List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[El Topo]

That would hopefully equate to season 2024 (as good as missed the finals)

IMO the step back was this year. Too slow, average game plan and massive injury list have made us reassess so much

I’m hoping for a number of corrections and a big year in 2025.

The talent is there

One can hope, but that's a hell of a lot of pressure on pick #3

 

[Tjblues]

I love the insinuation that the signing of Fantasia would be enough for the club to lose faith in the senior coach.

Just because a player is a whipping boy on big footy doesn’t mean they are everywhere else.

Fantasia always was, and continues to be, low risk, high reward, cheap, experienced, depth.

The fact the small/medium forwards at the club had such a poor year that he got 15 games despiste below average play tells me that it’s one of our greatest RFI areas in 2025.

 

[JustaBattler]

Nope, sorry. Not having it. Not reading all that garbage again. See my response in the Carlton v Collingwood 2024/5 who's better thread.

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"garbage you say"

I’m very ok with your opinion mate but I don’t agree with it.

Hope you’re having a good time in Melbourne mate

I'm happy with disagreement- what do you disagree with though?

I couldn't disagree with anything more than I do this post. Clubs in a great position going into next year, only other thing I would have liked to see is more changes to the assistant coaches.

if 'great' is contending for a finals position - which IS an improvement on the last 20 years but NOT over the last three - I agree...just not my definition of 'great'.

IMO the step back was this year. Too slow, average game plan and massive injury list have made us reassess so much

I’m hoping for a number of corrections and a big year in 2025.

The talent is there

yes Soapy - problem is that we have evidence of LT structural issues with key player injury as a serious issue - Cerra and Walsh are key components of the team - there are others still on the list who are flaky at their best as far as prone to injury...McGovern/Williams two name just two more Saad and Docherty are a year older...both Docherty and SOJ coming back from ACL's...etc etc..

I have question marks over Voss's handling of the team as a team - even taking into account injuries.


As for game plan - we will have to wait and see.

My point is I dont expect anything more than another finals appearance with this team and maybe this coach.

 

[Soapy V]

My point is I dont expect anything more than another finals appearance with this team and maybe this coach.

Fair points. I have questions around our coaching and am surprised we didn’t change anyone. However, Cook & Sayers aren’t idiots. I have to assume they have worked with coaches about failures this year and how coaches will “adapt and improve” to play a modern game

There were concerns all year by coaches about our midfield mix

As for the team. My opinion is based on ability and also belief in improvement in youth. Fitness is massive. Our A grade talent is as good as any

I go though our list and nearly every player has a big upside to what they produced this year. Cripps is the only player that had a career best season

Cerra and Walsh are flying and already training. We need them fit. Talk is Innes has made changes already and has addressed what he sees as some major flaws

A lot of things need to go right but IMO we have the talent to go all the way in 2025. Our list “potentially” next year is much better than this year

Only time will tell if we can take advantages of it

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Fair points. I have questions around our coaching and am surprised we didn’t change anyone. However, Cook & Sayers aren’t idiots. I have to assume they have worked with coaches about failures this year and how coaches will “adapt and improve” to play a modern game

There were concerns all year by coaches about our midfield mix

As for the team. My opinion is based on ability and also belief in improvement in youth. Fitness is massive. Our A grade talent is as good as any

I go though our list and nearly every player has a big upside to what they produced this year. Cripps is the only player that had a career best season

Cerra and Walsh are flying and already training. We need them fit. Talk is Innes has made changes already and has addressed what he sees as some major flaws

A lot of things need to go right but IMO we have the talent to go all the way in 2025. Our list “potentially” next year is much better than this year

Only time will tell if we can take advantages of it

Yep. Should get an easier draw too next year given where we finished in season 2024 vs 2023.

I'm really looking forward to a change up with our midfield mix. Just has to happen now. Cerra back fit and firing is significant.

Smith, FOS or Draper into the mix really gives us a boost of energy in there too.

Lord did some good work in there tail end of last season.

