List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading

[hugecannon]

Call me crazy, but I’d be trading pick 4 and our own future first (with a F2 coming back) for Richmond’s future first. Almost guarantees you Sharp.

With them bringing in trading of 2 years of future picks from next years, we are in a position where we can potentially offer a truckload of picks next year if we think Sharp (or whoever) is the final piece for the team.

If it’s me I’m definitely not trading out pick 4 this year

 

[Scorpus]

Call me crazy, but I’d be trading pick 4 and our own future first (with a F2 coming back) for Richmond’s future first. Almost guarantees you Sharp.

Richmond would never do that deal

 

[crow2crow]

Not sure about that, someone on here that claims to know him says he is contracted for 2025

5AA said last night he wasnt

 

[hippyhippy]

Your crazy !!

And immensely stupid at the same time

 

[FR0GGY]

5AA said last night he wasnt

Interesting

 

[crow2crow]

Interesting

Footywire has it at 2024 ending as well for what its worth

 

[FR0GGY]

Footywire has it at 2024 ending as well for what its worth

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I just find it hard to comprehend someone would move for 1 year

 

[Mutineer]

Call me crazy, but I’d be trading pick 4 and our own future first (with a F2 coming back) for Richmond’s future first. Almost guarantees you Sharp.

You're crazy.

 

[crow2crow]

I just find it hard to comprehend someone would move for 1 year

Because they were delisting him anyway

 

[Floating Doughnut]

Because they were delisting him anyway

Thought he had a contract at GC for 2024 so they would have had to pay him out ?
Possible we just took over the last year but very happy to be corrected.

 

[crow2crow]

Thought he had a contract at GC for 2024 so they would have had to pay him out ?
Possible we just took over the last year but very happy to be corrected.

we probably just picked up the contract. the draft capital was negligible. if we didn't pick him up yes they could pay it out.

 

[Mutineer]

Because they were delisting him anyway

Were they?
He had a year to run on his contract so they would have had to pay him out.

Don't think there's a lot of history of AFL players being delisted while contracted unless they had issues especially off field?

 

[crow2crow]

Were they?
He had a year to run on his contract so they would have had to pay him out.

Don't think there's a lot of history of AFL players being delisted while contracted unless they had issues especially off field?

Pidly contract I bet. Paying out would be nothing for the sake of a senior list spot when they had all those academy guys in one year coming in.

 

[crow2crow]

I just find it hard to comprehend someone would move for 1 year

are you disputing the validity of footywire's data?

 

[jenny61_99]

I just find it hard to comprehend someone would move for 1 year

Unless you weren’t going to be played in GC, and you knew you wanted to get home. Your move is paid for, you get another year’s salary and you might even get a chance to make your way onto the list. Two out of three ain’t bad.

 

[Mutineer]

Pidly contract I bet. Paying out would be nothing for the sake of a senior list spot when they had all those academy guys in one year coming in.

Pick 14 in a pick swap that gave them more points was most likely why we took him anyway.

 

[Disco Fox]

Not sure about that, someone on here that claims to know him says he is contracted for 2025

Not contracted for next year.

 

[PeterSalt]

Mmmm ..

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Gold Coast is bracing for a looming list squeeze after being told it will lose five rookie spots in the final phase out of the 2019 assistance package that helped the club land Matt Rowell

18

Matt Rowell

Age

23

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

and Noah Anderson

15

Noah Anderson

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

with the first two picks in that year’s national draft.
Set for review at the end of its 2024 season, Gold Coast had initially hoped the rookie list concessions would be phased out over a few years. But the club was officially told by the AFL last week that all five of its additional Category A spots would be stripped back before next year.

It leaves the Suns’ list management team with some tough calls to make in the coming weeks, as it manoeuvres to add at least Daniel Rioli and John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

during the trade period as well as Suns Academy starlet Leo Lombard in November’s national draft.

