List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[FR0GGY]

Rachele for Phillipou

Who says no?

Rachele

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Rachele

Maybe a week ago

 

[Ticktak]

Rachele for Phillipou

Who says no?

Me

 

[Apsaalooke]

Rachele for Phillipou

Who says no?

I like Rachele but I like Phillipou more, so yes

 

[Interloperer]

Mark Keane for Billy Frampton

17

Billy Frampton

Age

27

Ht

201cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.1

2star

K

5.1

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

0.7

3star

MG

99.0

2star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

99.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

107.0

2star

. You're hearing it more and more

 

[George Kramer]

Rachele for Phillipou

Who says no?

Phillipou

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Hear me out.

Should we trade Rachele back to Victoria?

We need mids and we have an opportunity to trade in some top players who need a spot in the 22. He is a good player and could net us a top 10 pick via many of the vic sides out of the 8. Which could gift us the opportunity to get some really good draftees and recruits into our system. Yes he will turn into an A grade player but I think he adds greater value for us being traded out for a decent pick that we can use.

In other words sacrificing the one player for the long term.

No … we need match winners

Outside of Rankine we don’t have many but Josh is one

 

[Crows I Am]

Rachele would be at his lowest value right now after everything that has happened this week. Would be a case of 'buying high selling low' type deal.

 

[Disco Fox]

This is in the Age this morning - inside the Hawthorn "war room" stuff. Some telling philosophies that Crows may follow, or not!! Also note that we had the average youngest team on the field this year(24.1) & lowest number of average games per player(71).

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...hawthorn-s-stunning-rise-20240823-p5k4qm.html

 

[Soggy2112]

Rachele for Phillipou

Who says no?

Me

If Phillipou requests a trade here then we can get it done with picks, no need to give up Rach.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Me

If Phillipou requests a trade here then we can get it done with picks, no need to give up Rach.

Yeah exactly , we need to add talent not lose talent and add talent

 

[woofsson]

This is in the Age this morning - inside the Hawthorn "war room" stuff. Some telling philosophies that Crows may follow, or not!! Also note that we had the average youngest team on the field this year(24.1) & lowest number of average games per player(71).

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...hawthorn-s-stunning-rise-20240823-p5k4qm.html

Excellent article. Meanwhile, our plan? Play the same old players and try harder, because every decision we’ve made is the right one and the players are just not executing properly.
it must be so frustrating for the coaching and management team to be continually let down by the players.

 

[Vader]

This is in the Age this morning - inside the Hawthorn "war room" stuff. Some telling philosophies that Crows may follow, or not!! Also note that we had the average youngest team on the field this year(24.1) & lowest number of average games per player(71).

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...hawthorn-s-stunning-rise-20240823-p5k4qm.html

So we've had the youngest & least experienced team all year, yet the Cartel would have us believe that we're not playing the kids enough?

One of the key reasons why we've been so inconsistent is the lack of age & experience in our team. That's not to say that we should have been playing "cooked" players like Brodie Smith. It's saying that we don't have enough experienced AFL-standard players on our list - a problem which is exacerbated by the deterioration of the senior players we do have.

 

[Vader]

Excellent article. Meanwhile, our plan? Play the same old players and try harder, because every decision we’ve made is the right one and the players are just not executing properly.
it must be so frustrating for the coaching and management team to be continually let down by the players.

Yep, we're playing the same old players... which is why Smith has spent the last month playing in the SANFL, and Laird has barely seen a centre bounce in the same period.

 

[cleanhands]

So we've had the youngest & least experienced team all year, yet the Cartel would have us believe that we're not playing the kids enough?

One of the key reasons why we've been so inconsistent is the lack of age & experience in our team. That's not to say that we should have been playing "cooked" players like Brodie Smith. It's saying that we don't have enough experienced AFL-standard players on our list - a problem which is exacerbated by the deterioration of the senior players we do have.

And not getting games into kids early enough and putting games into duds

 

[Vader]

And not getting games into kids early enough and putting games into duds

You mean not letting the BF Cartel get their hands on shiny new toys, before the toys are ready to be played with?

Putting games into duds - Murphy being the prime (and almost only) example - can be justified on the basis of a lack of alternatives. We simply don't have anyone with whom to replace him. I really wish we did, but the fact is that we don't. This is why the recruitment of ANB is so important (infinitely more important than Luko).

 

[Jeffcrowe]

And not getting games into kids early enough and putting games into duds

Yep you need senior players , it’s just that ours are not much good outside of Tex ( yes I still think he’s good and valuable contributor )

We’ve played the kids even though it’s not always in right roles or with right responsibility

but our most experienced players haven’t contributed enough on field

 

[cleanhands]

You mean not letting the BF Cartel get their hands on shiny new toys, before the toys are ready to be played with?

