Rumour 2024 Rumours and Speculation Part 2

[Scorpus]

Spoiler: Older Rumors

I've deleted confirmed information

Rumors from September 30

• FiveAA claims we are after Scott Borlace, current Head of Development at Brisbane (link)
• Claims of Rory Sloane
  9

  Rory Sloane

  Age

  34

  Ht

  183cm

  Wt

  87kg

  Pos.

  Mid

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  23.7

  5star

  K

  11.7

  4star

  HB

  11.9

  5star

  M

  3.5

  4star

  T

  6.6

  5star

  CL

  5.7

  5star

  D

  15.3

  4star

  K

  7.3

  3star

  HB

  8.0

  4star

  M

  1.3

  1star

  T

  3.3

  4star

  CL

  4.2

  5star

  D

  22.2

  5star

  K

  8.6

  4star

  HB

  13.6

  5star

  M

  3.2

  4star

  T

  6.0

  5star

  CL

  4.6

  5star

  heading to Melbourne Demons as a development coach, but maybe not before asking for a job at the Crows first?
• Inside Trading suggests we are interested in Gold Coast's pick 12 (link)
• Inside Trading also suggests Clayton Oliver
  13

  Clayton Oliver

  Age

  27

  Ht

  189cm

  Wt

  88kg

  Pos.

  Mid

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  27.8

  5star

  K

  9.5

  4star

  HB

  18.4

  5star

  M

  3.2

  3star

  T

  6.3

  5star

  CL

  6.3

  5star

  D

  25.1

  5star

  K

  11.1

  4star

  HB

  14.0

  5star

  M

  3.6

  4star

  T

  5.6

  5star

  CL

  5.9

  5star

  D

  19.2

  5star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  14.6

  5star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  4.4

  5star

  CL

  3.8

  5star

  is possibly back on the trade table, but doesn't link him to any specific clubs

Rumors from October 1

• We have offered Darcy Fogarty
  32

  Darcy Fogarty

  Age

  25

  Ht

  194cm

  Wt

  100kg

  Pos.

  Fwd

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  8.5

  2star

  K

  5.7

  2star

  HB

  2.8

  2star

  M

  3.7

  4star

  T

  1.7

  4star

  G

  1.2

  4star

  D

  6.3

  1star

  K

  4.0

  1star

  HB

  2.3

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.3

  3star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  D

  8.0

  2star

  K

  5.4

  2star

  HB

  2.6

  3star

  M

  3.4

  4star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  G

  1.0

  4star

  a five year contract extension early ahead of free agency (link)
• We are attempting to lure Graham Wright to our football department (link)

Rumors from October 2-3

• Graham Wright, who we are chasing as a head of football, is also being chased by Carlton for a CEO position (link)

Rumors from October 4-5

• Gettable claiming pick 25 for Neal-Bullen and a future 2nd for Peatling (link)

Rumors from October 6

• Tom Morris claims we are open to splitting pick 4 (link)

Rumor summary October 8

• Jon Ralph claims we are not prepared to use a future 2nd on Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 9

• Graham Wright will not join Adelaide, instead taking up the Carlton CEO role (link)
• Tom Morris claims the Peatling trade will involve future 2nd and 3rd round picks, and we have offered him a four year deal at about $600k per season (link)
• Riley Beveridge claims we asked GWS if they were interested in one of our players in the Peatling trade (link)

Rumor summary October 10

• Collingwood are interested in Justin Reid as their new head of football (link)
• GWS want our future 2nd and pick 46 for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 11

• Poster claims we are attempting to lure Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, maybe in 2025 (link)
• Tom Morris claims we will do the Peatling deal for pick 46 and a future 2nd provided there are other late pick swaps (link)

Rumor summary October 13

• Tom Morris suggests we have offered a trade involving a swap of future 2nds for Peatling (link)

Rumor summary October 15

• After West Coast got absolutely rogered, Cal Twomey claims we have offered either two future 3rds for Peatling, or a swap of 2nds and a future 3rd (link)
• We have interest in Sam Davidson from Richmond VFL (link)
• Mitch Cleary claims some GWS players are facing suspensions from the AFL due to behaviour at an end of season event (link)
• Brett Montgomery is staying at GWS, meaning we were unsuccessful at luring him (link)

Rumor summary October 16

• Stalemate on the Peatling trade as of 4pm, with us threatening to send him to the PSD (link)

 

[crow2crow]

No one has said Craig was SOLELY responsible for our fitness, but he was a major part of it. Stop letting your hatred for Craig blind you FFS.

