List Mgmt. 2024 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

 

[Punts]

So membrey to pies

DBG to blues

Martin to cats

Wonder if parfitt will get a call up

 

[Membling]

Pick history with what we will likely have (push both back 4 spots

Pick 23: Petrie, Gardiner, Ferguson, Moody, Russling, Cook, Stuart, Pears, Zaharakis, Stevens, Cam Guthrie, Murray Newman

Murray Newman

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.8

4star

, Paparone, Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

, Steele, Cunningham, Witherden, Walker, Mclennan, Dyl Williams, Mcinnes, Butler

Some rippers in there with Petrie, Zaharakis, Gutrie, Crouch and Steele

Pick 26: Briss, Rogers, Jared Rivers, Mcconnell, Little, Ibbotson, Shane Edwards

10

Shane Edwards

Age

36

Ht

182cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

9.1

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

3.0

4star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.6

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.2

3star

, Meredith, Post, Coyler, Darling, Elton, Viney, Merrett, Toby Mclean

16

Toby Mclean

Age

28

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

9.0

3star

HB

10.7

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.4

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

6.5

3star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.5

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

16.8

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.8

3star

, Collins, Parfitt, Liam Ryan

1

Liam Ryan

Age

28

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

, West, Gould, Mcleod-allison, Connor Mcdonald

Good picks as well with RIvers, Darling, Viney (Shennigans) and Ryan


Very much a mixed bag

 

[caesar88]

Probably more in the ‘way forward’ thread. However, our GF performance certainly does make one evaluate the shape and composition of the team and overall list leading into the draft. Otherwise, we’re doomed of repeating the cycle…again.

I posted this in May of 2022

I don't think some have truly come to terms with the fact that the current team that is so reliant on it's senior core playing key roles (Hickey, Buddy, Rampe, JPK, maybe Parker, Lloyd, Cunningham) and the future team with our young core finally in their primes will not coincide.

I'm a massive fan of our core nucleus of youngsters - McCartin, Blakey, Rowbottom, McInerney, Warner, McDonald, Campbell and Gulden - but they're gonna be trying to get us a flag in a very different-looking Swans team to the one at present.

I'm just not sure we've aligned the generations correctly, if such a thing is even possible.

Although some of the names have changed, I still feel this could be a potential problem. It's exciting that so many of our best players are young players who we are gonna be able to enjoy for close to or over the next decade. But there's this whole other portion of players who are also still among our best/most important - Mills, Heeney, Papley, Lloyd, Grundy, Cunningham, Rampe. I would argue the latter four are still more important than we maybe want them to be given they're over 30. For example we look horrible in defence every time Rampe doesn't play, there is no obvious replacement who can do what Cunningham does to his level (besides maybe Fox, who is also over 30.) The only Grundy replacements on the list are the wildly unreliable Ladhams and the teenage Green, still in his baby-giraffe stage. And who knows how much longer we have the primes of Heeney, Mills & Papley?

So whilst we may think we have this great crop of young players for the next decade, my concern is that if they don't win a flag in the next year or so, they're gonna spend the better part of that decade trying to win one without a lot of very good players. It makes missed opportunities like this year and 2022 so very costly.

 

[dosser]

I just want us to get a forward who can mark above his head.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

LP1 where are you

Was at the races lol best mates birthday

 

[Kbroome]

Pick history with what we will likely have (push both back 4 spots

Pick 23: Petrie, Gardiner, Ferguson, Moody, Russling, Cook, Stuart, Pears, Zaharakis, Stevens, Cam Guthrie, Murray Newman, Paparone, Matt Crouch, Steele, Cunningham, Witherden, Walker, Mclennan, Dyl Williams, Mcinnes, Butler

Some rippers in there with Petrie, Zaharakis, Gutrie, Crouch and Steele

Pick 26: Briss, Rogers, Jared Rivers, Mcconnell, Little, Ibbotson, Shane Edwards, Meredith, Post, Coyler, Darling, Elton, Viney, Merrett, Toby Mclean, Collins, Parfitt, Liam Ryan, West, Gould, Mcleod-allison, Connor Mcdonald

Good picks as well with RIvers, Darling, Viney (Shennigans) and Ryan


Very much a mixed bag

Our 9 previous selections at 23 and 26 in the draft accounted for 67 games and 47 games came from Doyle drafted in 99

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We’ve done well with mid range pick Hayward was pick 21

 

[BloodySwan]

Parfitt would be a good DFA

 

[ShireSwan]

Our 9 previous selections at 23 and 26 in the draft accounted for 67 games and 47 games came from Doyle drafted in 99

Jeebus, how far up the board can we get if we offer both?