Putting games into duds - Murphy being the prime (and almost only) example - can be justified on the basis of a lack of alternatives. We simply don't have anyone with whom to replace him. I really wish we did, but the fact is that we don't. This is why the recruitment of ANB is so important (infinitely more important than Luko).

We miss too many opportunities to play younger players as for Murphy you can’t justify the roll he supposedly plays it can easily be done with the game plan that doesn’t work

 

[cleanhands]

Yep you need senior players , it’s just that ours are not much good outside of Tex ( yes I still think he’s good and valuable contributor )

We’ve played the kids even though it’s not always in right roles or with right responsibility

but our most experienced players haven’t contributed enough on field

I’m well aware of the seniors need but we regurgitate the same players too much

 

[Vader]

We miss too many opportunities to play younger players as for Murphy you can’t justify the roll he supposedly plays it can easily be done with the game plan that doesn’t work

The fact that we've been the youngest & least experienced team suggests that we've already been playing a LOT of younger players. That's the lesson to be taken away here.

Our younger & less inexperienced players aren't, as a collective group, capable of doing the heavy lifting yet - and the older players (who were previously carrying the team) have declined significantly this year. It's been a fatal combination. Too much youth, not enough un-cooked experience.

We really don't have any alternatives to Murphy, which is why the recruitment of ANB is so important. Murphy is a dud, and he needs to be exited from the team ASAP, but we need someone to replace him. That someone does not currently exist on our team list.

 

[Scorpus]

Is having the youngest side in the league usually the goal five years into a rebuild?

We're in this position because Nicks didn't invest games in youth early, and didn't develop the players we had into good players, causing more significant list turnover later in the rebuild.

We had to debut a bunch of guys this year because five years in we finally realised Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

32

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

and Rory Sloane

9

Rory Sloane

Age

34

Ht

183cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

11.9

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

6.6

5star

CL

5.7

5star

D

15.3

4star

K

7.3

3star

HB

8.0

4star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.3

4star

CL

4.2

5star

D

22.2

5star

K

8.6

4star

HB

13.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

6.0

5star

CL

4.6

5star

(though he was injured) won't be there for our next flag and the guys we had invested in (Jones, McHenry, etc) aren't working out like we hoped

This lack of plan and long term thinking, combined with poor development and drafting, has anchored us to the bottom of the ladder. We're in a perpetual state of rebuild, a standstill. It's been predicted years out by some on here.

 

[Scorpus]

And before some people say "well you need experience in the side otherwise you burn the youth"

Well we did that. We had experienced players and played them. And five years later we're bottom 4. And now those players are retiring or being replaced with rookies.

Yep, worked out well for us.

Not to mention our very own senior players are doing a great job of torching the youth, which supposedly would only happen without them

 

[cleanhands]

And before some people say "well you need experience in the side otherwise you burn the youth"

Well we did that. We had experienced players and played them. And five years later we're bottom 4. And now those players are retiring or being replaced with rookies.

Yep, worked out well for us.

Not to mention our very own senior players are doing a great job of torching the youth

Don’t stop loving it MORE

 

[Vader]

I’m well aware of the seniors need but we regurgitate the same players too much

I'm sorry, but this is just garbage. We used 39 players this year, so it's not as if we haven't been handing out opportunities like lollipops.

For point of comparison, here's how many players teams have used this year:
42 - Richmond
39 - Adelaide, West Coast, North Melbourne
38 - St Kilda, Gold Coast
37 - Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood
36 - Fremantle, Melbourne
35 - Geelong, Western Bulldogs, Essendon
34 - Port Adelaide, GWS, Hawthorn
31 - Sydney

Only Richmond have used more players. Even Carlton, which currently has almost a full team on their injury list, have used fewer players than Adelaide.

The only players who haven't played an AFL game this year are:
Sloane - retired
Edwards - 1st year player
Ryan - 1st year player
Gallagher - 1st year player, Cat B rookie
T Murray - 1st year MSD selection

 

[cleanhands]

I'm sorry, but this is just garbage. We used 39 players this year, so it's not as if we haven't been handing out opportunities like lollipops.

For point of comparison, here's how many players teams have used this year:
42 - Richmond
39 - Adelaide, West Coast, North Melbourne
38 - St Kilda, Gold Coast
37 - Brisbane, Carlton, Collingwood
36 - Fremantle, Melbourne
35 - Geelong, Western Bulldogs, Essendon
34 - Port Adelaide, GWS, Hawthorn
31 - Sydney

Only Richmond have used more players. Even Carlton, which currently has almost a full team on their injury list, have used fewer players than Adelaide.

The only players who haven't played an AFL game this year are:
Sloane - retired
Edwards - 1st year player
Ryan - 1st year player
Gallagher - 1st year player, Cat B rookie
T Murray - 1st year MSD selection

It’s missed opportunities when presented

PS: I’m not interested in what garbage other clubs do