Analysis 2024 National Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[CrippaTheGoat9]

Apparently Voss has recently flown to Adelaide to speak with Draper.

Vossy has met with all 5 candidates in the past week

 

[Juice030103]

My preference order excluding Lalor and Ashcroft:
1. Draper.
2. Smith.
3. Langford.
4. FOS.

I wouldn't even consider FOS at pick 3. I think he is the most likely to be the bust of the draft. He seems like a very laid back lad compared to the others who are ultimate professionals. He hasn't shown he can accumulate against under 18s and to be honest his highlights are very average.

I feel like a lot of people are just agreeing we should take him because everyone says he is good. Objectively when you watch him play he is a rung below the other contenders who have runs on the board. And I don't want excuses about his broken finger. I just think he is a talented kid without the intensity and drive compared to the others.

Draper had performed against men. He is the real deal.

Draper also the best athlete and pressure mid out of everyone

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

Based on highlights, FOS looks like Lalor cross Smith. Has a bag of tricks, can mark, quick, damaging, agile. Wonder why his possession totals were so low?

My guess is on such a low game count this year that he was underdone and used for impact rather than as a battering ram. Also, with the "sure things" there seems less pressure on their development teams to risk burnout or injury in the pursuit of helping them be picked up in the draft. Just a thought

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[Jimmae]

Perhaps the scenario is that Richmond don't take Lalor at 1 and then try to buy back in at 3.

If North retain 2, maybe. If they give it to Adelaide, no way.

If Lalor is there at 3 we'd take him, he's the perfect fit for us.

Not sure how a general forward your would hope transitions to AFL mid is perfect for us?

I'd take him, but he's not improving our forward pressure or ground level game outright, we'd need to rework our structure and rely on him, Charlie, and Harry winning a lot of 1v1s, and generally a much quicker transition out of defence.

Tigers aren’t offering that for pick 2 so it won’t be on the table

As has been mentioned many times, even on this page, it wouldn't just be the one pick sent over by us, and perhaps it might be 3/4, 37/38, and our future 3rd (AFL approval required).

Richmond probably asked for North's future second, and North would have wanted a sweetener from Richmond.

Melbourne's interest in Tauru would have shifted their focus, and that was that.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

My preference order excluding Lalor and Ashcroft:
1. Draper.
2. Smith.
3. Langford.
4. FOS.

I wouldn't even consider FOS at pick 3. I think he is the most likely to be the bust of the draft. He seems like a very laid back lad compared to the others who are ultimate professionals. He hasn't shown he can accumulate against under 18s and to be honest his highlights are very average.

I feel like a lot of people are just agreeing we should take him because everyone says he is good. Objectively when you watch him play he is a rung below the other contenders who have runs on the board. And I don't want excuses about his broken finger. I just think he is a talented kid without the intensity and drive compared to the others.

Draper had performed against men. He is the real deal.

Still guessing

 

[tarczonandjane]

My preference order excluding Lalor and Ashcroft:
1. Draper.
2. Smith.
3. Langford.
4. FOS.

I wouldn't even consider FOS at pick 3. I think he is the most likely to be the bust of the draft. He seems like a very laid back lad compared to the others who are ultimate professionals. He hasn't shown he can accumulate against under 18s and to be honest his highlights are very average.

I feel like a lot of people are just agreeing we should take him because everyone says he is good. Objectively when you watch him play he is a rung below the other contenders who have runs on the board. And I don't want excuses about his broken finger. I just think he is a talented kid without the intensity and drive compared to the others.

Draper had performed against men. He is the real deal.

My word… that’s quite the character assessment of FOS, Foucault.

I would happily take FOS, but will warmly welcome whoever the talent team think is the best player for us.

Just walking through some of your assessment of FOS:

Laid back lad - that can change in an AFL environment. Besides, a focused lad like Bailey Smith fell into the partying scene and mental health issues. So being ultra focused may not be all it is cracked up to be.

Can’t accumulate - perhaps he doesn’t need to? He seems to have a happy knack of getting the ball inside 50 and scoring goals. Both of these skills are things our list lacks from our midfielders. His 12 possession game for the Richmond VFL seemed pretty damaging.

Highlights are average - there is more to a game than highlights, but I am guessing you know that.

People only want him because everyone says he’s good - I just think he has great qualities to his game. He has an effective sidestep, he’s a solid mark, he kicks inside 50, he kicks goals. How that package stacks up against others is something for the list managers to consider

He is a row below the other contenders - I guess that is your opinion. It doesn’t seem to be the opinion of recruiters from across the league though

Anyway, I guess we will see what happens. I’d be delighted to have him onboard, but am very happy to support whoever we choose.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

If North retain 2, maybe. If they give it to Adelaide, no way.

If Adelaide get ahead and takes our prime target we may be more open to moving back

 

[GT619]

I'd be thrilled if fos is ranked at 4 here because it takes pressure off him

 

[Tjblues]

My preference order excluding Lalor and Ashcroft:
1. Draper.
2. Smith.
3. Langford.
4. FOS.

