List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.1

[mighty_sainters]

McCluggage would have been worth every cent we offered him, accumulator with a taste for goals.

 

[gringo2011]

have a solid feeling that battle will be found out at hawks. he will be their new number one key defender there.

maybe thats what the pull for Battle is, yes he is best 22 at saints, but he is behind wilkie and dougal as top dogs.

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I doubt it. Just a Sicily replacement long term. Sicily is 30 already so if they play off for a flag in a few years he'll be slowing down. They seem to want to attack hard off HB through penetrating kicks and that's a strength of Battle's. They'll chase some more tall timber.

 

[BrutThough]

I doubt it. Just a Sicily replacement long term. Sicily is 30 already so if they play off for a flag in a few years he'll be slowing down. They seem to want to attack hard off HB through penetrating kicks and that's a strength of Battle's. They'll chase some more tall timber.

Josh is 3 years younger than Sicily so will likely be 30 before Sicily retires.

 

[littlecreatures]

He's an intercept defender though. He's not there to purely mind a player. You could argue that all three of our tall defenders are similar in that they are all suited to a more intercept style game over a one on one role. Wilkie excels at both so covers a lot of the short fall. The only issue is that Wilkie and Howard are both getting close to 30 so won't be there in our next challenge and Battle is a few years behind them.

Which is why intercept stats are included in above comment and this ranks him as average in these categories. If that in itself is going to get him a whopping contract, he should be doing more than average as an ‘intercept defender’.

 

[Klaatu]

The similarities surrounding Battle are McEvoys "trade" to another club are extremely similar.

McEvoy played 91 games for us. Battle has played 118 games for us.

Both are success stories of our development program.

Both are/were considered future leaders of their club.

Both are/were rated highly by their club.

Both are/were not plagued by injuries.

Both are/were rated highly by their supporters, other clubs and AFL experts.

Both played in positions where the club thought they could cover their loss.

Both were seemingly offered overs for trade at that point in time.

There are too many good things about Josh and what he brings to our great club to let him go.

His choice to go if he goes


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[Klaatu]

This evaluation leaves out the most important part of the argument - the salary. If we keep Battle, we need to overpay by about 150k/year, was that the case for McEvoy?

The difference is yes we traded out McEvoy were as Battle choosing to leave free agency has changed the way players move.


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[_Maximus_12]

I’d say he does have a great attacking game and intercepts would be right up there.

Averages 17 disposals and (above average) 6.3 intercept posession (average) a game. He’s also ranked average for defensive 1v1 wins.

He is an elite for marks at 7.4 however only 0.9 of those are contested. Many of his marks actually come from little sideways kicks out of our bank. He is also ranked elite for handballs.

These aren’t the numbers of an elite $950k per year defender.

We all love the way he goes about it, but the carry on on here sounds as though he’s Glenn Jackovich 2.0. He’s simply not.

 

[gubby88]

The similarities surrounding Battle are McEvoys "trade" to another club are extremely similar.

McEvoy played 91 games for us. Battle has played 118 games for us.

Both are success stories of our development program.

Both are/were considered future leaders of their club.

Both are/were rated highly by their club.

Both are/were not plagued by injuries.

Both are/were rated highly by their supporters, other clubs and AFL experts.

Both played in positions where the club thought they could cover their loss.

Both were seemingly offered overs for trade at that point in time.

There are too many good things about Josh and what he brings to our great club to let him go.

you could argue that its more closerto a ryan griffin or brett deledio trade, where they left for needs. we need more class midfielders that 3rd tall defenders



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[Speck]

The similarities surrounding Battle are McEvoys "trade" to another club are extremely similar.

McEvoy played 91 games for us. Battle has played 118 games for us.

Both are success stories of our development program.

Both are/were considered future leaders of their club.

Both are/were rated highly by their club.

Both are/were not plagued by injuries.

Both are/were rated highly by their supporters, other clubs and AFL experts.

Both played in positions where the club thought they could cover their loss.

Both were seemingly offered overs for trade at that point in time.

There are too many good things about Josh and what he brings to our great club to let him go.

Don't disagree on most of those - but pick 5 or 6 is a different proposition to 17 plus Savage. It's all about who we draft in this place. We also let a contracted McEvoy go, we don't necessarily get a choice in this matter if he wants to leave.

 

[Rogue Warrior]

I might be 1 out here but I don’t think McEvoy would have made any difference to the saints fortune. He was a very limited ruckman. Good clubman and good leadership but not a great player. I always thought he was overrated and never demonstrated the value of a pick 8.
If we’d nailed the pick we got for him the trade would have been fine.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

I broke my Bahn mi virginity today

 

[gringo2011]

Which is why intercept stats are included in above comment and this ranks him as average in these categories. If that in itself is going to get him a whopping contract, he should be doing more than average as an ‘intercept defender’.

