List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[simmo97]

Surely we are all starting to believe Luko goes to Port? Dixon gone, Marshall massive question marks re concussion

And here we are trying to squeeze him in on a wing

Port will be throwing the kitchen sink to get him surely


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i think we want him as that 3 tall forward with the view that 2025 will most likely be Tex last year.

 

[1970crow]

Reidy's got it ass about there!!

Sorry I just don't get it with Borlase, IMO at best he's AFL depth at any club in the AFL and should be on a strictly year to year basis if retained at all.

Again, it's not just Reid. List management is a group decision, Roo, Kelly, Reid and Nicks make these decisions collaboratively.

 

[1970crow]

Waynus comparing how Geelong bring in young players compared to us.

Ummm, perhaps he doesn't realise Geelong make the prelims every year whilst we are a basket case.

Anyone but a troll would understand its harder to break into a consistent top 4 side rather than a bottom 4 side.

But we would "hit the roof if Adelaide did the same thing as Geelong".

FMD, why can't we ignore this tripe.

People call him a troll, but that's giving him far too much respect. He's just clueless about football and that's combined with off the charts arrogance with a decent sized helping of delusion. The classic is tyat post where he reckons his wife is the problem in the car when she's screaming in fear of her safety. And he posted that to make a point in his own favour. We're not dealing with someone who's the full quid here.

 

[Mutineer]

Would it be crazy to speak to teams lacking KPD like the Bulldogs and suggest that Butts might be a good fit?

Well they like all clubs don't see Borlase as the answer given he's been available multiple times and there was no stopping anyone from doing a Greenwood when he was in limbo last time. IMO Butts is the most effective of all our KPD's on the big gorilla forwards.

 

[1970crow]

how to get a contract at adelaide
1. hold shape
2. listen in team meetings and nod
3. dont rock the boat
4. bring the coach a latte
5. throw your body around onfield

bond one year no problem but borlase this is too much

Whilst looking for Burgess' last contract extension on footywire I came across Reid's quote on him saying he's versatile as can play forward or back. If he's still on our list, surely he can cover for Borlase.

 

[1970crow]

Can someone point to when Borlase let us down or even had 9 goals scored on him in total?
Hes no gun but fine as a backup.

But he's a backup to our backup. Zero point locking in a player like him for 2 years when there's still numerous players in our current best 23 that need to be improved upon. We're better off churning rookies through those list spots hoping to unearth the next CC. He's not the only one, but he was the only one unsigned late into this year. Even just a one year deal like we gave Bond would have been better.

 

[1970crow]

So the list spots are once again going to be very tight and possibly make it difficult to get players in.

It's going to be a very disappointing off season isn't it.
We are going to go:
IN
Pick 4 or Luko (we are absolutely stupid enough to make that trade)
ANB
Welsh

and that's it.

God I hate Reid. God I hate Roo. God I hate the shitshow at this club.

Yes I'm going full Lindy very early.

Borlase was pretty close to our best player when Hawthorn destroyed us at the G.

If we were amenable to using 4 at this moment, I'd imagine Luko would have declared his suitor and we'd quibble over what's returning during trade week. I'm not saying we won't end up buckling, I definitely think we'll blow F1, but for now it looks like 4 isn't on the table.

 

[1970crow]

he is the list management team

He is one of 4 key voters on the list management team.

 

[FR0GGY]

But he's a backup to our backup. Zero point locking in a player like him for 2 years when there's still numerous players in our current best 23 that need to be improved upon. We're better off churning rookies through those list spots hoping to unearth the next CC. He's not the only one, but he was the only one unsigned late into this year. Even just a one year deal like we gave Bond would have been better.

The 2 year bit is strange for sure.
But he’s hardly a backup to a backup.
He played 9 games including a game with, Butts, Keane and Murray.

 

[Crow till I die]

If we were amenable to using 4 at this moment, I'd imagine Luko would have declared his suitor and we'd quibble over what's returning during trade week. I'm not saying we won't end up buckling, I definitely think we'll blow F1, but for now it looks like 4 isn't on the table.

If it was (pick 4), GC would have bitten off our arm for it

 

[1970crow]

Who else do you blame for the state of the list than the list manager?

The List Management Committee. The 4-5 people that meet regularly to make decisions on player contracts, acquisitions, pick trades, extensions and delistings and then set JR on the path to make it happen. He is absolutely 1 of the 4-5 involved in making the decisi9n itself, but he most certainly doesn't have unilateral power.

 

[1970crow]

I remember at the time of Burgess signing to the Crows, it was two years ....isn't 2 years the standard main list Contract minimum ?

No, the only mandated contract lengths are for draftees.

 

[ABAB]

I think he is bundling laird and crouch as the same which isnt fair.
I would be shocked if laird can have impact on the ball again. I agree so much on the borlase bond bit though.

they need him more yes

but they cant get the deal done unless one of their A graders leaves

If they give a 1st rounder for Lukosius and take on a majority of his lucrative remaining contract then it will as worst as us giving pick 25 for a 29 year old ANB.

 

[1970crow]

There's no set minimum when trading for players... but few players would transplant themselves to a different state without the security of a 2-year (minimum) contract.

