List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Kane McGoodwin]

We have got a HEAP of dead wood coming out of contract in 2025.

Don't worry, AFC has a habit of keeping the deadwood around...

 

[1990crow]

It’s a top 6 pick for sure

If we could get ANB, Cumming, Lukosius, Pick 4 and full years from Murray and Thilthorpe I'd be surprised if we aren't at least on the edge of finals.

 

[CrowHop]

We have delisted a contracted player in the past - but it was a very long time ago. Thomas Lee was delisted after only 1 year on the list... but that was 15 years ago.

I'd say there's a high probability that Burgess will be delisted. His salary wouldn't be big enough to cause us TPP problems, and all indications are that we won't have enough list positions available if he doesn't go. Right now, his future is hanging in the balance, depending on how many trades & free agents the club is able to land.

Maybe Alan Obst too?


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[George Kramer]

If we could get ANB, Cumming, Lukosius, Pick 4 and full years from Murray and Thilthorpe I'd be surprised if we aren't at least on the edge of finals.

Big ifs there and I’m not confident of Cummings and Luko

 

[Mutineer]

I can't understand so much criticism re Borlase. If you watched his earliest SANFL games you would see his improvement trajectory has been enormous. I dunno if he was late to footy given he lived overseas but he was bad at the start. He's now got to the point of being a serviceable back up now, despite having had his slow, short, unagile body all this time. This suggests he works bloody hard and is bloody coachable. Rutten was slow but went alright. Like Rutten, Borlase uses his brain and game knowledge to do his best to compensate for his speed. He's good already but he can get a bit better in that dept yet. If the guy even goes close to improving in the next two years even 20% of what he's done the last two years he'll be our best defender. We're a young inexperienced team, at some point you've gotta hold on to some guys you've got games into for a bit who knows the game plan and can come in and you have a fair idea what you'll get and this is one of those times. Two years isn't long and by then we'll have a better idea where Turray and Curtin are at as well. It seems a good call to me. I'm still calling it that he'll improve nicely in the next two years and push the others to perform.

You may not know but I can inform you Borlase was born in Cairo Egypt and spent a whole 3 months there before Daryl moved the family to Melbourne for several years before relocating back to Adelaide, played junior footy from the get go for the Unley Jets, Prince Alfred and then Sturt U16's through to U18's and in his draft year he played U18's and reserves before playing 2 League games for Sturt. He's been in the SA elite pathway from the get go.

 

[1990crow]

Big ifs there and I’m not confident of Cummings and Luko

You may be right but get those 4 and our depth increases significantly which was a big problem this season.

 

[Mutineer]

It's even simpler, he's currently almost as good as our other defenders and will get plenty better.

Surely you jest. He's been available multi times and had zero interest, 1 year at the very best should be all he got.

 

[jackster83]

Big ifs there and I’m not confident of Cummings and Luko

If we have to choose one, I'm taking Cumming.

Don't want to part with our F1 pick.

 

[El Doederino]

You may not know but I can inform you Borlase was born in Cairo Egypt and spent a whole 3 months there before Daryl moved the family to Melbourne for several years before relocating back to Adelaide, played junior footy from the get go for the Unley Jets, Prince Alfred and then Sturt U16's through to U18's and in his draft year he played U18's and reserves before playing 2 League games for Sturt. He's been in the SA elite pathway from the get go.

Also won the b&f for PAC in his senior year, ahead of our first-round midfield selection Luke Pedlar.

 

[crow2crow]

If we have to choose one, I'm taking Cumming.

Don't want to part with our F1 pick.

See I'd be trying to package up Luko and Moyle and Rosas. Even if it means F1 and ROB back to GC.

 

[George Kramer]

You may be right but get those 4 and our depth increases significantly which was a big problem this season.

Doesn’t solve Nicks being a ****wit

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

See I'd be trying to package up Luko and Moyle and Rosas. Even if it means F1 and ROB back to GC.

Moyle just re-signed, so no chance.

 

[Vader]

Maybe Alan Obst too?

Possibly, but again - it's a very long time ago! It certainly hasn't happened under the current list management regime.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Doesn’t solve Nicks being a ****wit

We seemed to survive him in 2023, somewhat

But with how terrible a lot of his decisions were this season it’s very hard to trust him right now, yeah

 

[George Kramer]

We seemed to survive him in 2023, somewhat

But with how terrible a lot of his decisions were this season it’s very hard to trust him right now, yeah

There were clear **** ups last year as well which impacted us on making the 8.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

its very simple

he coughs up goals he shouldn't

he provides zero attack

he is slow and cannot turn

he fumbles and puts others under pressure

yes he can mark but thats it

Alex that’s a very harsh critique - he isn’t that bad and in fact has shown a bit when played - he hardly coughs up goals, give me two examples of when his opponent has kicked a bag…

 

[BRL121]

Alex that’s a very harsh critique - he isn’t that bad and in fact has shown a bit when played - he hardly coughs up goals, give me two examples of when his opponent has kicked a bag…

Yes, he's fine. He is bad in two situations: defending a leading forward (and who isn't?), and kicking for goal (which can be improved). In the SANFL games I have seen, he looks best roaming around the ground, especially as a follower. In fact, I don't see him as just a key back, more of a true utility.

 

[Danger in Texas]

There were clear **** ups last year as well which impacted us on making the 8.

Yes, but we did generally perform better week-to-week

No losses to bloody Richmond, for instance

 

[BRL121]

Yes, but we did generally perform better week-to-week

No losses to bloody Richmond, for instance

What?

 

[Danger in Texas]

What?

Okay, we lost last year to Richmond when they weren’t garbage

 

[Mutineer]

Yes, he's fine. He is bad in two situations: defending a leading forward (and who isn't?), and kicking for goal (which can be improved). In the SANFL games I have seen, he looks best roaming around the ground, especially as a follower. In fact, I don't see him as just a key back, more of a true utility.

A treacle slow utility, body on body he suffices but on forwards that have height and speed on the lead he doesn't cut it.

 

[King Elvis]

Borlase being re-signed isn't an issue.
The 2 years bit is silly.

In isolation, they're all good signings, but...

Murray
Butts
Keane
Borlase

You'd assume we're only going to play 2 of them, right?

If so, Murray is first selected; question is whether Butts (yes for me) or Keane is second picked, which then leaves Keane/Butts as depth, and then Borlase as depth upon depth.

 

[crow2crow]

Yes, he's fine. He is bad in two situations: defending a leading forward (and who isn't?), and kicking for goal (which can be improved). In the SANFL games I have seen, he looks best roaming around the ground, especially as a follower. In fact, I don't see him as just a key back, more of a true utility.

and there is no role like this in AFL

 

[FR0GGY]

In isolation, they're all good signings, but...

Murray
Butts
Keane
Borlase

You'd assume we're only going to play 2 of them, right?

If so, Murray is first selected; question is whether Butts (yes for me) or Keane is second picked, which then leaves Keane/Butts as depth, and then Borlase as depth upon depth.

Murray off a knee and butts made from HD tissue paper though.

 

[Gtowncrow]

You know what else Geelong have had in the last 20 years?

Yep.
About 20% of the premierships.
About 30% of the grand finals
And about 50% of the prelims.
3 different Brownlow medalists.
A couple of Colman medalists.

And the best recruiter in the land. Stephen Wells.