List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

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He just hasn't done enough.

Get him into our SANFL side next year and see how he does.
In hindsight we should have let him remain at WWT this year.

Edit: I thought you were talking about Welsh. Sorry.
 

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Let’s get him to a star first

The only thing that stopped him was the knee injury last year, seeing Thilthorpe put up some straight up monstrous numbers once he came into the side.
 
From a net player POV.... best side net impacts

+3 Crows in Cumming, ANB, Peatling, Out Himmelberg
+3 North In Parker, Darling, Daniel, Konstanty
+2 Hawthorn In Barrass, Battle
+1 Fremantle In Bolton
+1 Geelong In Smith
+1 Collingwood In Houston, Perryman, Out Noble, Richards
+1 Suns In Rioli, Noble, Himmelberg, Out Lukosius, Atkins
+1 West Coast In Baker, Graham, Owies, Out Barrass, Darling
----
0 Port in Lukosius, Richards, Atkins, Out Houston
0 Melbourne In Campbell, Sharp
0 St Kilda In Macrae, Out Battle, Campbell
0 Brisbane Out Sharp
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-1 Carlton In Haynes, Out Kennedy, Owies
-1 Sydney Out Parker, Konstanty
-1 Essendon Out Stringer
-2 Bulldogs In Kennedy, Out Smith, Daniel, Macrae
-2 GWS In Stringer, Out Cumming, Perryman, Peatling, Haynes
-4 Richmond Out Bolton, Rioli, Baker Graham
 
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Who won the trade period?

Adelaide A
Brisbane D
Carlton B-
Collingwood B+
Essendon C-
Fremantle B
GCS B+
Geelong A
GWS D-
Hawthorn A+
Melbourne C
North Melb C
Port B
Richmond B+
St Kilda B
Sydney D-
West Coast C+
W Bulldogs C+

Adelaide A - added three best 22 players for two second round picks
Brisbane C - did nothing except prepare to receive Levi Ashcroft
Carlton B+ - absolutely fleeced West Coast for pick 3, though they did give up a bunch of other picks, also got rid of Owies which is a huge win
Collingwood A - had no currency yet still landed Dan Houston
Essendon B - did pretty well trading pick 9 for a huge amount of points
Fremantle B - added Shai Bolton at fair value
GCS E - got absolutely rolled in the Rioli trade giving massive overs, and got fair value for Lukosius
Geelong A+ - traded in a star player in Bailey Smith while only giving up a single late first round pick
GWS D+ - lost three players but gained two first round compensation picks
Hawthorn A+ - forced West Coast to fold on a contracted Barrass then also got Battle for nothing
Melbourne B - traded up to get two top 10 picks in a strong draft
North Melb C - added experience at the expense of later picks, paid overs for Daniel, and not sure if having cooked guys like Darling actually helps
Port D - folded on Houston despite talking tough, paid fair value for Lukosius after he was shaping up as a salary dump and is now saddled with Atkins
Richmond A+ - got massive overs for Rioli, got massive overs for Baker and got a great return for Bolton
St Kilda A - first round compensation secured for Battle which is massive overs, and traded in Macrae who is handy for peanuts
Sydney C - basically did nothing
West Coast F - got destroyed at the trade table in both the Barrass and Baker deals, ended up without pick 3 in a rebuild
W Bulldogs D+ - got rolled in the Bailey Smith deal, but did get overs for Daniel. Their squad got worse
 
Which is the worst case scenario as it means a key forward who is beginning to enter superstar territory is forced to be a ruck. Even if we make finals, as it runs the risk that we'll waste Thilthorpe.
Injuries can happen anywhere on the field but I think RT would be more impacted by a ruck role
 
