That would hopefully equate to season 2024 (as good as missed the finals)
One can hope, but that's a hell of a lot of pressure on pick #3
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One can hope, but that's a hell of a lot of pressure on pick #3
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I love the insinuation that the signing of Fantasia would be enough for the club to lose faith in the senior coach.
Just because a player is a whipping boy on big footy doesn’t mean they are everywhere else.
Fantasia always was, and continues to be, low risk, high reward, cheap, experienced, depth.
The fact the small/medium forwards at the club had such a poor year that he got 15 games despiste below average play tells me that it’s one of our greatest RFI areas in 2025.
Just because a player is a whipping boy on big footy doesn’t mean they are everywhere else.
Fantasia always was, and continues to be, low risk, high reward, cheap, experienced, depth.
The fact the small/medium forwards at the club had such a poor year that he got 15 games despiste below average play tells me that it’s one of our greatest RFI areas in 2025.
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"garbage you say"
I'm happy with disagreement- what do you disagree with though?I’m very ok with your opinion mate but I don’t agree with it.
Hope you’re having a good time in Melbourne mate
if 'great' is contending for a finals position - which IS an improvement on the last 20 years but NOT over the last three - I agree...just not my definition of 'great'.
yes Soapy - problem is that we have evidence of LT structural issues with key player injury as a serious issue - Cerra and Walsh are key components of the team - there are others still on the list who are flaky at their best as far as prone to injury...McGovern/Williams two name just two more Saad and Docherty are a year older...both Docherty and SOJ coming back from ACL's...etc etc..
I have question marks over Voss's handling of the team as a team - even taking into account injuries.
As for game plan - we will have to wait and see.
My point is I dont expect anything more than another finals appearance with this team and maybe this coach.
Fair points. I have questions around our coaching and am surprised we didn’t change anyone. However, Cook & Sayers aren’t idiots. I have to assume they have worked with coaches about failures this year and how coaches will “adapt and improve” to play a modern game
There were concerns all year by coaches about our midfield mix
As for the team. My opinion is based on ability and also belief in improvement in youth. Fitness is massive. Our A grade talent is as good as any
I go though our list and nearly every player has a big upside to what they produced this year. Cripps is the only player that had a career best season
Cerra and Walsh are flying and already training. We need them fit. Talk is Innes has made changes already and has addressed what he sees as some major flaws
A lot of things need to go right but IMO we have the talent to go all the way in 2025. Our list “potentially” next year is much better than this year
Only time will tell if we can take advantages of it
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Yep. Should get an easier draw too next year given where we finished in season 2024 vs 2023.
I'm really looking forward to a change up with our midfield mix. Just has to happen now. Cerra back fit and firing is significant.
Smith, FOS or Draper into the mix really gives us a boost of energy in there too.
Lord did some good work in there tail end of last season.
Walsh needs to be more outside... it's just not working as a more inside mid. Ollie looked good at hb. Walsh on the wing I'd like to see that move made.
B: Cowan - Weiters - Newman
HB: Ollie - Haynes - Saad
C: Walsh - Cripps - Acres
HF: Elijah - Harry - Kemp
F: Williams - Charlie - Fogarty
FOLL: TDK - Cerra - Pick 3
IC: Hewett - Gov - Boyd - Doc
SUB: Cottrell/Cincotta
We have JSOS and Moir that can come in too... also Lord, Binns, Wilson and the Campos if they prove themselves in VFL... Voss needs to stop persisting with older players regardless of their performance. Put pressure on them to perform!
Despite losing Owies - Motlop and Durdin have work to do barring injuries. Just not good enough in 2024, either of them.
Will be a make or break year for Young too... if he doesn't really step up... he will be gone.
Definitely Walsh needs to stop playing as an inside mid. Wing would be ideal.
Cerra & Lord on the ball. As someone else mentioned, C Durdin should have stints in the midfield also.
Voss' reluctance to take a chance on the young blokes and go with players half done, reeks of self-preservation to me.
He needs to step up, put his head on the block and start rewarding players pushing for the best 22.
I understand that some players just weren't ready but it's unfair not to reward them for good form.
Especially important to blood them during the season, giving them a chance when injuries or form to senior players dictate changes, allowing them to to settle.
Not just when half the team is out and the fate of the team's season rests on them coming straight in and play cut-throat footy on their first game.
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100%
This form of "preservation" is actually more detrimental to him... Teague went down that path and ended up getting sacked.
I can't emphasise enough the importance of recruiting another young KPD. In my opinion, nailing one at pick 38, who can play best 22 football within 2 years propels this generation into premiership contention because freeing up weitering rectifies our ball movement. Over to you Nick Austin. Nail pick 38, should we retain it, and you have engineered one of the greatest drafts in Carlton's history
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I just look at it like this... In 3-4 years time our list will be looking something like this.
O'Farrell + O'Sullivan are just assumed picks in the range we have though could be a range of players at those picks.
Using the 2015 draft as a cut off
Boyd Weitering Kemp
Cowan O'Farrell* Wilson
Binns Cerra O.Hollands
O'Sullivan* Curnow Fogarty
Motlop McKay Moir
DeKoning Walsh Walker
E.Hollands B.Camporeale Durdin Silvagni
Cottrell etc
Thats without taking into account trades, free agents, NGA kids, other F/S's, veterans that will still be around etc.
