List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

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Flip the dates, and the Scouse boom-bust cycle adapts really quite well to Adelaide

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Should've just posted the Richmond optimism chart from the Bay .. looks a little similar




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Happy with that but Nicks ain’t making Laird sub, so he’s either defence or midfield, issue is he doesn’t fit in either.
Maybe starting on the bench and rotating through both areas as needed?

Probably the best we can hope for at this stage, and hopefully not taking too much game time from other developing players.
 
Flip the dates, and the Scouse boom-bust cycle adapts really quite well to Adelaide

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That's Port.

We are a horizontal line at mid level until pre season, then if pre season goes well we jump up a lot, if it goes bad it bumps up a little and then, lately, it just drops steadily from there to bottom out in July and Aug with a few late wins usually pushing us back up to mid range ready to sit there for the offseason again.
 
Just a random "Ruck" related question.
People always praise the ruckman who is "like an extra midfielder" or even another forward.
Is the any hope for a ruckman who is actually closer to those things to begin with eg, slightly shorter, faster & more aerobic and can actually kick goals
I wonder if someone like Toby Murray could become that.. where winning the tap then disappearing is no longer our prime objective🤔
 
Just a random "Ruck" related question.
People always praise the ruckman who is "like an extra midfielder" or even another forward.
Is the any hope for a ruckman who is actually closer to those things to begin with eg, slightly shorter, faster & more aerobic and can actually kick goals
I wonder if someone like Toby Murray could become that.. where winning the tap then disappearing is no longer our prime objective🤔
I'm big on Toby Murray ....has developed massively in his first year within a professional program

I could see a ruck combo of Thilthorpe & Turray .....still not big supporter of your best players crashing into other blokes at CBA's ...what with all the knee clashes & injury risks
 
I'm big on Toby Murray ....has developed massively in his first year within a professional program

I could see a ruck combo of Thilthorpe & Turray .....still not big supporter of your best players crashing into other blokes at CBA's ...what with all the knee clashes & injury risks
Yeah agree, maybe that's why ROBs such a "good" foil..I'm actually pretty surprised he's so durable, he looks like he could injure himself getting out of bed.
I'll be keeping a close eye on T-Muz this year.. with my fingers crossed.
 
Just a random "Ruck" related question.
People always praise the ruckman who is "like an extra midfielder" or even another forward.
Is the any hope for a ruckman who is actually closer to those things to begin with eg, slightly shorter, faster & more aerobic and can actually kick goals
I wonder if someone like Toby Murray could become that.. where winning the tap then disappearing is no longer our prime objective🤔
It is as if you are buying a new phone for the camera.
 
He's top 4 for disposals, clearances and tackles for players his age.

Yeah, there's a way to go. But that's not a bad place to start.
I'm not saying he is crap, he is one of my favourite players but I guess when we are discussing a player being "elite" then what are the parameters of being elite?

Is it top 2% of the comp (top 20 players)

Is it top 50 player, top 100?

For me it is the first one, top 20 players and I just do not think Soligo will get there, at this stage we have one player on our team who could get there and that is Rankine.

Once again, that is not a sledge on Soligo but on this board we routinely over rate our players ( sadly our coaching box is worse for it, probably still think Laird is on the cusp of elite) and calling Soligo a prospect of being elite is one of them.
 

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Should've just posted the Richmond optimism chart from the Bay .. looks a little similar




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Why did that dickhead Geelong supporter have to post this at the start of the 2017 season?! I've never quite known who exactly to blame for losing the 2017 GF but now we've got a clear scapegoat!
 
I'm not saying he is crap, he is one of my favourite players but I guess when we are discussing a player being "elite" then what are the parameters of being elite?

Is it top 2% of the comp (top 20 players)

Is it top 50 player, top 100?

For me it is the first one, top 20 players and I just do not think Soligo will get there, at this stage we have one player on our team who could get there and that is Rankine.

Once again, that is not a sledge on Soligo but on this board we routinely over rate our players ( sadly our coaching box is worse for it, probably still think Laird is on the cusp of elite) and calling Soligo a prospect of being elite is one of them.
Unfortunately, there are multiple definitions of "elite" and so it gets a bit confusing. Particularly if different definitions are used in the answer to the question.

I tend to stick to the AFL's definitions
  1. Elite - top 10% of players that year (about 55ish)
  2. Above average - top 33%
  3. Average - 34% to 67%
  4. Below average - last 33%
Most premiership teams have a decent number of top 10% players (6ish?), but also bat deep for average or better.

Ie the top 6 and bottom 6 players in the team determine whether you can win it or not.

Soligo could be a top 55 player in the league at some point during his prime years. This would help us with a premiership tilt.
 
Unfortunately, there are multiple definitions of "elite" and so it gets a bit confusing. Particularly if different definitions are used in the answer to the question.

I tend to stick to the AFL's definitions
  1. Elite - top 10% of players that year (about 55ish)
  2. Above average - top 33%
  3. Average - 34% to 67%
  4. Below average - last 33%
Most premiership teams have a decent number of top 10% players (6ish?), but also bat deep for average or better.

Ie the top 6 and bottom 6 players in the team determine whether you can win it or not.

Soligo could be a top 55 player in the league at some point during his prime years. This would help us with a premiership tilt.
Top 55 I can see that.

To be fair though, AFL definitions are a low bar, their definition of "AFL superstar" is anyone with more than 3 games :)
 
Its not the best. Our premiership squads have almost all of our all time best players and that squad also includes several of the best all time players. Riccuito, Modra, Jarman, McLeod, Smart.

This squad is a long way from being on the same page.

I don’t think the competition is nearly as strong as it used to be. Look at the Port team now - which is generally around the mark - and compare that to their early 2000’s team

Depth of player is not what it once was since the expansion


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Given the 2024 draft is with us next week, who do we all think the Crows should pick at Pick 4 which will most likely become Pick 5 with a bid on Levi Ashcroft? I dare say a number of people would be picking Sid Draper in a heartbeat. For me, I would personally be picking Harvey Langford; the highlights put together by Noobermensch below provide ample justification as to why. Interested in everyone's thoughts. :)
 

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