Rumour 2024 Hypothetical trade and FA Thread

[KermitJagger]

Speaking of strange stuff, what on earth happened to Will Phillips?

Outstanding player at the Chargers - alongside Rowell and Anderson if you don't mind - and now looking to be delisted by all accounts.

What on earth happened to this former Pick 3 with such a reportedly high ceiling?

I know he had Glandular Fever, but that should be well and truly behind him surely.

The concensus on the Norf board is that he is unmotivated, unfit and really hasn't had a fair shot under Clarkson - not getting a run of games.

That does sound a bit familiar - Clarkson and his favourites - but delisting the guy seems a bit extreme.

That's the word though.

Not suggesting we pick him up, but this seems a stratospheric fall from grace for a guy touted as a genuine star mid at one point.

Thoughts?

AFL drafts are tricky to get right at the best of times. There are so many players who rise and fall based on the final year of U18s. It's the year where players who might have been out of position to facilitate the previous year's draftees move back into their preferred roles, it's the year where a lot of kids show massive amounts of physical development and the others that developed earlier fall back to the pack. Even with the benefit of that last U18 year there are picks which don't turn out right.

Will is a combination of a kid who was very well developed for his age, despite not being super tall, and a kid who missed pretty much that entire final year of U18s due to the pandemic, and in an overall weak draft.

You'd take him for next to nothing but I don't think there's some vast pool of unearthed potential there.

 

[butlers hawks]

Speaking of strange stuff, what on earth happened to Will Phillips?

Outstanding player at the Chargers - alongside Rowell and Anderson if you don't mind - and now looking to be delisted by all accounts.

What on earth happened to this former Pick 3 with such a reportedly high ceiling?

I know he had Glandular Fever, but that should be well and truly behind him surely.

The concensus on the Norf board is that he is unmotivated, unfit and really hasn't had a fair shot under Clarkson - not getting a run of games.

That does sound a bit familiar - Clarkson and his favourites - but delisting the guy seems a bit extreme.

That's the word though.

Not suggesting we pick him up, but this seems a stratospheric fall from grace for a guy touted as a genuine star mid at one point.

Thoughts?

got drafted to North who havent really been able to develop guys. The currant guys like Sheezel and Wardlaw look good but they have had a lot of those guys over the years that just become good role players. They also made the wrong pick, should of taken Logan McDonald

 

[moginie]

He’s behind a few IN THIS MOMENT, just like Finn, Watson and others.
There is no need for pragmatism as you call it, because there is no issue.

We are in the mode of collecting talent and adding to the list to build depth, because depth wins flags.

Exactly. And all we have to do is look back 10 years where our squad depth literally gave us the opportunity to win the flag.

 

[tl92]

He's played less than 50 games of AFL/VFL football, let's just let him improve his craft.

If he's still playing VFL in 2026, then this conversation becomes more valid. If we want to win premierships we need a deep midfield. If he's playing VFL, it's a positive sign for how strong our midfield is becoming. I see this as a positive.

The club knows his value and the potential player he can become.

If he’s still playing VFL in 2026 his value will be zero though. It really comes down to whether we think the player that we can get at our first pick will be better than Ward. If yes, then you’d think about trading ward for baz. If no, then you trade our first for baz.

The idea from some that we can’t afford to lose talent is silly. Because we are going to have to trade something for baz, either existing talent or potential talent from high draft picks.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

People forget Shiels Hodge Sewell Lewis Hill Burgoyne Smith Rioli Mitchell and even a young Punky all played in our GF winning side to start our 3 peat and all at some stage could run through the middle for patches.

Anyone worrying that Ward may not break in or be given a chance in the middle need to relax.

The difference in the threepeat team is only Sewell was a centre-square mid only (maybe Mitchell and Shiels).

Hodge, Hill, Burgoyne, Smith, Rioli and Breust were all 1st team selections (actually AA level!) outside the midfield.

 

[butlers hawks]

So if it goes their way and Battle and Smith nominate and then head over how many Hawk supporting kids would be on the list? Feels like a lot these days

 

[kazzooka]

People forget Shiels Hodge Sewell Lewis Hill Burgoyne Smith Rioli Mitchell and even a young Punky all played in our GF winning side to start our 3 peat and all at some stage could run through the middle for patches.

Anyone worrying that Ward may not break in or be given a chance in the middle need to relax.

I'd say of that list only Shiels, Sewell, Lewis and Mitch were centre square mids during 3 peat. Hodge and Burgoyne mostly half back, Rioli and bruest forwards, and Hill and Smith were specialist wingman.

Lewis would also occasionally go on the wing. And Sewell was pushed out by 2014 by langford.

Bruest, Rioli, Hodge, Burgoyne, Roughhead occasionally took a centre bounce but mostly just went back to their positions after it or spent only small patches.

The suggestion with Ward is he needs to either be a winger or inside mid to get a regular game. Currently as specialist wing we have CJ and Dambrosio and Morrison in 2's. Weddle a chance for that position.

