List Mgmt. 2024 List Management Part 2 📃

[4flagsin5yrs]

Aleer is still contracted and would have about 10 suitors. He isn’t going cheap

Most players are 'dealt' the year before their contract runs out....

Not a required player, not many runs on the board....depends too if he wants to play with us!!

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Most players are 'dealt' the year before their contract runs out....

Not a required player, not many runs on the board....depends too if he wants to play with us!!

He is contracted so GWS only deal him if they are getting overs otherwise they just take a second next season if he doesn’t come on.
Look at Hopper for example, GWS rarely get walked over and Aleer would be getting interest from everywhere.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Where a young player is completely disaffected (and don't know if this is the case here), deals get done....

Yes they do get done.. but the Crows won't get short changed for a guy contracted for 5 more years. It would be a top 10 pick or there's no incentive for them to trade.. the thought of us getting him for a second rounder is delusional to be quite frank. It's not like he's home sick or has personal reasons to request the trade that the club feels obliged to facilitate. They hold him for at least another year rather than get destroyed in a trade. And let's be real, if we were in the same situation we'd all be saying two top 10 picks or a top 10 and some extras for a guy tracking nicely and contracted. Some people here even think Jack Martin is worth a pick in the 20's. Rachele won't happen. You can say I told you so if it does but it won't.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Aleer is still contracted and would have about 10 suitors. He isn’t going cheap

He'd be cheaper than Rachele. One is playing senior footy and the other is not. He's 4th in line behind Taylor, Buckley and Idun. Only one year left on his contract and they get more for him now than if he doesn't play much next year and ends up out of contract. Also, GWS are quite reasonable at moving players on when they're not in the best 22. And also define your definition of cheap.. I said he's gettable, not that we'd get him for peanuts. Late first round pick is about right. 12-20ish kind of range. Which you could argue is slight overs given he's not getting games but would be fair to shake him loose. The amount of suitors matters little once he nominates a team.. they deal solely with that team.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Yes they do get done.. but the Crows won't get short changed for a guy contracted for 5 more years. It would be a top 10 pick or there's no incentive for them to trade.. the thought of us getting him for a second rounder is delusional to be quite frank. It's not like he's home sick or has personal reasons to request the trade that the club feels obliged to facilitate. They hold him for at least another year rather than get destroyed in a trade. And let's be real, if we were in the same situation we'd all be saying two top 10 picks or a top 10 and some extras for a guy tracking nicely and contracted. Some people here even think Jack Martin is worth a pick in the 20's. Rachele won't happen. You can say I told you so if it does but it won't.

i'm not even a fan of the kid frankly....

He's got some issues it appears and looks like Nicks ain't helping much (all that's just my entirely uninformed opinion by the way)!

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

He'd be cheaper than Rachele. One is playing senior footy and the other is not. He's 4th in line behind Taylor, Buckley and Idun. Only one year left on his contract and they get more for him now than if he doesn't play much next year and ends up out of contract. Also, GWS are quite reasonable at moving players on when they're not in the best 22. And also define your definition of cheap.. I said he's gettable, not that we'd get him for peanuts. Late first round pick is about right. 12-20ish kind of range. Which you could argue is slight overs given he's not getting games but would be fair to shake him loose. The amount of suitors matters little once he nominates a team.. they deal solely with that team.

I agree I think if you give a pick inside maybe 15 they might bite but I think more likely ~10. Outside of that it is completely pointless for them, they are contending and if they do get injuries having him come in is a huge advantage. KD’s are in huge demand and he would have to be one of the more exciting ones available next season so I still think they will get a decent pick.

 

[reubsblues]

We need to be very pacific in who we get to the club next yr Rachele and Aleer are that

 

[Stamos]

We need to be very pacific in who we get to the club next yr Rachele and Aleer are that

Would have thought Aleer would be more Atlantic/Indian? And Rachele is Mediterranean certainly.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Personally, i'd keep Martin....if our homework says his war wounds are fixable.... reckon AR might have pushed a few too hard/far....just my supposition though.

I get the argument to keep Martin but we are seeing our window for contending getting smaller as we rely on guys like Martin. He just doesn’t play. Ditto Cunners and Marchbank. Enough is enough. If they get another chance and by some miracle play consistently good AFl football good luck to them. I’m not holding my breath.
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Would love to know Martin's take on his injuries...

My uneducated guess is his repeated injuries are as much his fault as the clubs but it would be interesting to hear from anyone who knew from both the player and the club their take on this.

Does Akuei deserve retention? Ditto Markov?

I think they are worth persevering with. If we get rid of all our injury prone, never available players then there’s more scope to be patient with these speculative types, the whole point of the cat b rookie concept.