Brandon Ellis

4

Brandon Ellis

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.7

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

12.9

5star

HB

5.6

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.3

3star

CL

1.4

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

1.0

3star

’ retirement meant the Suns ended the season with 37 players on the primary list and eight on the rookie list. The max number of players on the primary list is 38.

Under the assistance package, the Suns were able to hold nine Category A rookies and one Category B rookie this season.

Breakout players Bodhi Uwland and Sam Clohesy are likely to be elevated ahead of next season. If Rioli, Noble and Lombard arrive as expected, that would mean five additions to a primary list that currently only has one vacancy.

And the Suns now have less wiggle room to move senior players to their rookie list, given there will be five fewer spots as of next season.

Last week this masthead reported inaugural Sun Sam Day

12

Sam Day

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

3.6

1star

HB

4.4

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.8

3star

G

0.2

3star

had been told he would not be offered a contract for next season. He will likely be among the first wave of delistings, expected to be announced by the club sometime this week.

In September 2019, the AFL announced it would hand Gold Coast a sizeable assistance package that included three years’ worth of priority picks – including the No. 1 pick in that year’s draft which was used to take Rowell.

The Suns were also granted expanded academy access to the Northern Territory Zone and the ability to pre-sign Suns Academy players without having to bid on them in the draft.

The last of the priority picks were exhausted in 2021 and from last year, the club was no longer able to pre-sign Suns Academy players ahead of the draft.

That led to the Suns stockpiling a slew of draft picks to successfully match bids on Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers and Will Graham in the 2023 national draft.

The club will do the same this year with Larke Medallist, Lombard.

With the removal of the extra rookie list spots, the Suns are now on a level playing field with the rest of the competition – and it could even be argued they are now at a slight disadvantage, given the lack of father-son access due to the club’s relative infancy.

Even their Northern Academy advantages, shared by the Brisbane Lions, Sydney Swans and GWS Giants, will be minimal when compared to previous years.

Clubs will once again be allowed to match bids on Next Generation Academy (NGA) players from pick No. 1 this year, bringing it in line with the northern academies.

And from next year the AFL will introduce a revised draft value index that will make it harder to match bids on academy and father-son selections.

 

[Sizzlepack]

Mmmm ..

URL unfurl="true"]https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/suns-five-additional-category-a-spots-set-to-be-stripped-after-2019-draft-concessions/news-story/b97517d3c6315de298110d261a327a8d[/URL]


Gold Coast is bracing for a looming list squeeze after being told it will lose five rookie spots in the final phase out of the 2019 assistance package that helped the club land Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson with the first two picks in that year’s national draft.
Set for review at the end of its 2024 season, Gold Coast had initially hoped the rookie list concessions would be phased out over a few years. But the club was officially told by the AFL last week that all five of its additional Category A spots would be stripped back before next year.

It leaves the Suns’ list management team with some tough calls to make in the coming weeks, as it manoeuvres to add at least Daniel Rioli and John Noble during the trade period as well as Suns Academy starlet Leo Lombard in November’s national draft.

Brandon Ellis’ retirement meant the Suns ended the season with 37 players on the primary list and eight on the rookie list. The max number of players on the primary list is 38.

Under the assistance package, the Suns were able to hold nine Category A rookies and one Category B rookie this season.

Breakout players Bodhi Uwland and Sam Clohesy are likely to be elevated ahead of next season. If Rioli, Noble and Lombard arrive as expected, that would mean five additions to a primary list that currently only has one vacancy.

And the Suns now have less wiggle room to move senior players to their rookie list, given there will be five fewer spots as of next season.

Last week this masthead reported inaugural Sun Sam Day had been told he would not be offered a contract for next season. He will likely be among the first wave of delistings, expected to be announced by the club sometime this week.

In September 2019, the AFL announced it would hand Gold Coast a sizeable assistance package that included three years’ worth of priority picks – including the No. 1 pick in that year’s draft which was used to take Rowell.