 

[Kbroome]

Jeebus, how far up the board can we get if we offer both?

I mean the last time we selected at 23 or 26 was Will Gould and the time before that was 2007 so hopefully we fair better than what the outcomes were previously

 

[ShireSwan]

This guy could talk underwater. Good watch.

 

[Kbroome]

This guy could talk underwater. Good watch.

Little shocked with the Dattoli call because i think there are plenty of quantity of young small forwards on our list. Think there were other needs or other possible selections that could have mocked at the pick there that would benefit the side the most but it is only a mock draft.

 

[Kiama Chris]

This guy could talk underwater. Good watch.

We could do a lot worse.

 

[ShireSwan]

We could do a lot worse.

Hard to go past Hynes as a pick for that will have a high floor if he's available IMO. - and might get games next year too if we wanted to get a bit more mobile than our three talls.
190 cm, athletic, plays forward or middle. Starts off forward no doubt but can have a few spells in the middle.
Tend to think Hynes and a Whitlock would be a good and balanced return. A LT need and a player with the athletic and ball getting numbers to suggest early games.

 

[hairy biker]

The 2 I like are Jagga Smith and Josh Smillie.

Now I'm sure there will be some naysayers, suggesting they will be selected earlier.

However remember the AFL is a community and we have two 'new' boys in Keane as list manager and John Giramondo in recruiting, so the other clubs will be eager to help out our new boys,

Spoiler: as well as assisting our new negotiating team

 

[Kbroome]

Hard to go past Hynes as a pick for that will have a high floor if he's available IMO. - and might get games next year too if we wanted to get a bit more mobile than our three talls.
190 cm, athletic, plays forward or middle. Starts off forward no doubt but can have a few spells in the middle.
Tend to think Hynes and a Whitlock would be a good and balanced return. A LT need and a player with the athletic and ball getting numbers to suggest early games.

Been saying this for the last 3 months or so that a baseline of Hynes and Whitlock isn't the worst. As it looks like the Hotton slide is starting to stall a fraction and WB and GWS will pick him up. Still mocks are mocks and expect the unexpected come draft day so there probably will be a top 10-15 ranked player on the board at 22

 

[Kbroome]

Just did some maths around bid matching for Cochran and how it would work as the main 4 bid matches in the first round get rid of picks around our 44 and 59 and here is what i came up with.

Cochran projected to be in the 40-55 range.
Sydney will be absolutely fine to match as 59 comes in to 53 after the first 4 major bid matches which will cover a bid match up to 40 which is projected to be the exact pick after Sydney's current 44 comes into 39 or 40 after the major 4 bid matches. Also if he continues slipping past then it doesn't matter as if he goes 4th round a deficit I believe won't carry over as 4th rounders carry no draft value next year. Sydney would be trading up but also grabbing an F3 next year imo

 

[Adnico26Parker]

I'm glad the media has mentioned Christian Moraes in their draft preview for the Swans.

From HSun/Code


Current Draft Picks: 19, 22, 44, 59

What do you add to a side who was the best all year before another grand final horror show? Sydney’s first two picks are in a strong range of the draft where some ready-made talent is on offer.

Jesse Dattoli and Cooper Hynes can slot in right away as forwards with the potential for midfield minutes in time – Dattoli silky skilled and Hynes possessing power and toughness. Tom Gross and Christian Moraes are also forward-midfielders and should be around that range of the draft, while WA medium forward Hamish Davis impressed at league level this season.

If the Swans are happy to be patient, either of the Whitlock twins – Matt a versatile swingman and Jack a mobile forward-ruck – can fill key position posts into the future.

Jonty Faull shapes as another promising tall forward in the 20s.

They have an athletic key defender from their academy in Joel Cochran, who showed his running power by taking out the 2km time trial at the draft combine. The 194cm prospect is likely to receive a bid in the back-half of the draft.

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[Kbroome]

I'm glad the media has mentioned Christian Moraes in their draft preview for the Swans.

From HSun/Code


Current Draft Picks: 19, 22, 44, 59

What do you add to a side who was the best all year before another grand final horror show? Sydney’s first two picks are in a strong range of the draft where some ready-made talent is on offer.