As an inside Mid he's behind Newcombe, Day, Nash, Worpel. Macdonald and Mckenzie are in the side but not getting a lot of mid minutes.

 

[mustang]

Speaking of strange stuff, what on earth happened to Will Phillips?

Outstanding player at the Chargers - alongside Rowell and Anderson if you don't mind - and now looking to be delisted by all accounts.

What on earth happened to this former Pick 3 with such a reportedly high ceiling?

I know he had Glandular Fever, but that should be well and truly behind him surely.

The concensus on the Norf board is that he is unmotivated, unfit and really hasn't had a fair shot under Clarkson - not getting a run of games.

That does sound a bit familiar - Clarkson and his favourites - but delisting the guy seems a bit extreme.

That's the word though.

Not suggesting we pick him up, but this seems a stratospheric fall from grace for a guy touted as a genuine star mid at one point.

Thoughts?

Id trade for him you never now we may get him cheap.

I’m sure Geelong or Swans will be all over him.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Speaking of strange stuff, what on earth happened to Will Phillips?

Outstanding player at the Chargers - alongside Rowell and Anderson if you don't mind - and now looking to be delisted by all accounts.

What on earth happened to this former Pick 3 with such a reportedly high ceiling?

I know he had Glandular Fever, but that should be well and truly behind him surely.

The concensus on the Norf board is that he is unmotivated, unfit and really hasn't had a fair shot under Clarkson - not getting a run of games.

That does sound a bit familiar - Clarkson and his favourites - but delisting the guy seems a bit extreme.

That's the word though.

Not suggesting we pick him up, but this seems a stratospheric fall from grace for a guy touted as a genuine star mid at one point.

Thoughts?

Western Bulldogs I reckon. Been a few murmers.

They'll lose Libba soon enough. Macrae has slowed down. Baz likely gone too.

 

[Flag08]

I had a bad feeling Geelong would be right into Nash as a FA but glad the talks are happening. Good to get them locked in so we can move onto adding to what we have got.

His manager would never let that happen.

 

[daniel23]

Perryman is a gun you make it happen. He is the gws version of Blake hardwick

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Blake Hardwick

Age

27

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

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D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.8

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.1

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.7

4star

MG

264.7

4star

D

13.8

3star

K

9.8

4star

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4.0

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.7

3star

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264.7

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

4star

, rated so highly internally and with you own fanbase . But doesn't get the acknowledgement he should outside of that.

 

[HolyRioli]

GWS's list management model has been to retain their top half-dozen or so players at just about any cost - see Coniglio, Whitfield, Taylor, Greene, Kelly etc - and to then pad the list around these pillars. Cameron is really the only one who they weren't able to convince to stay with a blank cheque.

I don't think they'll kick up too much of a fuss about Perryman leaving. They'll consider him replaceable.

As for Perryman himself, he is very much a utility player. I've watched him semi-closely over the years from a fantasy prospect perspective, and he's been played as a half-back, wing, tagger, and a few times as a ball-winning midfielder, and is / was comfortably AFL standard in all of those roles IMO. I'd suggest that Mitch would love that kind of versatility.

 

[Mojo]

He's a UFA. There's nothing they can do.

St Kilda:

 

[butlers hawks]

Anyone posted the updates on Herald Sun about the free agents that was posted this morning?

Few interesting and some laughable points:

Blake Hardwick (Hawthorn) – The swingman should stay on a long-term deal but nothing has been agreed to as yet.

Harry Perryman (GWS) – Has become a belle of the free agency ball this year with South Australian sides keen on the defender-midfielder. Could the offers stretch beyond $4 million? No serious traction yet on him sticking around.

Josh Battle (St Kilda) – There is a lot of salary cap space to fill at Hawthorn and North Melbourne and a desperate need for tall defenders. Could Collingwood come knocking as a Nathan Murphy

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Nathan Murphy

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24

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192cm

Wt

90kg

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11.5

3star

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6.5

3star

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5.0

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2.5

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1.5

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176.5

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11.5

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6.5

3star

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5.0

4star

M

2.5

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1.5

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176.5

3star

replacement? As an unrestricted free agent defender at the age of 25, Battle is right in the sweet spot for a big offer.

Conor Nash (Hawthorn) – The big-bodied midfielder says he wants to stay with the Hawks but would be silly not to look at offers.

Bailey Smith (Western Bulldogs) – The Dogs conceded recently they would like to have some indication of Smith’s plans early this year. All signs point to him leaving.


For those interested, Hawthorn not mentioned with Perryman at all in article and there is absolutely no reason given as to why Conor Nash

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Conor Nash

Age

25

Ht

198cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Mid

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Last 5

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8.7

2star

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3.9

2star

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4.8

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2.0

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3.1

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0.3

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4.2

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4.2

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2.4

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4.0

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0.2

2star

would "be silly not to look at offers" so just going to assume its because its the Herald Sun or as most of us know it Essendon Propaganda

 

[Mojo]

GWS's list management model has been to retain their top half-dozen or so players at just about any cost - see Coniglio, Whitfield, Taylor, Greene, Kelly etc - and to then pad the list around these pillars. Cameron is really the only one who they weren't able to convince to stay with a blank cheque.