He was returning home though.

 

[1970crow]

Another club might take a punt on Schoenberg but probably not

I'd suggest the player with the least value is probably Murphy, a dime a dozen forward that every side has one of (usually better). But he wouldn't be paid out due to his extremely high standing at the club.

Brodie Smith another good candidate, would have no interest as a 33 year old

But those are ruthless list decisions that we wouldn't make

To be honest, they're not even really all that ruthless. Smith delisting should have been the easiest list management call this year. All we needed to do was tell him what was going to happen and he could either retire or seek a trade. He only went public about playing on very late in the year, so we had plenty of time to sort this out. Murphy no real difference, tell him his AFL career is over with us and seek a trade, would be a risk that he doesn't get anywhere, but if we pay his contract, surely someone will park him on their list for a year.

 

[1970crow]

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His manager sure fleeced us lol.

How has he not been frontloaded? Criminal list management.

 

[Crow till I die]

The 2 year bit is strange for sure.
But he’s hardly a backup to a backup.
He played 9 games including a game with, Butts, Keane and Murray.

Maybe they have seen the improvement in his game and are keen to see him develop further?

 

[1970crow]

Those are just what a journalist/journalists think, there's no way they have every payers salary available to them. They're simply spitballing.

Pretty sure the AFL provide number of players in salary bands per club. They guess who the player is, but not the number in each range.

 

[1970crow]

We think we have all the elite young talent we need and just need to top up with some more experience.
I strongly disagree.

There is no doubt that we believe the build is finished. Which if designed to compete for a spot in the 6-10 range, it probably is. We've done exactly what I feared we would do.

 

[1970crow]

The 2 year bit is strange for sure.
But he’s hardly a backup to a backup.
He played 9 games including a game with, Butts, Keane and Murray.

He shouldn't have played a game with those 3 though. Was that the game he got moved forward for a half?

Our backline should be

Bond. Butts/Keane. Worrell
Hinge. Murray. Nank.
Bench - Jones, Curtin, Ryan, Milera

Next in for a tall is whichever of Butts/Keane isn't picked and then there's Borlase. How many teams play 3 slow, cumbersome style KPFs? I'd argue 2 195cm players is enough, it's easier to spoil than it is to mark and reality is that it's rarely contested marks in the F50 that are the difference, it's the uncontested and running goals that cause the most grief.

 

[rabidcrow]

There is no doubt that we believe the build is finished. Which if designed to compete for a spot in the 6-10 range, it probably is. We've done exactly what I feared we would do.

If we nail pick 4 this year there is no reason why we won’t be good enough to contend. Unfortunately with how our build is done we have 3-4 players 30 and over who have been b Greta players but are all falling away. 4-5 between 26-29 of which only a couple are quality and then we are pretty much 23 and under. Our list balance is totally out of whack. Hawks have around a dozen in that 25-29 space that are all good contributors
So it’s going to take time for our 20-22 yr olds to get the list back in shape


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[FR0GGY]

He shouldn't have played a game with those 3 though. Was that the game he got moved forward for a half?

Our backline should be

Bond. Butts/Keane. Worrell
Hinge. Murray. Nank.
Bench - Jones, Curtin, Ryan, Milera

Next in for a tall is whichever of Butts/Keane isn't picked and then there's Borlase. How many teams play 3 slow, cumbersome style KPFs? I'd argue 2 195cm players is enough, it's easier to spoil than it is to mark and reality is that it's rarely contested marks in the F50 that are the difference, it's the uncontested and running goals that cause the most grief.

Selection is a different issue, but given butts is regularly injured, Murray is coming off a serious knee (and injured it again) and Keane could be a chocolate or a boiled lolly very easily, I don’t see it as a big risk at all.

 

[1970crow]

If it was (pick 4), GC would have bitten off our arm for it

Gut feel is that Suns aren't negotiating based on having to quit him. They're valuing him as a contracted past pick 2 that has barely missed a game, has distinctive positive attribute, is in his prime and has many years ahead of him. I know he was recently dropped, but that's about lacking value in their system, not lack of value in the overall market.

 

[Crow till I die]

He shouldn't have played a game with those 3 though. Was that the game he got moved forward for a half?

Our backline should be

Bond. Butts/Keane. Worrell
Hinge. Murray. Nank.
Bench - Jones, Curtin, Ryan, Milera

Next in for a tall is whichever of Butts/Keane isn't picked and then there's Borlase. How many teams play 3 slow, cumbersome style KPFs? I'd argue 2 195cm players is enough, it's easier to spoil than it is to mark and reality is that it's rarely contested marks in the F50 that are the difference, it's the uncontested and running goals that cause the most grief.

Where is Max?

 

[Crow till I die]

If we nail pick 4 this year there is no reason why we won’t be good enough to contend. Unfortunately with how our build is done we have 3-4 players 30 and over who have been b Greta players but are all falling away. 4-5 between 26-29 of which only a couple are quality and then we are pretty much 23 and under. Our list balance is totally out of whack. Hawks have around a dozen in that 25-29 space that are all good contributors
So it’s going to take time for our 20-22 yr olds to get the list back in shape


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