2024 AFL League Defender Marks Per Game Leaders

2024 AFL League Defender Marks Per Game Leaders.

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[gringo2011]

Averages 17 disposals and (above average) 6.3 intercept posession (average) a game. He’s also ranked average for defensive 1v1 wins.

He is an elite for marks at 7.4 however only 0.9 of those are contested. Many of his marks actually come from little sideways kicks out of our bank. He is also ranked elite for handballs.

These aren’t the numbers of an elite $950k per year defender.

We all love the way he goes about it, but the carry on on here sounds as though he’s Glenn Jackovich 2.0. He’s simply not.

Well if we are better off without him we should play finals next year then.

 

[gringo2011]

you could argue that its more closerto a ryan griffin or brett deledio trade, where they left for needs. we need more class midfielders that 3rd tall defenders



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By the time a kid comes on all of the old crew will be retirement age and there is **** all in that mid age bracket.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

I broke my Bahn mi virginity today

Crackling?

 

[ScrappyDo]

This evaluation leaves out the most important part of the argument - the salary. If we keep Battle, we need to overpay by about 150k/year, was that the case for McEvoy?

I'd say the most important part is that it's completely irrelevant and totally wrong, all predicated on the similar number of games played by each.

 

[ScrappyDo]

What other clubs are willing to pay him is what he is worth.

It's called supply and demand, its part of every market and the AFL player trade market is no different.

Again, not true. Hawks have cap space similar to us. We need ours to spend on mids, they have mids and can spend theirs elsewhere.

 

[stavro#4]

Well if we are better off without him we should play finals next year then.

Yes or No.

Would you pay Battle $1m+ a year to retain him?

Do you think Battle is worth pick 5?

 

[littlecreatures]

2024 AFL League Defender Marks Per Game Leaders

2024 AFL League Defender Marks Per Game Leaders.

www.footywire.com

He’s ranked 33 in the league for intercepts…. That sort of proves the point being made lol

 

[Klaatu]

Is Matt Owes still on the radar he was a SOS special.


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[StCicatriz]

Josh Battle

26

Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

very rarely plays on the best forward. Wilkie & Dougal share that responsibility.
Battle also doesn’t have an elite intercept or offensive game.

It would be poor list management to pay him more than $900k per year.

Battle doesn't have an intercept game. Are we watching the same player?

 

[StCicatriz]

He's an intercept defender though. He's not there to purely mind a player. You could argue that all three of our tall defenders are similar in that they are all suited to a more intercept style game over a one on one role. Wilkie excels at both so covers a lot of the short fall. The only issue is that Wilkie and Howard are both getting close to 30 so won't be there in our next challenge and Battle is a few years behind them.

Battle allows Wilkie and Howard to cover less ground. Wilkie isn't good when the ball hits the deck and he and Howard don't have the aerobic tank or speed to cover the ground.

Battle is a zone defender who can use his tank to cover ground.

You take him out of the mix and that backline which is already very vulnerable on the lead is going to start leaking more goals.

 

[gubby88]

Battle allows Wilkie and Howard to cover less ground. Wilkie isn't good when the ball hits the deck and he and Howard don't have the aerobic tank or speed to cover the ground.

Battle is a zone defender who can use his tank to cover ground.

You take him out of the mix and that backline which is already very vulnerable on the lead is going to start leaking more goals.

not really, thats where the rolling team defence comes in. ye sif its a centre clearance it could be an inssue if a clean delivery, but for any other delivery we have players taking up space to take away the leading patterns of players

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[StCicatriz]

He’s ranked 33 in the league for intercepts…. That sort of proves the point being made lol

But he's ranked 3rd league wide for marks amongst his cohort that is defenders.

Do you really want to take him out of the backline and still push for finals?

As for the salary cap. You have premiership sides that over pay to retain talent all of the time. Hence how McGovern was on over a million a season at wce. The pies had well discussed cap issues. Geelong had salary cap rule breaches but they're also unique in that they have guys like hawkins taking serious pay cuts to keep the group together plus they seem to get guys like Cameron on the cheap. Richmond retained Alex Rance on 800k a year which was huge money at the time.

 

[StCicatriz]

not really, thats where the rolling team defence comes in. ye sif its a centre clearance it could be an inssue if a clean delivery, but for any other delivery we have players taking up space to take away the leading patterns of players

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They still check their opponent even with a rolling team defence.

Howard seriously struggling with his opponents running patterns and he can't cover ground. Wilkie is very good one on one especially overhead but when the ball hits the deck he can struggle.

Battles the work horse. He's the one who can run end to end. It allows Wilkie and Howard to play closer to goal.