Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Aphrodite]

Broadcast Guide - Live Draft ...

1st Round tonight (20th Nov) from 7.00PM
2nd Round tomorrow night (21st Nov) from 7.00PM

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View all the picks as they happen at the AFL National Draft

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[Blue_Fusion]

Austin's been labelled a pushover at times because he does deals quickly and doesnt negotiate as ruthlessly as others. Hes not the guy that is going to be arguing till the deadline over a 4th round pick. Not his style.

This is where it works for you. Bris F2 for 31 was unders for us but got it done quick. Offered F1+F2 straight up for 14. Ended up about market but we got there quicker then others. Just look at pies initial offer for 13.

Put us in the position to nab 3. Other list managers more preoccupied with winning every trade wouldnt have had the assets to jump at that opportunity.

Yeah, at first glance, I was like what the hell is he doing? We should have got better value for #31...

But once all the pieces were put together, it made sense. Can't trade F1 + F2 unless you have another F2.

The initial goal was to get another first rounder...

Contrast to the Eagles who wanted to play hardball over a couple of token picks... once they dug themselves into a hole, Austin was quick to swoop in and we ended up with Jagger Smith as a result.

 

[Jimmae]

It was a seriously amazing outcome for the club to snag a player like Jagga whilst being a finals team in flag contention.

I mean we basically cashed out of the top 35 in two drafts to make it happen, including coughing up players like Taj Hotton, Cooper Hynes, and Bo Allan along the way. Apparently we could have got a future first and change off North for pick 14 too!

So no, it's not some incredible twist of fate, we've put a lot of eggs in the basket for this one, and we've still got so little faith in the depth chart at either end we're hosting a veritable gaggle of mature talls for one list spot.

It's a gamble. We've got a very good player, and we've got some other solid players, but we're cashing in on the depth of the list and the fortune of securing the Campo twins and Duffy.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I mean we basically cashed out of the top 35 in two drafts to make it happen, including coughing up players like Taj Hotton, Cooper Hynes, and Bo Allan along the way. Apparently we could have got a future first and change off North for pick 14 too!

So no, it's not some incredible twist of fate, we've put a lot of eggs in the basket for this one, and we've still got so little faith in the depth chart at either end we're hosting a veritable gaggle of mature talls for one list spot.

It's a gamble. We've got a very good player, and we've got some other solid players, but we're cashing in on the depth of the list and the fortune of securing the Campo twins and Duffy.

Maybe you missed it, but the Tigers took Taj before we would have been able to pick him had we kept pick 12 anyway...

We wouldn't have got "change" from North had we kept 14. That pick pushed out to 17. It would have been 17 for their F1.

We also have the fortune of Cody Walker in a couple years time...

 

[zeeCFC]

I mean we basically cashed out of the top 35 in two drafts to make it happen, including coughing up players like Taj Hotton, Cooper Hynes, and Bo Allan along the way. Apparently we could have got a future first and change off North for pick 14 too!

So no, it's not some incredible twist of fate, we've put a lot of eggs in the basket for this one, and we've still got so little faith in the depth chart at either end we're hosting a veritable gaggle of mature talls for one list spot.

It's a gamble. We've got a very good player, and we've got some other solid players, but we're cashing in on the depth of the list and the fortune of securing the Campo twins an

We have Jack Ison who could be taken within 40 next year (without looking at the nga changes). We can also trade our 2026 first into 2025 with the thought that Cody Walker will be a first rounder.

Could very likely end up with a first and second round pick quite easily. In fact, I've always wondered why we don't always trade future firsts into the current year.

 

[ferrisb]

Never heard of Charleson. Will be a Star. Plays Rd One

Soapy, you're the fifth Harry!

 

[Bearded Carpenter]

Woke up abruptly in a sweat

Night terrors?

Campo to campo to oh my, lord to Harry to Harry to Harry to Harry, Jagga is dancing around, picks up ball on the run and nails a dart pass to captain crippa who bananas the nugget from 30 out in a tight angle to put the blues in front, 2 seconds to go in the 2025 GF….

Beautiful world we live in.

Bounce the ball FFS

 

[teddy-hopkins]

What i take away from this is ... don't get between Nick Austin and a bag of ovalteenies

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They are disgusting. I really start to question his judgement.

 

[Jimmae]

Maybe you missed it, but the Tigers took Taj before we would have been able to pick him had we kept pick 12 anyway...

We wouldn't have got "change" from North had we kept 14. That pick pushed out to 17. It would have been 17 for their F1.

We also have the fortune of Cody Walker in a couple years time...