The Suns were also granted expanded academy access to the Northern Territory Zone and the ability to pre-sign Suns Academy players without having to bid on them in the draft.

The last of the priority picks were exhausted in 2021 and from last year, the club was no longer able to pre-sign Suns Academy players ahead of the draft.

That led to the Suns stockpiling a slew of draft picks to successfully match bids on Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers and Will Graham in the 2023 national draft.

The club will do the same this year with Larke Medallist, Lombard.

With the removal of the extra rookie list spots, the Suns are now on a level playing field with the rest of the competition – and it could even be argued they are now at a slight disadvantage, given the lack of father-son access due to the club’s relative infancy.

Even their Northern Academy advantages, shared by the Brisbane Lions, Sydney Swans and GWS Giants, will be minimal when compared to previous years.

Clubs will once again be allowed to match bids on Next Generation Academy (NGA) players from pick No. 1 this year, bringing it in line with the northern academies.

And from next year the AFL will introduce a revised draft value index that will make it harder to match bids on academy and father-son selections.

This explains everything the Suns have been doing ahead of this year's trade period, including telling Lukosius and Rosas they're free to explore trades. The timing just lines up too perfectly.

 

[Scorpus]

Mmmm ..

URL unfurl="true"]https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/suns-five-additional-category-a-spots-set-to-be-stripped-after-2019-draft-concessions/news-story/b97517d3c6315de298110d261a327a8d[/URL]


Gold Coast is bracing for a looming list squeeze after being told it will lose five rookie spots in the final phase out of the 2019 assistance package that helped the club land Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson with the first two picks in that year’s national draft.
Set for review at the end of its 2024 season, Gold Coast had initially hoped the rookie list concessions would be phased out over a few years. But the club was officially told by the AFL last week that all five of its additional Category A spots would be stripped back before next year.

It leaves the Suns’ list management team with some tough calls to make in the coming weeks, as it manoeuvres to add at least Daniel Rioli and John Noble during the trade period as well as Suns Academy starlet Leo Lombard in November’s national draft.

Brandon Ellis’ retirement meant the Suns ended the season with 37 players on the primary list and eight on the rookie list. The max number of players on the primary list is 38.

Under the assistance package, the Suns were able to hold nine Category A rookies and one Category B rookie this season.

Breakout players Bodhi Uwland and Sam Clohesy are likely to be elevated ahead of next season. If Rioli, Noble and Lombard arrive as expected, that would mean five additions to a primary list that currently only has one vacancy.

And the Suns now have less wiggle room to move senior players to their rookie list, given there will be five fewer spots as of next season.

Last week this masthead reported inaugural Sun Sam Day had been told he would not be offered a contract for next season. He will likely be among the first wave of delistings, expected to be announced by the club sometime this week.

In September 2019, the AFL announced it would hand Gold Coast a sizeable assistance package that included three years’ worth of priority picks – including the No. 1 pick in that year’s draft which was used to take Rowell.

The Suns were also granted expanded academy access to the Northern Territory Zone and the ability to pre-sign Suns Academy players without having to bid on them in the draft.

The last of the priority picks were exhausted in 2021 and from last year, the club was no longer able to pre-sign Suns Academy players ahead of the draft.

That led to the Suns stockpiling a slew of draft picks to successfully match bids on Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers and Will Graham in the 2023 national draft.

The club will do the same this year with Larke Medallist, Lombard.

With the removal of the extra rookie list spots, the Suns are now on a level playing field with the rest of the competition – and it could even be argued they are now at a slight disadvantage, given the lack of father-son access due to the club’s relative infancy.

Even their Northern Academy advantages, shared by the Brisbane Lions, Sydney Swans and GWS Giants, will be minimal when compared to previous years.

Clubs will once again be allowed to match bids on Next Generation Academy (NGA) players from pick No. 1 this year, bringing it in line with the northern academies.

And from next year the AFL will introduce a revised draft value index that will make it harder to match bids on academy and father-son selections.