Jesse Dattoli and Cooper Hynes can slot in right away as forwards with the potential for midfield minutes in time – Dattoli silky skilled and Hynes possessing power and toughness. Tom Gross and Christian Moraes are also forward-midfielders and should be around that range of the draft, while WA medium forward Hamish Davis impressed at league level this season.

If the Swans are happy to be patient, either of the Whitlock twins – Matt a versatile swingman and Jack a mobile forward-ruck – can fill key position posts into the future.

Jonty Faull shapes as another promising tall forward in the 20s.

They have an athletic key defender from their academy in Joel Cochran, who showed his running power by taking out the 2km time trial at the draft combine. The 194cm prospect is likely to receive a bid in the back-half of the draft.

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Swans supporter as well just don't know if he will be the right selection given he feels more like a Campbell type and don't think Swans would be willing to give up on Campbell just yet.

 

[Membling]

I'm glad the media has mentioned Christian Moraes in their draft preview for the Swans.

From HSun/Code


Current Draft Picks: 19, 22, 44, 59

What do you add to a side who was the best all year before another grand final horror show? Sydney’s first two picks are in a strong range of the draft where some ready-made talent is on offer.

Jesse Dattoli and Cooper Hynes can slot in right away as forwards with the potential for midfield minutes in time – Dattoli silky skilled and Hynes possessing power and toughness. Tom Gross and Christian Moraes are also forward-midfielders and should be around that range of the draft, while WA medium forward Hamish Davis impressed at league level this season.

If the Swans are happy to be patient, either of the Whitlock twins – Matt a versatile swingman and Jack a mobile forward-ruck – can fill key position posts into the future.

Jonty Faull shapes as another promising tall forward in the 20s.

They have an athletic key defender from their academy in Joel Cochran, who showed his running power by taking out the 2km time trial at the draft combine. The 194cm prospect is likely to receive a bid in the back-half of the draft.

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Really like Moraes but not sure he is tbe type we need. Currently projecting as a HFF/Wing type at AFL level which is where I reckon he will end up.

If he develops some more muscle/power could be a Chad like player but that would be his absolute ceiling IMO. Reckon he ends up in the Isaac Smith ballpark if he continues his development.

 

[bedford]

Charlie McCartin we are keen , but might go before we can take him

 

[Kiama Chris]

I'm glad the media has mentioned Christian Moraes in their draft preview for the Swans.

From HSun/Code


Current Draft Picks: 19, 22, 44, 59

What do you add to a side who was the best all year before another grand final horror show? Sydney’s first two picks are in a strong range of the draft where some ready-made talent is on offer.

Jesse Dattoli and Cooper Hynes can slot in right away as forwards with the potential for midfield minutes in time – Dattoli silky skilled and Hynes possessing power and toughness. Tom Gross and Christian Moraes are also forward-midfielders and should be around that range of the draft, while WA medium forward Hamish Davis impressed at league level this season.

If the Swans are happy to be patient, either of the Whitlock twins – Matt a versatile swingman and Jack a mobile forward-ruck – can fill key position posts into the future.

Jonty Faull shapes as another promising tall forward in the 20s.

They have an athletic key defender from their academy in Joel Cochran, who showed his running power by taking out the 2km time trial at the draft combine. The 194cm prospect is likely to receive a bid in the back-half of the draft.

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Decent summary.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Parfitt would be a good DFA

Trust me no he wouldn’t. Another that’s a great VFL footballer

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Charlie McCartin we are keen , but might go before we can take him

Agree have heard exactly the same thing too. Been flying up boards lately

 

[ashep]

IF Mills can recapture his 2022 form and do a 75% facsimile of what Heeney did this year

IF that frees Heeney up to go forward and kick 40+ goals

IF McDonald, McLean and Amartey improve just 5%

IF Rampe only declines 5%

IF just 1 of Sheldrick, Cleary or Adams can come in and give us some grunt around the contest.

IF Gulden can elevate his poor games to just decent.

IF Campbell brings his late season form in the new season.

IF everyone else just does what they did last season.

THEN we will be top 4 and every chance of a flag.

There are a lot of IFs up there, but every one of them are achievable. I know that "improvement from within" is a bit of a joke when you flop during the trade period, but I think it's the case for us.

The catch cry has been that we were too soft in the middle - and we were - but in the absence of Cripps, Petracca and Rowell walking through the door, our best chance there is for marginal improvement, coupled with marginal improvement up forward. If our backline can just give us a similar year to this one, those marginal uplifts can put us over the top.