Fair, I've got some of the picks muddled, but still Allan and Hynes. Can't imagine it would have been hard to move from our original 1st rounder to the pick Richmond used on Hotton though. You're right that North would have wanted a straight swap, but that's still a favourable deal, and it may have net us some later pick swaps to give us the ability to manoeuvre in the 2nd round.

Walker is one player, we've got problems on the horizon in the midfield next and over the next 3 years, and we're going to have to get pretty creative to solve them.

 

[RPCB]

Lucky Shifter wasn't involved in the coverage - he'd have me thinking he's the next Andrew McLeod

Not with that attitude he won’t be the next Andrew McLeod.

 

[Foucault1989]

Fair, I've got some of the picks muddled, but still Allan and Hynes. Can't imagine it would have been hard to move from our original 1st rounder to the pick Richmond used on Hotton though. You're right that North would have wanted a straight swap, but that's still a favourable deal, and it may have net us some later pick swaps to give us the ability to manoeuvre in the 2nd round.

Walker is one player, we've got problems on the horizon in the midfield next and over the next 3 years, and we're going to have to get pretty creative to solve them.

Our midfield depth is all pretty young...

Walsh, Cerra, Hollands brothers, Campo, Jagga, Lord. We also need a couple of players to round this out.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

According to a few articles on the AFL website he is already on the list, but there hasn't been an official announcement by the club yet.

Not on the draft guru list which now includes yesterday's rookie draft

Carlton Playing List for 2025 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

Not on the club site which is still the 2024 list

Official AFL Website of the Carlton Football Club

The official AFL website of the Carlton Football Club.

www.carltonfc.com.au

And not one of the cat B added yesterday in the AFL article

Ex-Saint's lifeline, Lions pick former Sun, nine new rookies taken

Check out all the picks from the 2024 Telstra AFL Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts

www.afl.com.au

Six clubs also added Next Generation Academy players to their lists as category B rookies: Jayden Nguyen (Essendon), Lachlan Gulbin (Gold Coast), Josaia Delana (GWS), Ricky Mentha (Melbourne), Benny Barrett (Port Adelaide) and Malakai Champion (West Coast)

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I mean we basically cashed out of the top 35 in two drafts to make it happen, including coughing up players like Taj Hotton, Cooper Hynes, and Bo Allan along the way. Apparently we could have got a future first and change off North for pick 14 too!

So no, it's not some incredible twist of fate, we've put a lot of eggs in the basket for this one, and we've still got so little faith in the depth chart at either end we're hosting a veritable gaggle of mature talls for one list spot.

It's a gamble. We've got a very good player, and we've got some other solid players, but we're cashing in on the depth of the list and the fortune of securing the Campo twins and Duffy.

What?

Norf were not offering their future first for a pick starting at Pick 8 until well into the trade period, maybe not until after trade period had finished.
Certainly not before they ended up having to trade pick 25 for Auskick right at the death.

So we sit on our hands, in the vain hope we get in on that action and WC has done pick 3 with someone else?

Getting someone like Jagga when in contention is unbelievable outside of Academy/father son luck and then we get B Campo at a big discount with Walker to come.

That’s regenerating the midfield with absolute quality on the run at the same time as completely changing the existing dynamic of a one paced midfield.

You can’t replace Crippa, he’s generational, but George is easily replaced and Walsh/Cerra/Hollands boys/Jagga/Walker/Campos is a very good nucleus for the next 10 years.

The midfield is set for many many trade/draft periods, allowing us to continue to concentrating on regenerating other parts of the list.



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[Ninja Worrier]

Fair, I've got some of the picks muddled, but still Allan and Hynes. Can't imagine it would have been hard to move from our original 1st rounder to the pick Richmond used on Hotton though. You're right that North would have wanted a straight swap, but that's still a favourable deal, and it may have net us some later pick swaps to give us the ability to manoeuvre in the 2nd round.

Walker is one player, we've got problems on the horizon in the midfield next and over the next 3 years, and we're going to have to get pretty creative to solve them.

This is all flawed and moot though. We effectively had two spots and were always going to pick a KPD...so in the end it sounds like we got the tall we wanted, and maximized our final pick to 3

 

[teddy-hopkins]

It was a seriously amazing outcome for the club to snag a player like Jagga whilst being a finals team in flag contention. By far the best performed player in his draft year and could be a generational player.

So many things needed to happen to get to that point which was meticulously planned by the list management team:
-Let Houston go to a rival despite him wanting Carlton and overruling Voss
-Found a willing seller (Hawthorn) to gain a second 2024 1st round pick. Many teams were trying to buy back in at the same time and later on.
-Struck early and took advantage of the Eagles’ desperation to get to Pick 3
-Held firm and took Jagga, the right choice IMO

We saved huge coin for the next 3 years (Houston v Jagga) and picked up a longer term player, in a more influential field position and likely to have a better career, potentially moving the needle significantly in our premiership window whilst freeing up cash for TDK and others.

