Preview 2024 Semi Final : Port v Hawks, AO 7:10pm Friday 13th Sept

[GremioPower]

Not to mention umpires gave them the win by memory

Memory is not trustful.

 

[perrdan86]

Has The Cholls Royce Ever played defence? Maybe he would thrive great size and competitor!

Why would you change the set-up of the team that much??? No way will that happen

 

[DogDaySonny]

I'm reading back through my comment to try to find where I said any of that. Can't find it.

A hallmark of our footy is stopping the opposition from being able to generate I50s or transitioning the ball, in addition to hunting ground ball and getting any loose footy on our terms.

For us to notice Phillips playing especially poorly it means:

1. We aren't getting our hands on the ball at stoppage
2. We aren't controlling the ball post stoppage
3. We aren't applying enough pressure to force turnovers
4. The opposition are breaking through our structures and getting good looks

At that stage we wouldn't be particularly concerned about what's happening at full back, and save for having a defensive freak like Taylor there wouldn't be anything we could do about it.

I love Frost and what he's been able to do this season, but if we didn't see it as a weakness that could be exposed we wouldn't have gone hard to acquire 2 KPDs this upcoming off season.

The point I was making was that if the only reason we notice Phillips is because everything else is breaking down (all your four points), then that means the only reason we ever notice frosty is the same. So frosty’s position is irrelevant. Which it isn’t. My point is that the fullback is critical to the structure of the defence - sort of obvious with everyone noticing frosty is having the best year of his career and the Hawks defence is killing it. You don’t have the best year of your career being unnoticed.

One last way to make my point. The front of the defence can take risks and run off their men because they know the back is super solid. If the back isn’t super solid then all the other stuff that relies on that breaks down. The coaches are (in my guestimation) figuring how to best to keep the back reliably solid - and assessing the attacking tradeoffs that come with that. Phillips or shift Scrimmers/Sicily to the back position is the question, as per my guessing. In Phillips goes back and doesn’t work out for whatever reason, the adjustment to address that is more debilitating than not selecting him in the first place, it can be argued, so the question is more consequential than we may think.

I also think Phillips is their most likely choice, but I can see how they may choose otherwise. If that’s a question they are considering.

 

[Hawkers Hero]

Our defence this year has been built around the midfield getting the ball forward, setting up behind the ball and denying entries.

Whilst Frost and Scrim have been awesome this year, when we are playing well neither is really wrestling with a forward to get a spoil.

Haven't really watched either but I feel Serong is the better intercept player and certainly provides more going forward - play Scrim in Frosts role and Serong plays on the number 2.

 

[Hawkthorn33]

I really hope they back Serong in and play him in place of Frost.

I know we will be severely undersized by doing this instead of going with Phillips but I feel this is the time the coaching staff need to reward Serong for the stellar season he has had in the VFL and to show him he is part of our future plans.

I have a feeling Serong will play his best game in the Brown and Gold and repay the faith shown in him.

 

[TylerDurden]

Hogan is the only tall fwd that will worry us in the run home, and I can't see them getting over the Scats at the G in a Prelim.

 

[DogDaySonny]

Hogan is the only tall fwd that will worry us in the run home, and I can't see them getting over the Scats at the G in a Prelim.

Sydney’s forwards have been ghosts for most of the season but watch Amarty decide to finally play a game if he faces us.

 

[toomanysquibs]

I broke a hole in the floor boards of the place I was renting from jumping up and down when Jon Barker kicked that winning goal.

Such a monster win, we didn't have floorboards where I was that night, but there were plenty of objects being thrown at different times.

Barker's goal is etched in my memory.

Hope they didn't gouge your bond for that.

Any floor that can't withstand a Hawks goal celebration wasn't built right!

 

[hfc70]

Tom Morris reporting Phillips likely to come in

TM is a fairly good journo but I highly doubt he would know ! It’s Monday and someone has told him Phillips is coming in ?!
All scenarios will be considered- don’t discount Serong. But I don’t think it’s as cut & dried as TM is making out

 

[Hawk88]

I do have a feeling we will go the Phillips route simply because of his size and more of a "FB"

If it was Sicily or Scrimshaw out then Serong would be in

Wont be upset with either though, gotta trust the process

 

[Blackhawk42]

Hogan is the only tall fwd that will worry us in the run home, and I can't see them getting over the Scats at the G in a Prelim.

GWS have a habit of surprising everybody come finals time. I thought they'd roll Sydney but they botched it.

If they get over the line against Brisbane I actually think they're a decent shot at beating Geelong.

They were 1 point away from denying Collingwood a premiership last season.
They denied us all the Collingwood vs Richmond GF in 2019.

