Analysis 2024 National Draft

Who do you want at our first pick?

  • Bo Allan

    Votes: 6 1.5%
  • Joe Berry

    Votes: 30 7.5%
  • Tobie Travaglia

    Votes: 15 3.8%
  • Harry Armstrong

    Votes: 7 1.8%
  • Jobe Shanahan

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Xavier Lindsay

    Votes: 5 1.3%
  • Taj Hotton

    Votes: 11 2.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 12 3.0%
  • Sid Draper

    Votes: 133 33.4%
  • Finn O'Sullivan

    Votes: 56 14.1%
  • Sam Lalor

    Votes: 28 7.0%
  • Josh Smillie

    Votes: 3 0.8%
  • Jagga Smith

    Votes: 92 23.1%

  • Total voters
    398
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I didn't realise he's a local from down my way - from the Mt Martha Junior Footy Factory. It's amazing the number of AFL players they've produced in recent years, and they don't even have a senior team!!!

How's this lot?
  • Jacob Weitering
  • Lachie Whitfield
  • Tom De Koning
  • Sam De Koning
  • Hunter Clark
  • Nic Newman
  • Cooper Simpson
  • Billy Hartung

If Langford happens to be selected at pick 1, it'll be the third number 1 draft pick they've produced over the past decade or so.
Can't remember Mt. Martha winning a game when I played junior footy for them.
We were the St. Kilda of our time... might have been a poor choice of team colours to borrow.
 
Him, Sam Mitchell, Dane swan. These guys not fast. Not slow. Elusive strong etc. Just think these are the sorts you go after. Pure footballers. Too much stock into being 0.02 seconds faster over 20m. Meaningless if you can read the play and be on the move before your opponent has reacted. I think Cerra has some of those traits but just no where near enough. Would love that midfield general this draft. Direct setups, read the play, kick and handball with vision....

Flankers need leg speed. Midfielders need vision.
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With regards to Langford, can people elaborate on, not quick? In relation to who? Is he faster than Hewett, Cripps, Doch, Hollands?

We have a few players with average pace, we dont need players who are super fast, we just need a few players who are faster.
 

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Your describing Langford. Smith is not elite ball user
Langford is a more powerful kick here and now and gets more ball speed that makes him more deadly when kicking over 40 metres, but to decry Smith as not being elite with the ball in hand is absolutely ridiculous.

You're making him sound like Richard Tambling. Smith will put on a bit of size very quickly, he's almost got the body of a marathon runner at the moment, and it shows in his work rate and time trials.

I expect Smith to get notably quicker and more agile in an elite program, and that's saying something because he's already zipping about.
The closer we get to draft night, the higher Langford will be on most people’s list.

He may not have the speed we seem to be crying out for, but I’d argue we need someone that can deliver a footy inside 50 as good as he does just as much.
In our midfield mix, he's not going to get enough time and he's going to get scragged. He will break more tackles than Kennedy, but he won't break or escape as many as Cripps.

I like him, but I think he will be made to look a lot more ordinary a lot more often at AFL level. Expecting him to slide, and at this point Twomey would be the only one who is big on his draft rating, probably because he'd love him at Essendon.
Sam Lalor fits the bill - if this doesn't sell you on him I don't know what will. I can see why he won't be there at pick 3.


You can see how hampered he is there by hip and hamstring concerns. Broke through tackles because he's probably over 90 kgs playing against kids, but he needs to trim down and do more focused conditioning work.

As for Dusty MK II, I think there's a Stingrays player a little outside the top 10 who plays a lot like Dustin too, but I'm sure Richmond are keeping quiet about that so he's there for one of their later picks. :)
 
Him, Sam Mitchell, Dane swan. These guys not fast. Not slow. Elusive strong etc. Just think these are the sorts you go after. Pure footballers. Too much stock into being 0.02 seconds faster over 20m. Meaningless if you can read the play and be on the move before your opponent has reacted. I think Cerra has some of those traits but just no where near enough. Would love that midfield general this draft. Direct setups, read the play, kick and handball with vision....

Flankers need leg speed. Midfielders need vision.
Now what were the strengths of Ben Cousins, Chris Judd, Jason Akermanis, Adam Cooney etc? There are many different types of successful midfielders. We already have a couple of slower, elusive, powerful types.
 
Interesting that the Bombers delisted one of the Davey twins. 2 very similar players who haven't shown a lot and with list spots tight one had to go due to Kako coming in.

The Campos at least seem to be different types of players. There is a risk taking F&S just because they are. Despite this I think it is crazy how far they seem to have dropped off the radar.
 
Now what were the strengths of Ben Cousins, Chris Judd, Jason Akermanis, Adam Cooney etc? There are many different types of successful midfielders. We already have a couple of slower, elusive, powerful types.
we already have elusive types who distribute and read the play? Generals? Who? Where? If there was a Judd or cousins in this draft you'd take them. They have all of the above.