Walsh needs to be more outside... it's just not working as a more inside mid. Ollie looked good at hb. Walsh on the wing I'd like to see that move made.

B: Cowan - Weiters - Newman

HB: Ollie - Haynes - Saad

C: Walsh - Cripps - Acres

HF: Elijah - Harry - Kemp

F: Williams - Charlie - Fogarty

FOLL: TDK - Cerra - Pick 3

IC: Hewett - Gov - Boyd - Doc

SUB: Cottrell/Cincotta

We have JSOS and Moir that can come in too... also Lord, Binns, Wilson and the Campos if they prove themselves in VFL... Voss needs to stop persisting with older players regardless of their performance. Put pressure on them to perform!

Despite losing Owies - Motlop and Durdin have work to do barring injuries. Just not good enough in 2024, either of them.

Will be a make or break year for Young too... if he doesn't really step up... he will be gone.

 

[BlueTongue]

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Walsh needs to be more outside... it's just not working as a more inside mid. Ollie looked good at hb. Walsh on the wing I'd like to see that move made.

... Voss needs to stop persisting with older players regardless of their performance. Put pressure on them to perform!


Despite losing Owies - Motlop and Durdin have work to do barring injuries. Just not good enough in 2024, either of them.

Will be a make or break year for Young too... if he doesn't really step up... he will be gone.

Definitely Walsh needs to stop playing as an inside mid. Wing would be ideal.
Cerra & Lord on the ball. As someone else mentioned, C Durdin should have stints in the midfield also.

Voss' reluctance to take a chance on the young blokes and go with players half done, reeks of self-preservation to me.
He needs to step up, put his head on the block and start rewarding players pushing for the best 22.

I understand that some players just weren't ready but it's unfair not to reward them for good form.

Especially important to blood them during the season, giving them a chance when injuries or form to senior players dictate changes, allowing them to to settle.
Not just when half the team is out and the fate of the team's season rests on them coming straight in and play cut-throat footy on their first game.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Definitely Walsh needs to stop playing as an inside mid. Wing would be ideal.
Cerra & Lord on the ball. As someone else mentioned, C Durdin should have stints in the midfield also.

Voss' reluctance to take a chance on the young blokes and go with players half done, reeks of self-preservation to me.
He needs to step up, put his head on the block and start rewarding players pushing for the best 22.

I understand that some players just weren't ready but it's unfair not to reward them for good form.

Especially important to blood them during the season, giving them a chance when injuries or form to senior players dictate changes, allowing them to to settle.
Not just when half the team is out and the fate of the team's season rests on them coming straight in and play cut-throat footy on their first game.

100%

This form of "preservation" is actually more detrimental to him... Teague went down that path and ended up getting sacked.

 

[Michael Jezz]

I can't emphasise enough the importance of recruiting another young KPD. In my opinion, nailing one at pick 38, who can play best 22 football within 2 years propels this generation into premiership contention because freeing up weitering rectifies our ball movement. Over to you Nick Austin. Nail pick 38, should we retain it, and you have engineered one of the greatest drafts in Carlton's history

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I just look at it like this... In 3-4 years time our list will be looking something like this.

O'Farrell + O'Sullivan are just assumed picks in the range we have though could be a range of players at those picks.

Using the 2015 draft as a cut off

Boyd Weitering Kemp
Cowan O'Farrell* Wilson
Binns Cerra O.Hollands
O'Sullivan* Curnow Fogarty
Motlop McKay Moir
DeKoning Walsh Walker

E.Hollands B.Camporeale Durdin Silvagni
Cottrell etc

Thats without taking into account trades, free agents, NGA kids, other F/S's, veterans that will still be around etc.

We are well set for the future.

 

[Soapy V]

I can't emphasise enough the importance of recruiting another young KPD. In my opinion, nailing one at pick 38, who can play best 22 football within 2 years propels this generation into premiership contention because freeing up weitering rectifies our ball movement. Over to you Nick Austin. Nail pick 38, should we retain it, and you have engineered one of the greatest drafts in Carlton's history

What if there isn’t a good one available?

