List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[GreyCrow]

I like this road, much better than the Draper route.

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This is the problem when you have 2 footballers linked to us with the same name

In my tired state I thought he was advocating trading 4 for Visentini

 

[Vader]

There is 0% punishment for changing our mind. They are delisted. It also depends on the wording off the promise. If we said outright that we will redraft them in the rookie draft and we dont, the AFLPA will be pretty pissed and it is a dog act by the club that will look incredibly poor by the playing group and the wider player and player manager population. But if we said we are considering our options and we will look at whats available but we will take them if its our best option well thats entirely different.

We're not the only club committing to re-draft players we've delisted - Collingwood, Sydney, Fremantle, Brisbane, Norf, Hawthorn, GWS and Richmond are all doing the same thing.

There is a 100% guarantee that these clubs will all re-draft the players they delisted, provided they are still available at their picks in the RD.

This is all semantics anyway. We wouldnt have done it with the press release of the promise if there was the possibility of walking away from the deal. Afterall this is the club that has kept players on the rookie system who have retired and to pay medical bills. So I doubt we would be this ruthless.

The reason we kept Gibbs on the list after his retirement is because we couldn't afford to pay out his contract and include it in the previous year's salary cap. We are not the only club to have found themselves in this predicament - Brisbane famously had to keep Voss on their list after his retirement for the very same reason.

Both players at this stage would know they are done and wont play AFL footy next year, I guess its up to them whether they pursue the promise and commit to a preseason or tell the club they want out and go play Sanfl or VFL etc. Either way the club has to pay them the contract because they are delisted.

The difference is that their salaries need to be included in the 2024 salary cap (mostly spent already) if they're not re-drafted, whereas it goes in the 2025 cap if they are.

Presumably the club would have worked through this with the players before delisting them.

 

[Danger in Texas]

We're not the only club committing to re-draft players we've delisted - Collingwood, Sydney, Fremantle, Brisbane, Norf, Hawthorn, GWS and Richmond are all doing the same thing.

There is a 100% guarantee that these clubs will all re-draft the players they delisted, provided they are still available at their picks in the RD.

The reason we kept Gibbs on the list after his retirement is because we couldn't afford to pay out his contract and include it in the previous year's salary cap. We are not the only club to have found themselves in this predicament - Brisbane famously had to keep Voss on their list after his retirement for the very same reason.

The difference is that their salaries need to be included in the 2024 salary cap (mostly spent already) if they're not re-drafted, whereas it goes in the 2025 cap if they are.

Presumably the club would have worked through this with the players before delisting them.

Interesting. I always thought payouts were done in accordance with the originally agreed contract (ie 2025 payment included in 2025 cap)

I guess it makes it not as easy to cut players mid-contract, given it’s something you can’t really plan for

 

[Vader]

Interesting. I always thought payouts were done in accordance with the originally agreed contract (ie 2025 payment included in 2025 cap)

I guess it makes it not as easy to cut players mid-contract, given it’s something you can’t really plan for

If a contracted player is delisted in 2024, the following rules apply:

• If they're re-drafted to the same club, they simply resume their existing contract, with the salary included in the 2025 salary cap as normal.
• If they're not picked up by any club, then they get paid out, and the payout is included in the club's 2024 salary cap.
• If they're picked up by another club, then their current club is liable for any difference between their current contract and their contract with their new club (assuming the new club is paying less). The current club's payments are included in the 2025 salary cap.