Would readily trade Pitto, but keep Owies - he's durable and does a job.

I think Adelaide or Geelong would be prepared to take Pitto. Also rucks have irrational trade value so I wouldn’t rule it out.

I would only move Owies out if we can get Rachele.

C. Durdin and Mots - who knows....

Next season is a very important year for both. At least being under contract if they want to leave or a club wants them at the end of this year then we should be able to get some sort of value back for them.

Reckon Cerra can be every bit the 'star' that Petracca is, even if not as explosive...

I like Cerra but his talent ceiling is nowhere near Petracca who is a superstar. IMO at his best he is borderline All Australian which is still pretty amazing. His injuries though are very concerning.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Cerra and our 2nd for 7... Who says no?

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Cerra and our 2nd for 7... Who says no?
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No

 

[Blueyourmyboy!!]

Who does he play like?

Caleb serong but with pace

 

[Blueyourmyboy!!]

I think Draper is decent but not worth moving up for.

He's ready to go so I think it's worth the punt.
Kids got pace + damage and can find it. The kind of player our slow ass midfield needs.

 

[Lukeblueboy]

Is Ben Hobbs someone we’d look at?
Plays mid/forward and seems to have fallen out of favour a little with the bombers

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Is Ben Hobbs someone we’d look at?
Plays mid/forward and seems to have fallen out of favour a little with the bombers

Slow, short, inside mid with ordinary foot skills. Hopefully not.

Maybe as depth at best but why would he come here to be behind 4-5 others?

 

[branedotorg]

Is Ben Hobbs someone we’d look at?
Plays mid/forward and seems to have fallen out of favour a little with the bombers

If we are looking at a one paced mid surplus to 'young' midfield I'd rather look at Powell at north but again, not sure why he'd come and be fifth banana, or why we wouldn't look for a point of difference rather than more of what we've got.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Cerra and our 2nd for 7... Who says no?
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We are trying to win a premiership.

Trading out a best 22 player in his mid twenties for a draft pick upgrade is the wrong idea

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[HereComesJuddy]

We are trying to win a premiership.

Trading out a best 22 player in his mid twenties for a draft pick upgrade is the wrong idea

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Not always. We have Lord that has just debuted and looks the good imo.

I’m not saying we trade Cerra, but a midfield of Cripps, Walsh, Docherty, Hewett, Kennedy, Lord, Carroll and maybe a draft pick or 2 is pretty damn good.

 

[no fate]

What about Cerra and our first round pick (#10/11) for Petracca?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We are trying to win a premiership.

Trading out a best 22 player in his mid twenties for a draft pick upgrade is the wrong idea

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One of our inside mids either plays as the sub, plays in a different position or doesn't play at all when we're at full health due to too much likeness in our midfield mix.

Bringing in a player who falls outside that group and will play whether we're fully healthy or not, be it via trading the pick or using it at the draft is a potential solution and upgrade to the overall list on what we have despite Cerra obviously being a better player than whoever we'd be bringing in.

Not saying we should do it, just throwing it up as a hypothetical given talk earlier in the thread about the Dees being keen on Cerra and us having a midfield conundrum with all our inside mids.

 

[ihavetradethoughts]

A few players I've been thinking about (without so much as a cursory glance at their contract status)

Caleb Daniel

5

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

: what's the deal? Seems to be on the outer at the Dogs. Wouldn't mind him on a forward or defensive flank to release others (thinking saad, durdin etc) into the middle.

Matthew Taberner

20

Matthew Taberner

Age

31

Ht

198cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.4

1star

G

1.5

5star

D

13.0

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

: proven goal kicker - behind others at freo, but can definitely play a role as a 3rd tall if he can stay on the park.

 

[Alice]

It’s been mentioned once or twice but I like the look of Borlase
Delisted and then rookied by Adelaide
Athletic Good skills
Not sure he isn’t bigger than listed 192

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It’s been mentioned once or twice but I like the look of Borlase
Delisted and then rookied by Adelaide
Athletic Good skills
Not sure he isn’t bigger than listed 192

I quite like him too. Definitely seems closer to 195cm when he plays, solid lockdown KPP.

 

[Coona Blues]

J

It’s been mentioned once or twice but I like the look of Borlase
Delisted and then rookied by Adelaide
Athletic Good skills
Not sure he isn’t bigger than listed 192

Depth player, not a front liner. One who could replace Nigel on the rookie list…

 

[jpfalvo]

What about Cerra and our first round pick (#10/11) for Petracca?

I am in favour of trading Cerra.

However, i am not in favour of selling the farm for Petracca, particularly after his injury. I think people are underestimating the scale and trauma associated with this

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