 

[gbatman]

A good key defender this year or next is a given. Haynes holds down the fort for a few seasons while they develop. If there is none available we just bring in a good mature option in the next three seasons.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Contending Clubs dont reach for pick 3's they reach for players that can help them win a GF- clearly the Club isnt confident about that second idea.

Huh? Melbourne traded up for pick 3 and picked Luke Jackson who was instrumental in a premiership season in only his second season. Daicos was instrumental in Collingwood's last flag and Ashcroft won a norm not long after he was drafted (both were gifted to their respective clubs, but same principal applies).

Clearly, like these premiership winning teams before them, Carlton have identified a player at pick 3 who can help us win a GF, and help us stay contenders for the future. Young, talented kids can and had just as big of an impact as the star trade.

 

[Soapy V]

A good key defender this year or next is a given. Haynes holds down the fort for a few seasons while they develop. If there is none available we just bring in a good mature option in the next three seasons.

Are we that bad?

Weitering is a Star
Silvagni will play there next year and is 26
We will add at least one, possibly two via DFA, Rookie etc. Names like Philips, DGB being mentioned
Lemmey has shown signs and is young. Big year for him
Young is handy
Durdin is being given pre season to show he can stay fit
Haynes, McGovern are third tall options that can play tall

If only 1 or 2 step up next year we look very different

I am all for drafting another tall but not for the heck of it

 

[JustaBattler]

Huh? Melbourne traded up for pick 3 and picked Luke Jackson who was instrumental in a premiership season in only his second season. Daicos was instrumental in Collingwood's last flag and Ashcroft won a norm not long after he was drafted (both were gifted to their respective clubs, but same principal applies).

Clearly, like these premiership winning teams before them, Carlton have identified a player at pick 3 who can help us win a GF, and help us stay contenders for the future. Young, talented kids can and had just as big of an impact as the star trade.

Yep the Club IS looking out a bit further than 2025 - that was the whole point of my post and 2026 may not feature the current coach which was the second point of my post...

 

[tragic]

Yep the Club IS looking out a bit further than 2025 - that was the whole point of my post and 2026 may not feature the current coach which was the second point of my post...

You really think bringing in houston would be the tipping point in winning a premiership?

 

[Benaly28]

Not signing Houston was an error if the club really had confidence in what Voss was doing - compounded by giving up the pick he would have cost and another next to it for an upgrade to a pick 3-4.

what I surmise from all that is that this is a make or break year for Voss - and the club is hedging its bets - after the Fantasia - call 'we are not really interested in your past relationships with past players - buzz orf is a clear message- as was Kennedy's to Voss as well.

getting rid of Marchbank/Cuningham/Martin was very positive along with some dead weight never gunna make it types in vfl - as it makes more room for McGovern/Cerra to become the new always injured types - alongside Fantasia/Durdin short and Durdin tall and /Motlop

Can understand the angst about owies v fantasia- I'd add owies v motlop v durdin to the comparisons - a useless bunch of smalls as you'd ever see assembled in a supposed contending list.

after reflecting on the end to the season - I'm now on the neutral(ish) to negative side of the Voss ledger - his handling of the last few weeks and the elimination finals was just awful - compounded by pushing a solid citizen who cost Carlton nothing and played every game for the year much better than more than half the starting players could manage - out.

Kennedy on top of his elimination finals selections (tdk as sub really I mean really!!) was just too much 'creativity' for me to handle.

would have been much smarter to play all the kids - and not force unfit players to play - this strategy wouldn't have seen a 10-goal-to-nothing start to a final- what an embarrassment we all had to live through.


Only writing this as I am in Melbourne for a few days and happened to be sitting near Harry Mckay

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Harry Mckay

Age

26

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

and his gf over brunch in sunny Albert Park this morning - what a gentle nice fellow he is in real life - and no I didn't give him my autograph.

not very confident about 2025 tbh - still no decent 2nd tall and lots of questions about the forward line - still.

