campbell's slow growth in confidence. You may be correct, but Horse was never going to give him a midfield role from the get go. Swan recruits generally earn those stripes after stints across half forward or half back. Don't know why, but Campbell seemed reluctant to actually position himself to demand the ball as the best placed option or intercept it himself. That last quarter display against GWS was a coming of age for Campbell. It was one hell of an announcement of his arrival in the best 22.

Was always going to not suit defence, and in fact if he was ever going to work it was wing to half forward. Should always have played there whether in seniors or in the VFL.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Agree with the first, Cleary has shown talent in the midfield and forward, let's work on that first.
We've tried drafting a small lockdown defender and so far it appears not to have worked. Thought we might have gone with Lachie Cabor who played there in the Allies but we didn't.

The year we missed Darcy Wilmot was very annoying to say the least

 

[SwansLifer]

KPF with our first thanks, we actually have some good defenders and Cochrane coming. I'd be happy with a general defender with our second of those 'first' rounders or take the best available so to speak. I do have questions on both McLean AND Amartey going forward, Joel played well last week but that was the first one in months.

Go the Whitlock twins. I honestly wouldn't be unhappy with that.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Go the Whitlock twins. I honestly wouldn't be unhappy with that.

Wouldn't be unhappy, posted my top 6 earlier

 

[Vin Rogue]

There's no massive urgency with the small lockdown defender. Harry has just re-signed for 2 years and is in career best form as far as that role goes. Robbo will improve never having played or trained in the backline more or less until he was selected there. Vickery is being groomed for the role; Kirk is another option, maybe even Konstanty if he isn't working out up forward and isn't delisted? For now, my money is on Vickery to be Harry's successor. What I like about Vickery is that he is composed and he is quick enough.

I quite agree about the lack of urgency regarding a small lockdown defender. As I said, I reckon Cleary has the skill and aptitude to succeed in the role. Could he be used in other roles? Definitely. He's a keeper. I am interested in your nominations of Vickery, Kirk and Konstanty. Composed and quick enough - two attributes that almost all footballers would aspire to have in their cv. My guess is that only one of those three will gain a renewed contract.

 

[BloodySwan]

Go the Whitlock twins. I honestly wouldn't be unhappy with that.

Whitlock brothers and Charlie McCartin does make us a little tall doesn't it? It depends on who leaves the club but you would back a couple of them to turn good

 

[Callipygian]

I quite agree about the lack of urgency regarding a small lockdown defender. As I said, I reckon Cleary has the skill and aptitude to succeed in the role. Could he be used in other roles? Definitely. He's a keeper. I am interested in your nominations of Vickery, Kirk and Konstanty. Composed and quick enough - two attributes that almost all footballers would aspire to have in their cv. My guess is that only one of those three will gain a renewed contract.

Unlike some others, I'm happy to entertain the idea of Cleary being played in defence. Just because he shone in the front half doesn't mean he couldn't play elsewhere. He has the right attributes. In modern footy you have to be versatile. And just because you are drafted (or play) in a particular position, doesn't mean you will stay there. Robbo is playing as a defender currently (which I definitely didn't see coming - unlike Kiama Chris ) but he could still wind up playing midfield in future. There are countless other examples of our other players having moved around. In fact almost all of our backline started elsewhere.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Whitlock brothers and Charlie McCartin does make us a little tall doesn't it? It depends on who leaves the club but you would back a couple of them to turn good

That's why I'm expecting us to take a tall, sort of best available utility at the second of our firsts, ideally Cochrane as a rookie (he won't be bid on until a late 3rd at best)

 

[Kiama Chris]

Unlike some others, I'm happy to entertain the idea of Cleary being played in defence. Just because he shone in the front half doesn't mean he couldn't play elsewhere. He has the right attributes. In modern footy you have to be versatile. And just because you are drafted (or play) in a particular position, doesn't mean you will stay there. Robbo is playing as a defender currently (which I definitely didn't see coming - unlike Kiama Chris ) but he could still wind up playing midfield in future. There are countless other examples of our other players having moved around. In fact almost all of our backline started elsewhere.

I wouldn't write off Cleary to defence but I think the timing would be wrong.
Unless something dramatic happens he and Sheldrick will form the core of our VFL inside midfield next season working on their trade with Adams (maybe) as their mentor.
I think this is a great development path and far better than shifting around just yet.
Later maybe.
A lot depends on what happens with Parker and what Adams' role might be but that's how I see it.
BTW I think Gus would be a better defender than Caiden but don't want either there.

 

[anotherletdown]

I quite agree about the lack of urgency regarding a small lockdown defender. As I said, I reckon Cleary has the skill and aptitude to succeed in the role. Could he be used in other roles? Definitely. He's a keeper. I am interested in your nominations of Vickery, Kirk and Konstanty. Composed and quick enough - two attributes that almost all footballers would aspire to have in their cv. My guess is that only one of those three will gain a renewed contract.

