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Analysis 2024 National Draft
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I would be totally fine with drafting Langford at pick 3.
For us? Draper, Jagga, FOS, Lalor, Langford
The media pretty much always seem to know who we are looking at drafting so i dont think it will be a surprise leading up to and including draft night
1. Smith
2. Draper
3. Lalor
4. Langford
5. FOS
2. Draper
3. Lalor
4. Langford
5. FOS
Whilst it is highly likely we will be take one of Smith/Draper or Fos, quite a number of us have a more balanced view rather than speed/athletic skills being the sole criteria.
Langford is behind those mentioned in the 1st five metres for leg speed, but if you analyse what he brings, is a elite ball user strong over head and a very good endurance runner most likely will be very capable of playing mid/half forward, Lalor is the only one capable of the same, Fos had a average 24 season and will be picked on 23 form, so some risk there.
Langford is significantly in front of Smillie, whilst we most likely won't get Langford l am expecting him to be top 3 from this draft in 3 years time.
It’s not a poor question if you understand the point I am making. Bont’s profile is very similar to Langford at the same age. Similar pace and style.
That’s exactly what you do when you profile a draftee, project the best and worst case scenario and align that to current and past players for illustrative purposes.
In regards to defensive midfielder, I am of the view all AFL players require a defensive mindset which is reinforced through game plan , positioning , structure, intent etc. I really don’t get your point ? It is generally overly offensive players that are the concern
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'Stuck on buzzword speed doesn't want Langford. Only leg speed counts.'
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You've just described Elijah Hollands... Who whilst an awesome addition to our team this year, is not the answer to what we're missing currently in our midfield.
Our list teams put in writing what they think we're missing - A fast, hard running, explosive midfielder.
We didn't trade up practically all our draft capital and pass on one of the best ball users in the league in Houston to take a player that doesn't fit that criteria at all and we already have similar on our list but he's a good ball user so it's all fine.
Logically makes absolutely 0 sense.
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Exactly. It's that simple. He also reads the play better than the other 5. Doesn't rely on athleticism to make up for poor positioning which is an issue Carlton fans should be aware of considering our draft history.
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I'm off, you're a melon.
Don’t like the name…
Or Draper
Yeah. Reality is we’ll be 95% certain who we’re drafting when Cal drops his final phantom draft.
His sources, intel with recruiters, list managers & player managers is second to none in the draft space.
He rarely misses.
When Austin made those comments about pace and run we didn't have pick 3. I think at that pick he goes best available. They all add something in different ways. What we ultimately need is the best possible player. So I have no issue if we draft Langford.
That said, it sounds like it's a marginal decision in which case player type and what fits our needs best probably comes back into it.
That said, it sounds like it's a marginal decision in which case player type and what fits our needs best probably comes back into it.
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I love his pressure ability as a mid and his athleticism is absolutely top shelf. Seems a future captain and great kid as well
My concern for him is his kicking. We are already weak in that category. I love the kid tho. If the club think they can make his kicking competent (like Cripps did) then I’d absolutely say pick him.
FOS Jagga Draper all great options though. All will be better than Cerra in time imo, and if Cerra is your 4th or 5th best mid, jeez you’re doing well
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FOS literally played 80% HF and 20% mid in his VFL game. And even though he only had 12 touches, 6 were score involvements and he kicked 2.1 (should’ve been 3.0). To suggest he isn’t capable of playing that position is just wrong.
Draper and Smith both have traits that would allow them to be successful small forwards but have played almost exclusively midfield this year.
All of Langford/Lalor/FOS are mids who can play forward/hit the scoreboard.
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Cal Twomey has mentioned Langford to be in contention for our pick 3 numerous times
He really likes Langford. Has talked him up all year.
I guess lm trying to say that foot speed around stoppages is a factor. I don’t disagree with the other points you made re positioning mindset etc but the athletic component does matter. The midfielder we take doesn’t need to be super quick but does need to be much better than the likes of Cripps, hewett and Kennedy.
We currently have an all time great midfielder in the centre in Cripps but yet we get flogged out of the centre at times. I believe this is partly because stoppages have become less congested and slowish midfielders are struggling to defend the extra space. If they don’t get hands to ball first they’re unable to chase effectively, apply pressure and win the ball back.
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I think if I had to characterize how I see the current top 5 by ceiling and floor
Sam Lalor
Ceiling - Jordan De Goey
Floor - Mitch Robinson
Finn O'Sullivan
Ceiling - Patrick Dangerfield
Floor - Gary Rohan
Jagga Smith
Ceiling - Errol Gulden
Floor - Caleb Daniel
Sid Draper
Ceiling - Adam Treloar
Floor - Paddy Dow
Harvey Langford
Ceiling - Patrick Cripps
Floor - Will Brodie
In terms of style and impact
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Sam Lalor
Ceiling - Jordan De Goey
Floor - Mitch Robinson
Finn O'Sullivan
Ceiling - Patrick Dangerfield
Floor - Gary Rohan
Jagga Smith
Ceiling - Errol Gulden
Floor - Caleb Daniel
Sid Draper
Ceiling - Adam Treloar
Floor - Paddy Dow
Harvey Langford
Ceiling - Patrick Cripps
Floor - Will Brodie
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Player recruitment is such a subjective topic, probably best we revisit in 3 years time, Langford will be a significantly better player than both Kennedy & Elijah the names you have put up as a comparison, if this was any other year and our mid field did not lack some speed, Langford is in front of the others, so it is more about need than selecting the most all round talented player.
TDK missing for a crucial period late in the season & Walsh and Cerra well below their best was also a key factor.
If I remember right, Simon black wasn’t exactly quick but what a footballer…he did have a few quicker around him though.
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The concern is, how long has it taken Cripps to improve his kicking to a not great but satisfactory level?
It's not a technique thing more what's going on in your brain, it's created in your formative years.
When your young if you lack pace you have to improvise, create and outsmart (high footy IQ), while the ones with speed just used pace to get by.
The trick is to get a player that has both, they are the best chance to become a 400-game player which you'd think, would be the aspirations of any LM and team.
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