I wouldn't even consider FOS at pick 3. I think he is the most likely to be the bust of the draft. He seems like a very laid back lad compared to the others who are ultimate professionals. He hasn't shown he can accumulate against under 18s and to be honest his highlights are very average.

I feel like a lot of people are just agreeing we should take him because everyone says he is good. Objectively when you watch him play he is a rung below the other contenders who have runs on the board. And I don't want excuses about his broken finger. I just think he is a talented kid without the intensity and drive compared to the others.

Draper had performed against men. He is the real deal.

“Objectively he is a rung below” is a ridiculous statement. That’s pure opinion, it’s the opposite of objective.

I also don’t understand the criticism of him being laid back. Unless there’s other sources it seems to be based on 1 interview he did with triple m, which is always going to have a less serious tone than AFL media or SEN.

Mind you even as a “laid back lad” he was co-captain of vic country with Lalor, captain of Xavier, and VC of Oakleigh (Jagga C). All the top contenders are/have been leaders at their respective teams

 

[Stamos]

If Adelaide get ahead and takes our prime target we may be more open to moving back

North offered 2 & F1 to Richmond for 6+11, which the Tiges knocked back.
Why the hell would they trade that to us for 3?

We’re not trading 3.

 

[Ninja Worrier]

Going to have a choice of some combo of Draper FOS and smith (Langford)....can safely can the trading back discussion as a waste of time/energy

 

[katmanblue]

It would, but it’s a fantasy.

All the reports are that Richmond aren’t trading 6. If they put together even a half decent offer they’d already have 2 off North who would have a lower asking price than us.

6 and 11 was on the table from Richmond for Norths 2 AND F1.

There’s a 99% chance we pick at 3 (4 if Ashcroft bid), in the 1% we get persuaded to give it away it’ll be worth nowhere near that price

Sure, but pick 3 was pie in the sky too.

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[reubsblues]

Fos, Smith and Langford for me
They are class above Draper IMHO
Yes Draper could be anything but I'm not will to take that risk at 3

 

[marcmurphy3]

Regarding pick 3, there seems to be a big focus from supporters on choosing a player that best compliments our current group.

While this will be a consideration of Austin's, I think he will be more focused on the finding the next player to build the club around. He'll pick the guy he sees as the best long-term fit. He's not going to not pick a player, because we have a 30-year-old doing a similar role.

That's where I have FOS slightly behind the others. I reckon he compliments what we have really well but not sure he is the guy you build your club around.

 

[Arr0w]

Smith and Draper look more like midfielders only, which could be a concern if they can’t take the next step

Lalor, FOS, Langford dual+ position players, which would normally be more of a preference

 

[Benaly28]

Wednesday can’t come quick enough I think everyone has had more than their say and opinion on the top 4 or so players.

Just need to get it done now.


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[ferrisb]

One of those man boys who can play round one would be good

Am I the only one who doesn't really GAF about draftees playing round 1?

I won't say no to some early form, but drafting is for long-term output (especially at the pointy end).

Do some trades if you're after a short-term fix.

 

[Stamos]

Am I the only one who doesn't really GAF about draftees playing round 1?

I won't say no to some early form, but drafting is for long-term output (especially at the pointy end).

Do some trades if you're after a short-term fix.

Would be nice if they play Grand Final day though

 

[katmanblue]

Only for the last 100 pages or so.
Nothing to see here.

And they call this entertainment.

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[katmanblue]

Regarding pick 3, there seems to be a big focus from supporters on choosing a player that best compliments our current group.

While this will be a consideration of Austin's, I think he will be more focused on the finding the next player to build the club around. He'll pick the guy he sees as the best long-term fit. He's not going to not pick a player, because we have a 30-year-old doing a similar role.

That's where I have FOS slightly behind the others. I reckon he compliments what we have really well but not sure he is the guy you build your club around.

Great point

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[Arr0w]

Am I the only one who doesn't really GAF about draftees playing round 1?

Bingo

I won't say no to some early form, but drafting is for long-term output (especially at the pointy end).

It's only a bonus

Do some trades if you're after a short-term fix.

Exactly

 

[Blue By Blood]

Smith and Draper look more like midfielders only, which could be a concern if they can’t take the next step

Lalor, FOS, Langford dual+ position players, which would normally be more of a preference

With the way the game is going and the importance of midfield rotations, this is a hugely important factor and should not be overlooked. Our main mids are largely mids only and it’s a reason we don’t rotate them enough IMO. Makes us look even slower when fatigue sets in because we run the same 4 into the ground.

Lalor - mid/fwd - can take a good clunk, powerful
Langford - mid/fwd - tall, good mark, high score assists
FOS - mid/fwd - athletic, good mark for size

Smith I feel could start at half back in similar fashion to Sheezel but definitely doesn’t seem as versatile as the three above. Draper if he’s not mid I don’t know where he goes. I guess you could try half forward but that’s often a graveyard for a young kid especially when it’s not a natural spot for them.

 

[ESKIE]

Am I the only one who doesn't really GAF about draftees playing round 1?

I won't say no to some early form, but drafting is for long-term output (especially at the pointy end).

Do some trades if you're after a short-term fix.