And that 'one' can consider themselves very lucky

 

[Ticky009]

 

[bedford]

There's no massive urgency with the small lockdown defender. Harry has just re-signed for 2 years and is in career best form as far as that role goes. Robbo will improve never having played or trained in the backline more or less until he was selected there. Vickery is being groomed for the role; Kirk is another option, maybe even Konstanty if he isn't working out up forward and isn't delisted? For now, my money is on Vickery to be Harry's successor. What I like about Vickery is that he is composed and he is quick enough.

Roberts needs to fix his other side and will be part of the midfield

 

[Callipygian]

Roberts needs to fix his other side and will be part of the midfield

It's a good suggestion but I doubt his ability to kick on his right will determine when and whether he plays midfield. I think the availability and versatility of other players will have a much greater bearing. Still, would be good to see him getting midfield minutes. Already does well at stoppages.

 

[bedford]

It's a good suggestion but I doubt his ability to kick on his right will determine when and whether he plays midfield. I think the availability and versatility of other players will have a much greater bearing. Still, would be good to see him getting midfield minutes. Already does well at stoppages.

I say this because look at the difference with Heeney who's left foot has gone to another level , as can any player if they do the work

 

[Callipygian]

I say this because look at the difference with Heeney who's left foot has gone to another level , as can any player if they do the work

Heeney is incredible - has worked hard at his craft to become nearly ambi-legstrous!

However the rest of our midfielders aren't all great on both sides. I don't see it as a requirement.

 

[Kiama Chris]

It's a good suggestion but I doubt his ability to kick on his right will determine when and whether he plays midfield. I think the availability and versatility of other players will have a much greater bearing. Still, would be good to see him getting midfield minutes. Already does well at stoppages.

Great value either way. Can play from back pocket to inside mid. Horse's dream. The 60m pass to Amartey from CHB to CHF was . The GF will be his 25th game as a starter. 5 as sub. Hard to wrap your head around.

 

[SwansProudly]

Heeney is incredible - has worked hard at his craft to become nearly ambi-legstrous!

However the rest of our midfielders aren't all great on both sides. I don't see it as a requirement.

ambi-legstrous

 

[Kbroome]

I have been thinking about how matching academy bids will become difficult with the changes and i mean its a little more difficult, but given that i don't expect any of our three to be in the top 10 it really doesn't become that difficult to match. E.g. At Pick 10 in the new model with the 10% discount you would need picks 23 and 28 to match, or that would still be 37-41 with a pick 46 returning back. Just think it is almost negligible difference outside the top 10 but very tough on top 5 matching.

 

[Vin Rogue]

KPF with our first thanks, we actually have some good defenders and Cochrane coming. I'd be happy with a general defender with our second of those 'first' rounders or take the best available so to speak. I do have questions on both McLean AND Amartey going forward, Joel played well last week but that was the first one in months.

We need both KPD and KPF on the conveyor belt. Snell seems to be a good un. Yes, Amartey is too often just "out of it." Led or pushed too far under the ball. The leading patterns of our key forwards was a joy to behold against Port, creating leading runways for effective one on ones, not pack mark mayhem. You just hope that Amartey is a slow learner, because he needs to take stock of how good he can become, by doing successful forward craft more often. He is a slow burn project, but when he gets it, he could be the go to man.

 

[Vin Rogue]

Unlike some others, I'm happy to entertain the idea of Cleary being played in defence. Just because he shone in the front half doesn't mean he couldn't play elsewhere. He has the right attributes. In modern footy you have to be versatile. And just because you are drafted (or play) in a particular position, doesn't mean you will stay there. Robbo is playing as a defender currently (which I definitely didn't see coming - unlike Kiama Chris ) but he could still wind up playing midfield in future. There are countless other examples of our other players having moved around. In fact almost all of our backline started elsewhere.

A position for Cleary may become available in defence before a mid field possie opens for him. Becomes problematic for him if he excels there, but such is the fate of the modern professional footballer. No harm in carving out a future if he becomes a smooch with the dash of a Tagh. Roberts has been a revelation this year. He and JJ and Grundy and Heeney have elevated our team to this position.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Worrying news.

I am told (by someone who is at least semi-reliable as a source) that Chad enquired whether or not the Swans would be open to the possibility of a trade at the end of 2024.

The Swans said no.

 

[FreeAgent1]

Worrying news.

I am told (by someone who is at least semi-reliable as a source) that Chad enquired whether or not the Swans would be open to the possibility of a trade at the end of 2024.

The Swans said no.

Yeah I heard from a female friend (zero AFL interest) that he promised his GF that his next contract would be in WA. No idea how true that is, but they have been long distance for a while.

 

[bloodsbigot]

Worrying news.

I am told (by someone who is at least semi-reliable as a source) that Chad enquired whether or not the Swans would be open to the possibility of a trade at the end of 2024.

The Swans said no.

Couldn't you have saved this for after the Grand Final dude?

 

[Cadsky]

Worrying news.

I am told (by someone who is at least semi-reliable as a source) that Chad enquired whether or not the Swans would be open to the possibility of a trade at the end of 2024.

The Swans said no.

I'd probably delete this for now before some stupid jerno takes it and runs with it before the game on Saturday.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I'd probably delete this for now before some stupid jerno takes it and runs with it before the game on Saturday.

The WA press is already alluding to it as an inevitability.