I cant be bothered arguing with him about nothing. I just want to ****ing win. Not 1 I want ****ing 5 flags.

 

[FR0GGY]

Everyone is talking like 25 for ANB is a sure thing and will be one of the first deals done.

No one is allowed to talk about what might or might not happen, unless it’s a Mostyn PlayStation trade.

 

[Hodgy]

Genuine question : who ultimately decides where luko plays ? Luko or GC?

I think you will find there is a lot of bluff and counterbluff with this one to try and get leverage.
GC are saying they won’t push him out unless they get fair compensation… which is crap, they have to.
Luko is saying he would prefer to stay on less money… which is crap, he will take the best deal.
And Adelaide are probably saying we won’t give up our F1… which is crap, we would do anything to salvage that ‘18 draft.

Going to be who blinks first.

 

[crow2crow]

I think you will find there is a lot of bluff and counterbluff with this one to try and get leverage.
GC are saying they won’t push him out unless they get fair compensation… which is crap, they have to.
Luko is saying he would prefer to stay on less money… which is crap, he will take the best deal.
And Adelaide are probably saying we won’t give up our F1… which is crap, we would do anything to salvage that ‘18 draft.

Going to be who blinks first.

I reckon its done tbh and F1 is gone. We better get something back to get dodson.

 

[ABAB]

I think you will find there is a lot of bluff and counterbluff with this one to try and get leverage.
GC are saying they won’t push him out unless they get fair compensation… which is crap, they have to.
Luko is saying he would prefer to stay on less money… which is crap, he will take the best deal.
And Adelaide are probably saying we won’t give up our F1… which is crap, we would do anything to salvage that ‘18 draft.

Going to be who blinks first.

Probably why the rumour has advanced to GCS giving pick 26 as well instead of a straight swap for F1 from that "prominent" 5AA caller which mean we will absorb the $2M since we clearly have the salary cap. If that's true, there's a good chance we can hold out for pick 20 then you probably trade a F1 thinking at most it will be pick 10 with a much easier draw.

 

[GameofSloanes]

4 plus change for Luko and Dodson is terribly steep.

It's our future first not this year. Could be 4 but club will be hoping it's more like 10-12

 

[Hodgy]

Probably why the rumour has advanced to GCS giving pick 26 as well instead of a straight swap for F1 from that "prominent" 5AA caller which mean we will absorb the $2M since we clearly have the salary cap. If that's true, there's a good chance we can hold out for pick 20 then you probably trade a F1 thinking at most it will be pick 10 with a much easier draw.

While I think we could actually do even better, I am really excited if we get Luko for that. I was lucky enough to watch him and Rankine in 3 or 4 games live in their draft year, and Lukoscius has serious talent. I look at how much both Rankine and Elijah Hollands have improved since leaving GC and I genuinely think we might be getting a star. His decision making, poise and disposal are simply elite, and those are commodities that we don’t have a lot of.

 

[crow2crow]

tim watson just called port the crows

is he ok?

 

[Crow till I die]

tim watson just called port the crows

is he ok?

In what context?

 

[FR0GGY]

tim watson just called port the crows

is he ok?

A grade flog

 

[crow2crow]

In what context?

talking about ports performance against hawthorn. other panel members looked at him but didnt correct him.

 

[Hodgy]

I reckon its done tbh and F1 is gone. We better get something back to get dodson.

I think you’re right and our F1 will be part of the deal, it really is about what we get back. I think there is virtually zero chance we draft a ruck (we love Taylor Goad and have been into Sam Draper for 4 years now), but there will be some bloody good players available at 12 or 20 if we can snag one of them.