I don't think they'll kick up too much of a fuss about Perryman leaving. They'll consider him replaceable.

As for Perryman himself, he is very much a utility player. I've watched him semi-closely over the years from a fantasy prospect perspective, and he's been played as a half-back, wing, tagger, and a few times as a ball-winning midfielder, and is / was comfortably AFL standard in all of those roles IMO. I'd suggest that Mitch would love that kind of versatility.

GWS are your stupidly-rich friend - they were given the best of the best; the best education, the best toys, the best access to Centrelink..

It's almost negligible if you don't steal something from their house when you go to visit. ...'as if they're going to miss one of their 83" 4K Smart TV's. They literally have one in every room of the house'.

 

[perrdan86]

AFL drafts are tricky to get right at the best of times. There are so many players who rise and fall based on the final year of U18s. It's the year where players who might have been out of position to facilitate the previous year's draftees move back into their preferred roles, it's the year where a lot of kids show massive amounts of physical development and the others that developed earlier fall back to the pack. Even with the benefit of that last U18 year there are picks which don't turn out right.

Will is a combination of a kid who was very well developed for his age, despite not being super tall, and a kid who missed pretty much that entire final year of U18s due to the pandemic, and in an overall weak draft.

You'd take him for next to nothing but I don't think there's some vast pool of unearthed potential there.

Ive watched him play for North a few times... i dont think he's that bad.. here is something to work with. I think North for a long time have had player development issues.

I'd consider him if he was looking for a chance of scenery and the price was low.

 

[matey]

Need to think twice about Perryman there was even a song written about him and it sounded like this “Don't pay the Perryman, Don't even fix a price, Don't pay the Perryman ….. Until he gets you to the other side"!

 

[Howe Amazing]

Keeping Nash is important where ruck is going having him to chop out Meek gives so much flexibility

 

[H00t]

Speaking of strange stuff, what on earth happened to Will Phillips?

Outstanding player at the Chargers - alongside Rowell and Anderson if you don't mind - and now looking to be delisted by all accounts.

What on earth happened to this former Pick 3 with such a reportedly high ceiling?

I know he had Glandular Fever, but that should be well and truly behind him surely.

The concensus on the Norf board is that he is unmotivated, unfit and really hasn't had a fair shot under Clarkson - not getting a run of games.

That does sound a bit familiar - Clarkson and his favourites - but delisting the guy seems a bit extreme.

That's the word though.

Not suggesting we pick him up, but this seems a stratospheric fall from grace for a guy touted as a genuine star mid at one point.

Thoughts?

North happened. They have an ability to improve any players they have.

They get a bit fitter and stronger once they are in the system. After that though they pretty much remain the same.

Has limited Phillips more than other north players as he didn’t come in with as many tricks as others. Other teams would have helped him develop some north haven’t.

Would be worth a punt for very little. I’m not sure how he’d get game time with us though given how many players he would be behind.

 

[kazzooka]

Just following up on this, the benefit of having so much cap space, as we do over the next couple of years, is that we can pay him more initially so it doesn’t kill us down the line.

If we signed him for 6 years averaging $800k, totals around $4.8m. We would likely knock half off in the first 2 years.

We then have a very good player in his peak on an average salary for 4 years while we’re competing to win flags.

Getting Perryman and/or Battle on $800k each will not stop us from signing other players in any way, I have no idea why anyone would be against signing immediate improvements to our team for nothing.

Option 1
Perryman for 800k as FA
Keep all picks/players

Option 2
Perryman/Battle equivalent for 650k as trade.
Lose draft picks/players

You do option 1 everyday as it is WILL make you a better side. Option 2 say for Bailey Smith even is not a sure thing as the other club is expecting to get equal value back in return.

 

[SSSSSS]

You don't get rid of Ward for what he is now.

You keep him for what he is going to become.

Would be madness to trade him for anything less than a top 10 pick and even then I'd baulk.

 

[Howe Amazing]

Clubs will come for Ward and Hustwaite it depends if they want to have a look elsewhere. Depth is so important though obviously.

 

[OnWardnUpWard]

I agree with you, but are we doing the right thing by the lad? If we get Baz it only compounds the situation. Let alone Phillips (just saying).
The Ward situation is a big List Management issue.

I think everyone agrees the biggest issue with trading Ward is what I then do with my username.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I've heard that too.

Tricky trade to value with all the baggage he carries. Could MFC get a first and future first?

Impossible to evaluate at this point in time. Imagine the coverage if he does request a trade.

 

[Brant]

Impossible to evaluate at this point in time. Imagine the coverage if he does request a trade.

How bad would things have to get at Melbourne that even Oliver wants out