Would LOVE to see them beat Geelong. Brisbane have ZERO hope of beating the Cats in Melbourne, so fingers crossed we get Hawks and Giants wins this weekend.

 

[mustang]

Hogan is the only tall fwd that will worry us in the run home, and I can't see them getting over the Scats at the G in a Prelim.

If we get up I'll be hoping that Brisbane can knock GWS the next day.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[TylerDurden]

Allir and Horne playing injured.

 

[ahhhhhh]

Tom Morris just said it's 'either Jai Serong or Ethan Phillips'. He has no idea yet.

 

[The hands of stone]

GWS have a habit of surprising everybody come finals time. I thought they'd roll Sydney but they botched it.

If they get over the line against Brisbane I actually think they're a decent shot at beating Geelong.

They were 1 point away from denying Collingwood a premiership last season.
They denied us all the Collingwood vs Richmond GF in 2019.

Would LOVE to see them beat Geelong. Brisbane have ZERO hope of beating the Cats in Melbourne, so fingers crossed we get Hawks and Giants wins this weekend.

GWS are a very good matchup for Geelong . Would think the Cats would far prefer playing the up and down Lions

 

[LRobbo]

Sounds like it’s a bit of a mess at Port, players having to be convinced to play isn’t a great look.

Start well and it could get ugly for them and the crowd will turn feral against their own.
The longer we let them hang around, they’ll get more belief and things get harder.

I can’t see us losing, but I also can see it being harder than it needs to be.

Surely Port wont be that bad again

 

[KermitJagger]

The point I was making was that if the only reason we notice Phillips is because everything else is breaking down (all your four points), then that means the only reason we ever notice frosty is the same. So frosty’s position is irrelevant. Which it isn’t. My point is that the fullback is critical to the structure of the defence - sort of obvious with everyone noticing frosty is having the best year of his career and the Hawks defence is killing it. You don’t have the best year of your career being unnoticed.

One last way to make my point. The front of the defence can take risks and run off their men because they know the back is super solid. If the back isn’t super solid then all the other stuff that relies on that breaks down. The coaches are (in my guestimation) figuring how to best to keep the back reliably solid - and assessing the attacking tradeoffs that come with that. Phillips or shift Scrimmers/Sicily to the back position is the question, as per my guessing. In Phillips goes back and doesn’t work out for whatever reason, the adjustment to address that is more debilitating than not selecting him in the first place, it can be argued, so the question is more consequential than we may think.

I also think Phillips is their most likely choice, but I can see how they may choose otherwise. If that’s a question they are considering.

Actually I disagree, Frost does have the best year of his career being unnoticed. Frost is taking his fewest disposals at his best efficiency as a Hawk, is conceding the fewest frees (by a fair margin) and is labouring under the fewest inside 50s we've conceded in his time here, 2020 not included. That's allowed us to see more of the good parts of his game, and less of the bad. He hasn't had a single coaches vote, either.

Anyway, the best selection is the one that affects the team the least. Phillips is the only option we've got left at Full Back, and it's the option that disrupts the rest of the team the least. The worst thing we can do is react to one match up that isn't working when there are 17 other match ups there to be won.

 

[Flamin Joe]

I really hope they back Serong in and play him in place of Frost.

I know we will be severely undersized by doing this instead of going with Phillips but I feel this is the time the coaching staff need to reward Serong for the stellar season he has had in the VFL and to show him he is part of our future plans.

I have a feeling Serong will play his best game in the Brown and Gold and repay the faith shown in him.

Severly undersized?? Isn't there only a few centremeters difference? It's not like we are asking Watson to play FB.

 

[Faraway Hawk]

Has The Cholls Royce Ever played defence? Maybe he would thrive great size and competitor!

Congratulations, you found the new version of "Roughy to CHB"!

 

[Gaston]

Hogan is the only tall fwd that will worry us in the run home, and I can't see them getting over the Scats at the G in a Prelim.

Spot on, you could nearly get away with Hardwick on Ratagulea this week.
I'd back Serong in as his run and carry will compliment our game style.
As stated earlier in the thread, we can't have Sicily or Scrimshaw forced to play too deep.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[QuietB]

Huh? You mean the role Frosty has played is meaningless to our form? His performance is irrelevant because if you notice it then everything else is already broken?

Hawthorns backs got exposed in Q1 against Adelaide - that backline needs to be shielded with upfield pressure because it is undersized.

Frost has elite speed and agility and will be missed. But even he is undersized and needs upfield pressure.

But basically Hawthorn need a big guy to stand Dixon. Dixon is not going to expose anyone for pace or agility.

 

[QuietB]

That is not helpful

 

[StackedHunch]

Seems like that's just inviting Port fans to cheer us home.