 

[jenny61_99]

No one is allowed to talk about what might or might not happen, unless it’s a Mostyn PlayStation trade.

It’s one thing to say you’d hate it if we used pick 25 for him, quite another to condemn the club for their gross incompetence when it hasn’t even happened. And within three pages it becomes folklore. It’s ridiculous.

 

[jenny61_99]

Except you're not just crediting him for fitness, you're crediting him as the reason we won the flags. You've got him ahead of Blight when in fact Brian Sando provided the foundation for our ability to train harder and recover better. Neil Craig was part of it, but nowhere near as important as you apologists need to believe.

Bullshit. Nowhere have i ever said he’s the only reason we won those flags. FFS.

 

[GreyCrow]

Jay Clark added: I mean, Jack Lukosius, I’m not so sure he was in Gold Coast’s best 22 by the end. He was dropped by Damien Hardwick ... Where does he play? I don’t think he set the world on fire.”

There is no way we should be even close to giving a first rounder for a guy on $1 million that some people are saying is not in GCS best 22
And if they want to get Rioli in as well, they need Luko off the books.

Jay Clark is Vader confirmed

Both confused about repeatedly and both talking him down

Luko will be a great fit for our side . Now where he plays may cause some issues but thats on the cub to smooth out. As a show of faith I would delist Walker but we have nailed our cross and we wait

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

Blight himself even acknowledged how important Craig was to those premierships. I heard those words come from HIS mouth, not Trigg or anyone else.

that narrative was started by bruce mcavaney, who probably never played a game in his life, he used to have a chat with trigg when they came over

the reason blighty didn't start it is because it is such a ridiculous thing to say everyone is already super fit by then! preseason is about making gains, the regular season is about maintenance because you're so sore recovering from playing

this is why something like the extra week off before finals was controversial when introduced because it allowed teams with lesser depth more time to recover! not more time to get fitter!

when asked blight is too modest to say: 'actually fellas by round 22 everyone is completely knackered and hanging on by a thread and you're spending most of the week recovering anyway'. instead he says 'neil had the boys a super fit hard running side, we won 5 finals in a row, i don't think people realise what an achievement that was!'

and someone like yourself comes along and says 'i heard it MYSELF, he said Neil craig was INSTRUMENTAL in the crows' success!'

 

[GreyCrow]

that narrative was started by bruce mcavaney, who probably never played a game in his life, he used to have a chat with trigg when they came over

the reason blighty didn't start it is because it is such a ridiculous thing to say everyone is already super fit by then! preseason is about making gains, the regular season is about maintenance because you're so sore recovering from playing

this is why something like the extra week off before finals was controversial when introduced because it allowed teams with lesser depth more time to recover! not more time to get fitter!

when asked blight is too modest to say: 'actually fellas by round 22 everyone is completely knackered and hanging on by a thread and you're spending most of the week recovering anyway'. instead he says 'neil had the boys a super fit hard running side, we won 5 finals in a row, i don't think people realise what an achievement that was!'

and someone like yourself comes along and says 'i heard it MYSELF, he said Neil craig was INSTRUMENTAL in the crows' success!'

Take a breather Neil

 

[moogerfooger]

that narrative was started by bruce mcavaney, who probably never played a game in his life, he used to have a chat with trigg when they came over

the reason blighty didn't start it is because it is such a ridiculous thing to say everyone is already super fit by then! preseason is about making gains, the regular season is about maintenance because you're so sore recovering from playing

this is why something like the extra week off before finals was controversial when introduced because it allowed teams with lesser depth more time to recover! not more time to get fitter!

when asked blight is too modest to say: 'actually fellas by round 22 everyone is completely knackered and hanging on by a thread and you're spending most of the week recovering anyway'. instead he says 'neil had the boys a super fit hard running side, we won 5 finals in a row, i don't think people realise what an achievement that was!'

and someone like yourself comes along and says 'i heard it MYSELF, he said Neil craig was INSTRUMENTAL in the crows' success!'

I haven't seen a bigger load of horseshit since someone dumped a truckload at Punt Road in 2016.