From a net player POV.... best side net impacts

+3 Crows in Cumming, ANB, Peatling, Out Himmelberg
+3 North In Parker, Darling, Daniel, Konstanty
+2 Hawthorn In Barrass, Battle
+1 Fremantle In Bolton
+1 Geelong In Smith
+1 Collingwood In Houston, Perryman, Out Noble, Richards
+1 Suns In Rioli, Noble, Himmelberg, Out Lukosius, Atkins
+1 West Coast In Baker, Graham, Owies, Out Barrass, Darling
----
0 Port in Lukosius, Richards, Atkins, Out Houston
0 Melbourne In Campbell, Sharp
0 St Kilda In Macrae, Out Battle, Campbell
0 Brisbane Out Sharp
----
-1 Carlton In Haynes, Out Kennedy, Owies
-1 Sydney Out Parker, Konstanty
-1 Essendon Out Stringer
-2 Bulldogs In Kennedy, Out Smith, Daniel, Macrae
-3 GWS In Stringer, Out Cumming, Perryman, Peatling, Haynes
-4 Richmond Out Bolton, Rioli, Baker Graham
Good, except GWS -2. Haynes doesn't really count.
 
Adelaide A - added three best 22 players for two second round picks
Brisbane C - did nothing except prepare to receive Levi Ashcroft
Carlton B+ - absolutely fleeced West Coast for pick 3, though they did give up a bunch of other picks, also got rid of Owies which is a huge win
Collingwood A - had no currency yet still landed Dan Houston
Essendon B - did pretty well trading pick 9 for a huge amount of points
Fremantle B - added Shai Bolton at fair value
GCS E - got absolutely rolled in the Rioli trade giving massive overs, and got fair value for Lukosius
Geelong A+ - traded in a star player in Bailey Smith while only giving up a single late first round pick
GWS D+ - lost three players but gained two first round compensation picks
Hawthorn A+ - forced West Coast to fold on a contracted Barrass then also got Battle for nothing
Melbourne B - traded up to get two top 10 picks in a strong draft
North Melb C - added experience at the expense of later picks, paid overs for Daniel, and not sure if having cooked guys like Darling actually helps
Port D - folded on Houston despite talking tough, paid fair value for Lukosius after he was shaping up as a salary dump and is now saddled with Atkins
Richmond A+ - got massive overs for Rioli, got massive overs for Baker and got a great return for Bolton
St Kilda A - first round compensation secured for Battle which is massive overs, and traded in Macrae who is handy for peanuts
Sydney C - basically did nothing
West Coast F - got destroyed at the trade table in both the Barrass and Baker deals, ended up without pick 3 in a rebuild
W Bulldogs D+ - got rolled in the Bailey Smith deal, but did get overs for Daniel. Their squad got worse
Yeah, not too dissimilar except...

Gold Coast B- as they rebalanced their list & salary dumped 2 players without doing a Bowes.
Melbourne C meh
St Kilda B thanks to FA
West Coast D- Did OK on Barrass trade, but should never have given up #3 for Baker.
 
If there's a much better player available on the talent list when a bid comes it'll be a tough call
Absolutely correct.

But, even considering all things going In our favour, we will have a choice between Welsh and a (as yet unknown) kid available at pick 48.

Makes Welah pretty attractive . . .

. . . unless we really don't think he'll make it.
 
Adelaide A - added three best 22 players for two second round picks
Brisbane C - did nothing except prepare to receive Levi Ashcroft
Carlton B+ - absolutely fleeced West Coast for pick 3, though they did give up a bunch of other picks, also got rid of Owies which is a huge win
Collingwood A - had no currency yet still landed Dan Houston
Essendon B - did pretty well trading pick 9 for a huge amount of points
Fremantle B - added Shai Bolton at fair value
GCS E - got absolutely rolled in the Rioli trade giving massive overs, and got fair value for Lukosius
Geelong A+ - traded in a star player in Bailey Smith while only giving up a single late first round pick
GWS D+ - lost three players but gained two first round compensation picks
Hawthorn A+ - forced West Coast to fold on a contracted Barrass then also got Battle for nothing
Melbourne B - traded up to get two top 10 picks in a strong draft
North Melb C - added experience at the expense of later picks, paid overs for Daniel, and not sure if having cooked guys like Darling actually helps
Port D - folded on Houston despite talking tough, paid fair value for Lukosius after he was shaping up as a salary dump and is now saddled with Atkins
Richmond A+ - got massive overs for Rioli, got massive overs for Baker and got a great return for Bolton
St Kilda A - first round compensation secured for Battle which is massive overs, and traded in Macrae who is handy for peanuts
Sydney C - basically did nothing
West Coast F - got destroyed at the trade table in both the Barrass and Baker deals, ended up without pick 3 in a rebuild
W Bulldogs D+ - got rolled in the Bailey Smith deal, but did get overs for Daniel. Their squad got worse

Sorry just received an email from Matthew Nicks. I will summarise.

