List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[1970crow]

If we nail pick 4 this year there is no reason why we won’t be good enough to contend. Unfortunately with how our build is done we have 3-4 players 30 and over who have been b Greta players but are all falling away. 4-5 between 26-29 of which only a couple are quality and then we are pretty much 23 and under. Our list balance is totally out of whack. Hawks have around a dozen in that 25-29 space that are all good contributors
So it’s going to take time for our 20-22 yr olds to get the list back in shape


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There is no way that adding a successful pick 4 to our list results in us having a multi-year top 4 contending group. That said, the current crop of contending teams don't look like they'd stack up too well against the Cats or Hawks 3peat groups. It does seem more even, except Brisbane and Dogs, who's fully fit lists are incredibly stacked. They must benefit from the Costa living allowance too.

 

[1970crow]

Maybe they have seen the improvement in his game and are keen to see him develop further?

And a 1 year extension aligns perfectly with that.

 

[GreyCrow]

4-5 between 26-29 of which only a couple are quality and then we are pretty much 23 and under. Our list balance is totally out of whack. Hawks have around a dozen in that 25-29 space that are all good contributors

We have 9 in that age bracket - which I noticed you shrunk after I showed your previous 25-30 was also incorrect

Now as to the quality I wont argue that point - but Hawks would also say the same

 

[1970crow]

Selection is a different issue, but given butts is regularly injured, Murray is coming off a serious knee (and injured it again) and Keane could be a chocolate or a boiled lolly very easily, I don’t see it as a big risk at all.

It's uneccessary, we've also got Burgess who we touted as a swing man. We made the minimum number of changes last year and are doing it again this year. We'll keep Borlase for 2 years and then he'll be gone and he'll not have contributed to a flag push at all. If we get enough injuries and choose to keep playing 3 talls, maybe his selection helps us win a game or 2 and we finish 10th instead of 12th. There's just zero value in retaining known depth given where we presently sit.

 

[FR0GGY]

It's uneccessary, we've also got Burgess who we touted as a swing man. We made the minimum number of changes last year and are doing it again this year. We'll keep Borlase for 2 years and then he'll be gone and he'll not have contributed to a flag push at all. If we get enough injuries and choose to keep playing 3 talls, maybe his selection helps us win a game or 2 and we finish 10th instead of 12th. There's just zero value in retaining known depth given where we presently sit.

I think burgess is gone.

 

[1970crow]

I think burgess is gone.

A poster here has stated they know as a matter of fact that he is contracted for 2025. And it's not one of those look at me people. We just gave Borlase 2 years, it's not hard to see us adding a year to Burgess if he asked. And even without him, we need 2 injuries to 4 players before playing him and even then, we'd be playing 3 key talls and I'm not convinced that's ever necessary.

 

[1970crow]

Where is Max?

I initially had him in a back pocket, deleted him to move to half back and and then forgot about him altogether. Bond to bench options and Max to pocket. Even more obvious that Borlase spot should have been used on a speculative key back. Doubt there’s much difference in height between Max and Botlase, who is only 192cm anyway.

 

[crow2crow]

You seriously reckon that we have a list management committee that includes Roo, Kelly &Nix and JR just decides all by himself that we should extend Borlase by 2 years?

he has to sign it off.... they all as bad as each other

problem is with borlase its clearly objective because some on here think hes as good as butts murray and keane

 

[Crow till I die]

I initially had him in a back pocket, deleted him to move to half back and and then forgot about him altogether. Bond to bench options and Max to pocket. Even more obvious that Borlase spot should have been used on a speculative key back. Doubt there’s much difference in height between Max and Botlase, who is only 192cm anyway.

Body strength wise, borlase is much the stronger hence why he can play key back. Max is suited to the mid sized forwards and small forwards but he should be first picked in any backline we have...absolute quality player

 

[crow2crow]

A poster here has stated they know as a matter of fact that he is contracted for 2025. And it's not one of those look at me people. We just gave Borlase 2 years, it's not hard to see us adding a year to Burgess if he asked. And even without him, we need 2 injuries to 4 players before playing him and even then, we'd be playing 3 key talls and I'm not convinced that's ever necessary.

fiveaa have reiterated three times this week that burgess is out of contract. maybe he is maybe he isnt but they probably know hes going and don't understand the intricacies of contracts. it is very odd that footywires data changed three days ago...