 

[Draft Bored]

didnt he say a second coming back not F2

thats pick 26

If we're giving up a top 10 pick for a player GC are forcing out I want at least 20 back. Honestly I think it should be 13.

Lets assume we end up with pick 7 next year. Even this makes me uneasy.

AFC: 7

GC: Luko + 13

 

[feenix67]

I haven't seen a bigger load of horseshit since someone dumped a truckload at Punt Road in 2016.

It's all pretty funny, because people's personal biases show pretty quickly on this matter.

It's a pretty well known fact that colostrum, in the context of high performance sport, is all about aiding muscle recovery. So absolutely Doc Sando had an impact on our program.

It's a pretty well known fact that Craig's training methods were innovative and, both anecdotally and empirically, led to increased fitness and endurance of our squad.

It's a pretty well known fact that Blight was a great coach, and some of his methods and moves were instrumental in us winning two flags.

All these facts can coexist.

 

[crow2crow]

Jay Clark is Vader confirmed

Both confused about repeatedly and both talking him down

Luko will be a great fit for our side . Now where he plays may cause some issues but thats on the cub to smooth out. As a show of faith I would delist Walker but we have nailed our cross and we wait

jon ralph quoted something i wrote last week word for word so they definitely look at these pages...

 

[Crow till I die]

If we're giving up a top 10 pick for a player GC are forcing out I want at least 20 back. Honestly I think it should be 13.

Lets assume we end up with pick 7 next year. Even this makes me uneasy.

AFC: 7

GC: Luko + 13

Depends if 13 this year gets a player thats potentially as good or maybe even better than the player selected at 7 next year. Its a deep draft this year they say

 

[119others]

Bullshit. Nowhere have i ever said he’s the only reason we won those flags. FFS.

100%. Neither you, or I or ANYONE has said Craig is the sole reason we won the flags. 'Talk about extreme'. I actually said Blight was the number one reason but Craig was integral to the flags with his fitness regime (and you have heard Blight say the same thing). Why would Blight lie about this? Thats right, he wouldnt.

This forum is like being in a US election debate at times with the lies and shit some spin. As another poster said Blight AND Craig AND others (Doctor etc) can all be materially responsible but nobody thinks its solely Craig. I am trying to work out the sentiments and motivations of those that refuse to give Craig credit - its totally illogical and extreme - but everyone sees the world differently I suppose

 

[crow2crow]

100%. Neither you, or I or ANYONE has said Craig is the sole reason we won the flags. 'Talk about extreme'. I actually said Blight was the number one reason but Craig was integral to the flags with his fitness regime (and you have heard Blight say the same thing). Why would Blight lie about this? Thats right, he wouldnt.

This forum is like being in a US election debate at times with the lies and shit some spin. As another poster said Blight AND Craig AND others (Doctor etc) can all be materially responsible but nobody thinks its solely Craig. I am trying to work out the sentiments and motivations of those that refuse to give Craig credit - its totally illogical and extreme - but everyone sees the world differently I suppose

yeh it sounds very personal and most of its going over my head because i don't understand the background of the hatred for craigy. so i'm staying out of it even though I was somehow dragged into it.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

I hate seeing any Crows official use the word 'Aggressive' when referring to the offseason for the AFC. They clearly have 0 concept of what that word means or entails.

Aggressive with regards to list management would have been calling time on Tex and Smith (as good as they have been), followed by immediately delisting at least 5 players the Monday after our season was done.

Aggressive with trading would be going to the likes of Finn Callaghan, Will Day, Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

etc and telling them we will pay them DOUBLE. Imagine being told you could earn DOUBLE your salary by doing the exact same job with a competitor. You would absolutely do it even if it meant moving.

Aggressive with regards to coaching (in the absence of doing the obvious and sacking Nicks) would have been for Silvers to say to VB, Burns and Kelly 'thanks for your services' and coming out telling the club we will be on the hunt to secure some quality senior assistants and a new Football GM. 'Send your resumes to me as we will be paying the best $ in the league' - screw the VFL soft cap garbage rules.

Sure - we may or may not have done some of the above behind the scenes, but its time to put our money where our mouths are and do something that remotely looks 'aggressive'. Ive yet to see it.