Hi Bigfooty,

While I am ecstatic you are happy with our recruiting this off season I request caution in assuming they are best 22. While results didnt go our way, Alex Neil Bullen, Isaac Cumming and James Peatling have to prove themselves. Nearly all of them will have to be surperior deep defenders in pre season just to even be considered for selection. This team also has 23 of the best footballers you will ever see and I still found ways to include Curtin, Dowling and Taylor when injuries occured. So I am unsure as to which footballers you expect to remove from out best 23 to fit those players in. I have a philosophy as to not rush our shiny new toys. I am sure they will play some games but only in emergencies.

Yours sincerely

Matthew Nicks
AFC Senior Coach
 

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Sorry just received an email from Matthew Nicks. I will summarise.

Hi Bigfooty,

While I am ecstatic you are happy with our recruiting this off season I request caution in assuming they are best 22. While results didnt go our way, Alex Neil Bullen, Isaac Cumming and James Peatling have to prove themselves. Nearly all of them will have to be surperior deep defenders in pre season just to even be considered for selection. This team also has 23 of the best footballers you will ever see and I still found ways to include Curtin, Dowling and Taylor when injuries occured. So I am unsure as to which footballers you expect to remove from out best 23 to fit those players in. I have a philosophy as to not rush our shiny new toys. I am sure they will play some games but only in emergencies.

Yours sincerely

Matthew Nicks
AFC Senior Coach
you missed murphy replacement dawson captain 🤣
 
Sorry just received an email from Matthew Nicks. I will summarise.

Hi Bigfooty,

While I am ecstatic you are happy with our recruiting this off season I request caution in assuming they are best 22. While results didnt go our way, Alex Neil Bullen, Isaac Cumming and James Peatling have to prove themselves. Nearly all of them will have to be surperior deep defenders in pre season just to even be considered for selection. This team also has 23 of the best footballers you will ever see and I still found ways to include Curtin, Dowling and Taylor when injuries occured. So I am unsure as to which footballers you expect to remove from out best 23 to fit those players in. I have a philosophy as to not rush our shiny new toys. I am sure they will play some games but only in emergencies.

Yours sincerely

Matthew Nicks
AFC Senior Coach
Your cynicism/ mail is completely justified. But our 3 trades provide right now improvements. They will play. The only issue is whether they replace Murphy, Smith and Berry, or Curtin, Bond and Edwards/Ryan.

I'll leave it to your imagination as to how this will play out.
 
Reid mentioned we are yet to commit to Welsh and that they'll speak to the family this week about it all
He's just wanting to tell the media as little as possible... which is a good strategy.
 
Going to have to disagree.

There is no way a ruck makes us a 3 goal per game better team. While TT forward probably can (2 of his own + at least 1 crumbing goal).
Might be poorly worded but I feel he shouldnt ruck as his type of injury is aggravated more by rucking
 
Your cynicism/ mail is completely justified. But our 3 trades provide right now improvements. They will play. The only issue is whether they replace Murphy, Smith and Berry, or Curtin, Bond and Edwards/Ryan.

I'll leave it to your imagination as to how this will play out.

If Nicks approaches the season with a finals or bust style attitude like he had midway through 2023 he will keep Curtin, Dowling, Bond and Taylor out of the team as much as possible in favour of senior players. I do suspect that this is how it will play out pending injuries of course. Nicks is at risk of being moved on at the end of the year if his results dont improve. So i do certainly expect an all out assault on finals.
 

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