Also compare the deal we got to get pick 14 and eventually pick 3 vs the huge premium required to get back in closer to the draft. North paid huge overs (despite their future first being so much more valuable than ours) and other clubs couldn’t afford to get back in. Saints found themselves just outside the premium picks with no way to trade up.

Not since SOS in 2015 have we seen such creativity to secure premium draft capital. And this time we didn’t have to lose any players of note to do it.

Yeah it's all distorted during trade period but would anyone here trade Houston for Jagga right now?

Would be the minority I'd guess.

A 15 year gun mid vs a 5 year half back flank? Hardly a tough decision.

Well done to Austin. I like how he is looking at the big picture.

 

[CoachB]

What?

Norf were not offering their future first for a pick starting at Pick 8 until well into the trade period, maybe not until after trade period had finished.
Certainly not before they ended up having to trade pick 25 for Auskick right at the death.

So we sit on our hands, in the vain hope we get in on that action and WC has done pick 3 with someone else?

Getting someone like Jagga when in contention is unbelievable outside of Academy/father son luck and then we get B Campo at a big discount with Walker to come.

That’s regenerating the midfield with absolute quality on the run at the same time as completely changing the existing dynamic of a one paced midfield.

You can’t replace Crippa, he’s generational, but George is easily replaced and Walsh/Cerra/Hollands boys/Jagga/Walker/Campos is a very good nucleus for the next 10 years.

The midfield is set for many many trade/draft periods, allowing us to continue to concentrating on regenerating other parts of the list.



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Start with LDU in free agency next year.

 

[myblueroan]

So we didn't pick up the 2nd Campo kid?
Just Benny?

Or did I miss it?

 

[Red Bull]

Terrific Performance from Austin and his team
Just one final request if i may …
Turn the page from the forever unavailable Durdin and move on …

 

[CJMB]

So we didn't pick up the 2nd Campo kid?
Just Benny?

Or did I miss it?

You missed it. Ben at 43, Lucas at 54.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

So we didn't pick up the 2nd Campo kid?
Just Benny?

Or did I miss it?

 

[Stamos]

Not on the draft guru list which now includes yesterday's rookie draft

Carlton Playing List for 2025 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

Not on the club site which is still the 2024 list

Official AFL Website of the Carlton Football Club

The official AFL website of the Carlton Football Club.

www.carltonfc.com.au

And not one of the cat B added yesterday in the AFL article

INS AND OUTS: Every club's full list changes ahead of 2025

IN
Matt Duffy (Category B rookie)

AFL website published yesterday

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Our small forwards are really going to need to perform because this is where our next mini-rebuild is coming from IMO.

Seems to be our current LM blind spot

 

[macky99]

Fair, I've got some of the picks muddled, but still Allan and Hynes. Can't imagine it would have been hard to move from our original 1st rounder to the pick Richmond used on Hotton though. You're right that North would have wanted a straight swap, but that's still a favourable deal, and it may have net us some later pick swaps to give us the ability to manoeuvre in the 2nd round.

Walker is one player, we've got problems on the horizon in the midfield next and over the next 3 years, and we're going to have to get pretty creative to solve them.

Gee not sure you have been understanding Austin's objective here, clearly he rated the top end of the draft highly hence the reason to trade up, all the top 5 picks are exceptional talents better than the next tier.

Despite some negativity Austin continues to do a pretty sound job with identifying talent & overall list management.

The real improvement is going to come from a healthy list & 2-3 of the young players Smith & Moir and Wilson stepping up.

 

[no. 4]

I know it's all done and dusted now and B. Campos was able to slip passed pick 40 but if a team had bid on him, I assume we would have simply traded out that pick for a future second or future 3rd and then traded back in a few picks later. It looked as though the Brisban Lions did a few pick swaps when their academy kid was bid on a few picks after B. Campo to enable them to get their kid for next to nothing.

 

[RPCB]

Jagger, HOF, Campo twins and rookied a speedy hbf that has a decent kick.

Pretty solid outcome I'd say.

SOP? Son of Peter.

 

[DangerousD]

mean we basically cashed out of the top 35 in two drafts to make it happen, including coughing up players like Taj Hotton, Cooper Hynes, and Bo Allan along the way. Apparently we could have got a future first and change off North for pick 14 too!

Except we didn’t, we had pick 3 and unless Brisbane win the flag again next year, we will have pick 35, so that’s two picks within 35.

Why make the cut of 35 in your post? Why not 38, is it because we had a pick at that number?