We are well set for the future.
O'Farrell + O'Sullivan are just assumed picks in the range we have though could be a range of players at those picks.
Using the 2015 draft as a cut off
Boyd Weitering Kemp
Cowan O'Farrell* Wilson
Binns Cerra O.Hollands
O'Sullivan* Curnow Fogarty
Motlop McKay Moir
DeKoning Walsh Walker
E.Hollands B.Camporeale Durdin Silvagni
Cottrell etc
Thats without taking into account trades, free agents, NGA kids, other F/S's, veterans that will still be around etc.
We are well set for the future.
What if there isn’t a good one available?
A good key defender this year or next is a given. Haynes holds down the fort for a few seasons while they develop. If there is none available we just bring in a good mature option in the next three seasons.
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Huh? Melbourne traded up for pick 3 and picked Luke Jackson who was instrumental in a premiership season in only his second season. Daicos was instrumental in Collingwood's last flag and Ashcroft won a norm not long after he was drafted (both were gifted to their respective clubs, but same principal applies).
Clearly, like these premiership winning teams before them, Carlton have identified a player at pick 3 who can help us win a GF, and help us stay contenders for the future. Young, talented kids can and had just as big of an impact as the star trade.
Are we that bad?
Weitering is a Star
Silvagni will play there next year and is 26
We will add at least one, possibly two via DFA, Rookie etc. Names like Philips, DGB being mentioned
Lemmey has shown signs and is young. Big year for him
Young is handy
Durdin is being given pre season to show he can stay fit
Haynes, McGovern are third tall options that can play tall
If only 1 or 2 step up next year we look very different
I am all for drafting another tall but not for the heck of it
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Yep the Club IS looking out a bit further than 2025 - that was the whole point of my post and 2026 may not feature the current coach which was the second point of my post...
You really think bringing in houston would be the tipping point in winning a premiership?
I just wonder if we followed the pies model for next year with their all in approach what people would be saying.
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Make sure we recruit Ethan Phillips & wait till next year.
Traded up? Melbourne finished 17th that year
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I think a developed player (good enough to be AA 2 X) with an elite kicking capability would be a much bigger factor in winning a premiership than any draftee - but that wasn't the real point I was making anyway.
Houston and Nick Daicos are going to be a huge positive for Collingwood - now they have two genuine elite field kicks to go coast to coast with...Carlton doesn't have ONE from defense to forward fifty - not one - closest thing to a decent kick is Newman who is almost retired and McGovern who is always half injured.
People wnt speed through teh arcs - I would settle for a couple of decent kicks in teh side between the arcs...
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Don’t think we could afford Houston.
We also shed some contracts that will put us in a great position this coming season. If Young too had of been taken by another club, then maybe Houston would have been in play. I believe that’s what we were holding out for and why Houston really thought he was a chance to get to us. As soon as it was clear there were no takers for Young, the door was shut.
We all want players to improve our club and Houston was just that. But we still need to work within the salary cap. There’s a huge difference between us and the Pies with big money earners. They definitely had more room in their cap and will have much more at the end of 2025 with several players to retire. While we will want to lock away TDK which will set us back plenty
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I really hope Jack is just getting training with the defensive group to prevent Kemp being recalled there, because I think Kemp is better served training with the forwards and mids. Still want Jack forward at this stage, but happy to cultivate some versatility and emergency depth.
Philips just strikes me as more of the same along the lines of Durdin - who has had 3 seasons to prove his fitness and failed - while DGB is just not the right frame and seems to be allergic to contested work. I still think Weideman is a better option in a new environment with a little patience.
Haynes is holding the fort and Lemmey will probably be delisted in 2025 unless he seriously steps up his intensity more consistently. I don't care what end of the ground it happens at, but it needs to start happening for him.
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You're so right, forgot they traded up for 8, not 3. 8 ended up being pick 12, and they used it on Pickett, so point still stands.
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I don’t see Ollie at HB yet.
Much prefer Doc or Boyd starting back there - both stronger & better kicks than Ollie.
His weakness over the ball worries me & without doubt other clubs will pull him deep & play through his man.
Rather he stays on the wing and pushes back to provide run off HB if needed.
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Him spending time back develops both him and potentially Binns, pick 3, Doc and the Camporeales get development time on the wing. Perhaps Walsh and/or Cerra gets minutes there too, even Lord for some exposure. Hell, even Charlie and Harry could push up there for cameos if Kemp and/or Moir step up.
Changes up the dynamics. He is not lacking physicality when compared to others playing the “seagull” role in recent years. Part of his perceived lack of physicality has more to do with the miles he runs each game day, always running on a half empty tank due to his constant effort presenting to contest after contest dmefensively.
Ollie will spend significant time in the back half in 2025. He was highly effective in the games he played there. For mine shares 7th defender role with Doc and Kempy, allowing some development across the team.
Him spending time back develops both him and potentially Binns, pick 3, Doc and the Camporeales get development time on the wing. Perhaps Walsh and/or Cerra gets minutes there too, even Lord for some exposure. Hell, even Charlie and Harry could push up there for cameos if Kemp and/or Moir step up.
Changes up the dynamics. He is not lacking physicality when compared to others playing the “seagull” role in recent years. Part of his perceived lack of physicality has more to do with the miles he runs each game day, always running on a half empty tank due to his constant effort presenting to contest after contest dmefensively.