Suns would have known this was going to be the case for ages, but doesn't hurt our chances of snagging some offcuts (except for our lack of list spots)

 

[PeterSalt]

Suns would have known this was going to be the case for ages, but doesn't hurt our chances of snagging some offcuts (except for our lack of list spots)

Getting a couple of players off of the list now for some draft capital makes a lot sense after reading that

 

[Pea Nut]

Mmmm ..

URL unfurl="true"]https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/suns-five-additional-category-a-spots-set-to-be-stripped-after-2019-draft-concessions/news-story/b97517d3c6315de298110d261a327a8d[/URL]


Gold Coast is bracing for a looming list squeeze after being told it will lose five rookie spots in the final phase out of the 2019 assistance package that helped the club land Matt Rowell and Noah Anderson with the first two picks in that year’s national draft.
Set for review at the end of its 2024 season, Gold Coast had initially hoped the rookie list concessions would be phased out over a few years. But the club was officially told by the AFL last week that all five of its additional Category A spots would be stripped back before next year.

It leaves the Suns’ list management team with some tough calls to make in the coming weeks, as it manoeuvres to add at least Daniel Rioli and John Noble during the trade period as well as Suns Academy starlet Leo Lombard in November’s national draft.

Brandon Ellis’ retirement meant the Suns ended the season with 37 players on the primary list and eight on the rookie list. The max number of players on the primary list is 38.

Under the assistance package, the Suns were able to hold nine Category A rookies and one Category B rookie this season.

Breakout players Bodhi Uwland and Sam Clohesy are likely to be elevated ahead of next season. If Rioli, Noble and Lombard arrive as expected, that would mean five additions to a primary list that currently only has one vacancy.

And the Suns now have less wiggle room to move senior players to their rookie list, given there will be five fewer spots as of next season.

Last week this masthead reported inaugural Sun Sam Day had been told he would not be offered a contract for next season. He will likely be among the first wave of delistings, expected to be announced by the club sometime this week.

In September 2019, the AFL announced it would hand Gold Coast a sizeable assistance package that included three years’ worth of priority picks – including the No. 1 pick in that year’s draft which was used to take Rowell.

The Suns were also granted expanded academy access to the Northern Territory Zone and the ability to pre-sign Suns Academy players without having to bid on them in the draft.

The last of the priority picks were exhausted in 2021 and from last year, the club was no longer able to pre-sign Suns Academy players ahead of the draft.

That led to the Suns stockpiling a slew of draft picks to successfully match bids on Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers and Will Graham in the 2023 national draft.

The club will do the same this year with Larke Medallist, Lombard.

With the removal of the extra rookie list spots, the Suns are now on a level playing field with the rest of the competition – and it could even be argued they are now at a slight disadvantage, given the lack of father-son access due to the club’s relative infancy.

Even their Northern Academy advantages, shared by the Brisbane Lions, Sydney Swans and GWS Giants, will be minimal when compared to previous years.

Clubs will once again be allowed to match bids on Next Generation Academy (NGA) players from pick No. 1 this year, bringing it in line with the northern academies.

And from next year the AFL will introduce a revised draft value index that will make it harder to match bids on academy and father-son selections.

They have even less bargaining power at the trade table with the list squeeze they are currently under. And every club would know this. To give up a future first in a trade for Luko would be madness.

 

[Samcro24]

How a side with so many list cloggers is struggling to free up list spots blows my mind.

 

[crow2crow]

How a side with so many list cloggers is struggling to free up list spots blows my mind.

we find it hard to say no. thats why they tell people uncontracted by sms

 

[Rix31]

You could have read out Ginnevan, Chol, d'Ambrosio and Gunston with less enthusiasm last year, but they have made a huge difference, for comparison. Then throw in Watson.

Neal Bullen, Lukosius, Cummings, Rosas, plus Draper or similar, could be am important step.

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Certainly adds speed.