I doubt that a new fitness person is going to be a magic pill for some of the players who have been on teh list- but if he is an improvement over russell - at least he is starting teh right way - pointing out that fitness is ok but strength isnt Sydney or AFl standards- doh- finally someone at carlton that understands you need some muscle to play contact football - what a relief.

lots of things have to go right in 2025 - to see any improvement in my books - and I am not high on optimism.

As for pick 3 or 4 - couldn't care less- they (too) are only an injury away from being another Walsh or Cerra or a even worse- a dow or SPS.

TLDR - no worries - her is some simple algebra.

Contending Clubs dont reach for pick 3's they reach for players that can help them win a GF- clearly the Club isnt confident about that second idea.

Couldn’t disagree more but respect your opinion.


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[Benaly28]

I just wonder if we followed the pies model for next year with their all in approach what people would be saying.


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[WalshistheGOAT]

Funny little tidbit on the Hawks board

Andrew Brayshaw

8

Andrew Brayshaw

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.3

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.1

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.1

4star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

coming back home next year as a FA and we're supposedly the frontrunner

Cripps
Walsh
Brayshaw
Cerra
FOS/Draper/Lalor/Smith
Hewett

Where would that midfield rank across the league?

 

[teddy-hopkins]

What has Jack Carroll done to be rated so highly? Can someone please point me to even one AFL game that he was close to being among our best on the ground?

We recruit a guy, invest 4 years developing him, get all the way up to the point where he looks like becoming a regular player then delist him for nothing. And is a good guy / hard worker.

As I say strangest LM decision I've ever seen.

 

[Benaly28]

Funny little tidbit on the Hawks board

Andrew Brayshaw

8

Andrew Brayshaw

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.3

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.1

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.1

4star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

coming back home next year as a FA and we're supposedly the frontrunner

Cripps
Walsh
Brayshaw
Cerra
FOS/Draper/Lalor/Smith
Hewett

Where would that midfield rank across the league?

Shhhhh…..


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[The Old Dark Navy's]

Funny little tidbit on the Hawks board

Andrew Brayshaw coming back home next year as a FA and we're supposedly the frontrunner

Cripps
Walsh
Brayshaw
Cerra
FOS/Draper/Lalor/Smith
Hewett

Where would that midfield rank across the league?

It would certainly make us the hardest working midfield. I feel like Cerra or Hewett might fall out of that midfield. Hopefully Cerra gets back to his best. If this is true, then Brayshaw is coming to play with Cerra and Acres again.

 

[sweethoney]

Funny little tidbit on the Hawks board

Andrew Brayshaw coming back home next year as a FA and we're supposedly the frontrunner

Cripps
Walsh
Brayshaw
Cerra
FOS/Draper/Lalor/Smith
Hewett

Where would that midfield rank across the league?

Hopefully we are into him. I know saints are trying already

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

It would certainly make us the hardest working midfield. I feel like Cerra or Hewett might fall out of that midfield. Hopefully Cerra gets back to his best. If this is true, then Brayshaw is coming to play with Cerra and Acres again.

Walsh
Walker
Cerra
Brayshaw
FOS/Draper/Lalor/Smith

That would be one hell of a midfield for the future

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Funny little tidbit on the Hawks board

Andrew Brayshaw coming back home next year as a FA and we're supposedly the frontrunner

Cripps
Walsh
Brayshaw
Cerra
FOS/Draper/Lalor/Smith
Hewett

Where would that midfield rank across the league?

I find that rumour extremely hard to believe. Brayshaw really isn’t the kind of player we need either.

 

[JJBagger]

Jack Carroll is probably sitting at home thinking how hard done by he is for getting delisted when Corey Durdin was given a 2 year contract and Matthew Cottrell was given a 3 year contract. If this club wants to be seen as ruthless with list decisions, then maybe they should go all in. No half measures. It’s just weird.

I remember seeing people freaking out on here before the Sydney game because Cottrell was out injured. He was a key piece of the team that made a prelim 13 months ago