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Actually FWIW, I think we might have a similar setup re cumming and Hamill. If we don't get cumming Hamill will be retained.

These suggest that the club doesn't consider Luko or Cumming to be done deals. Far from it.

We should be retaining Hamill over Smith!

 

[jackster83]

The List Management Committee. The 4-5 people that meet regularly to make decisions on player contracts, acquisitions, pick trades, extensions and delistings and then set JR on the path to make it happen. He is absolutely 1 of the 4-5 involved in making the decisi9n itself, but he most certainly doesn't have unilateral power.

The lack of pressure on Adam Kelly is criminal. He's the head of arguably the worst football department in the league. He never should have been appointed after the disaster that was Burton.

Spend the money and get someone experienced you morons.

 

[1970crow]

he has to sign it off.... they all as bad as each other

problem is with borlase its clearly objective because some on here think hes as good as butts murray and keane

No he doesn’t have to sign it off, the decision of the group is the decision of the group. The group make a decision and he Is then tasked with executing it. It’s not certain that they’re all incompetent but what is certain is that as a group they are.

 

[FR0GGY]

No he doesn’t have to sign it off, the decision of the group is the decision of the group. The group make a decision and he Is then tasked with executing it. It’s not certain that they’re all incompetent but what is certain is that as a group they are.

Well Justin should pipe up and say I’ll look like an idiot if I do what you all ask of me

 

[Cleric]

So we only have 6 uncontracted players left on the list, and have to take a minimum of three picks in the draft, that only allows us to bring in three players via trade.
We currently have four we are chasing.
Luko, ANB, Cummins and Rosas.
We won't be able to get all of them, so as a priority it would be Luko, ANB and Cummins I would assume, although I think ANB is a waste of time.

 

[1990crow]

So we only have 6 uncontracted players left on the list, and have to take a minimum of three picks in the draft, that only allows us to bring in three players via trade.
We currently have four we are chasing.
Luko, ANB, Cummins and Rosas.
We won't be able to get all of them, so as a priority it would be Luko, ANB and Cummins I would assume, although I think ANB is a waste of time.

Simple analysis, doesn't consider rookie list and senior list.

 

[Caputo]

I would like to through this dead cat in. Murphy's AFL Rating better than some posters think. Or does he not pass the eye test.

 

[GreyCrow]

I would like to through this dead cat in. Murphy's AFL Rating better than some posters think. Or does he not pass the eye test.
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What is the context to these stats?

What is he measured against?

 

[DJ75]

Gut feel is that Suns aren't negotiating based on having to quit him. They're valuing him as a contracted past pick 2 that has barely missed a game, has distinctive positive attribute, is in his prime and has many years ahead of him. I know he was recently dropped, but that's about lacking value in their system, not lack of value in the overall market.

Incredible the difference now they aren't negotiating with Geelong.

 

[DJ75]

The lack of pressure on Adam Kelly is criminal. He's the head of arguably the worst football department in the league. He never should have been appointed after the disaster that was Burton.

Spend the money and get someone experienced you morons.

He's absolutely hopeless.
I've heard a few stories of him that are non-football related. None of them suggest he's a good operator.
Another of our utterly stupid decisions.

 

[ABAB]

I would like to through this dead cat in. Murphy's AFL Rating better than some posters think. Or does he not pass the eye test.
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What about the 4th quarters this year.......

 

[1970crow]

Well Justin should pipe up and say I’ll look like an idiot if I do what you all ask of me

His job is literally to have his say and then execute the decision of the collective. I’m not saying he’s not a part of the problem, but we need to be realistic as to how list management decisions are made.

 

[FR0GGY]

His job is literally to have his say and then execute the decision of the collective. I’m not saying he’s not a part of the problem, but we need to be realistic as to how list management decisions are made.

Honestly I just need some sackings

 

[1970crow]

Honestly I just need some sackings

Roo, Nix and Kelly is where we need to start. Silvers too, given the 2nd and 3rd are still there. Then the rest of th3 board with VB and then Ogilvie and Reid can be looked at.

 

[FR0GGY]

Roo, Nix and Kelly is where we need to start. Silvers too, given the 2nd and 3rd are still there. Then the rest of th3 board with VB and then Ogilvie and Reid can be looked at.

Sounds good to me.