We have Walsh - who doesn't read the play well at all. He runs all day and needs to be directed. He needs to be a receiver and cosntant link player.

We have Cripps who is all power and burst and a freak. But not a cerebral player.

We have Hewett. The defensive minded piece.

We have Cerra who is reserved and not a leader. Doesn't have those traits.

Throwing in a bloke who's primary attribute is leg speed doesn't make sense to me. We have heaps of run. Midfield generated speed on the ball more efficiently more often through good distribution to fast flankers/ moving talls/ good handball patterns. Not by running a little bit quicker. We don't have enough footy IQ in the middle. Not even close. Lachie Neale, Dunkley, Ashcroft... These aren't fast midfielders. They're strong runners, they're intelligent. They're good distributors.

Pendles, Swan, Beams, Adams, sidebottom..... Speed was brought by Varcoe types on the outside.

Dow was fast. Fast gets blocked at stoppage. Draper reads like dow to me, maybe not even that good. Good stoppage player average vision average disposal. Not a cerebral player. I'd hope we go for one of these pure midfielders. Langford, jagga, Lalor if there.

I'm really not fussed by speed. Good rotations and fast flankers - which is all the hawks have done - is a method that continuously works.

Richmond had prestia Grigg cotchin etc running around. Dusty power but not fast. Then the flankers brought the crazy speed.
 
Yeah it's odd. Pendles wasn't even slow coming out. 3.01 20m sprint when 10th this year was a 2.98.

Cripps was 3.23 Bont 3.20.

By comparison jagga Smith 3.04. 'slower' than pendles.
Him, Sam Mitchell, Dane swan. These guys not fast. Not slow. Elusive strong etc. Just think these are the sorts you go after. Pure footballers. Too much stock into being 0.02 seconds faster over 20m. Meaningless if you can read the play and be on the move before your opponent has reacted. I think Cerra has some of those traits but just no where near enough. Would love that midfield general this draft. Direct setups, read the play, kick and handball with vision....

Flankers need leg speed. Midfielders need vision.
This is a bit disingenuous from you: timed speed from a dead start in a testing environment is not the same as consistency of performance on game day across a season, across a junior career. Sometimes the day and conditions are right and it confirm what you see on tape, sometimes it causes concern. This is a nothing result.

Yes they get 3 attempts, but not everyone is a track star, not everyone bothers to train in runners on a basketball court. I think the testing shows that with his current frame and technique, he's not particularly strong through the legs and benefits a bit from the softer surface.

I think he'll time quicker after a bit of specialised sprint work in pre-season, and he'll go from strength to strength. As I said above, currently built like a marathon runner, but the tap shows borderline elite pace and agility.

He's got a lot of development scope, and may never be a pure on-baller, but we don't need that from him. Happy to have someone who can burn away on the wing, HF, the centre bounce, or in on-ball stints with the kind of read and execution he has in the heat of the moment.
 
we already have elusive types who distribute and read the play? Generals? Who? Where? If there was a Judd or cousins in this draft you'd take them. They have all of the above.

We have Walsh - who doesn't read the play well at all. He runs all day and needs to be directed. He needs to be a receiver and cosntant link player.

We have Cripps who is all power and burst and a freak. But not a cerebral player.

We have Hewett. The defensive minded piece.

We have Cerra who is reserved and not a leader. Doesn't have those traits.

Throwing in a bloke who's primary attribute is leg speed doesn't make sense to me. We have heaps of run. Midfield generated speed on the ball more efficiently more often through good distribution to fast flankers/ moving talls/ good handball patterns. Not by running a little bit quicker. We don't have enough footy IQ in the middle. Not even close. Lachie Neale, Dunkley, Ashcroft... These aren't fast midfielders. They're strong runners, they're intelligent. They're good distributors.

Pendles, Swan, Beams, Adams, sidebottom..... Speed was brought by Varcoe types on the outside.

Dow was fast. Fast gets blocked at stoppage. Draper reads like dow to me, maybe not even that good. Good stoppage player average vision average disposal. Not a cerebral player. I'd hope we go for one of these pure midfielders. Langford, jagga, Lalor if there.

I'm really not fussed by speed. Good rotations and fast flankers - which is all the hawks have done - is a method that continuously works.

Richmond had prestia Grigg cotchin etc running around. Dusty power but not fast. Then the flankers brought the crazy speed.
Draper is leagues ahead of Dow at stoppage and in terms of pace.

It's derivative to say Draper fast, so Draper Dow, so Draper fail.
 
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Langford was 8th in the 2km time trial too!

8. Harvey Langford (Dandenong Stingrays/Mount Martha) – 6:24

Our own Sam Walsh came 3rd in his year at 6:07, only 17 seconds faster... whilst Nick Daicos came 1st at 6:32. So Langford is between those two!!!
It’s not good running. 6’24” is not “great runner” standard.
 

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