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[branedotorg]

Against two of the sh***est sides in the AFL is why.

accurate but kemp also lead towards the ball carrier, rther than standing and wrestling and waiting for the high ball.

if we can bring that into the mix, one leading and one or two engaging the body it immediately makes entry into the f50 more dynamic and less obvious

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

accurate but kemp also lead towards the ball carrier, rther than standing and wrestling and waiting for the high ball.

if we can bring that into the mix, one leading and one or two engaging the body it immediately makes entry into the f50 more dynamic and less obvious

So do Charlie and Harry. Difference is they have genuine gun defenders stuck to them like glue every second they're on the ground with others in their leading lanes to prevent them too.

Kemp does/did not.

 

[VainGlorious]

Kind of wish we had Blaine Boekhorst on the list.

Decent winger.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Sure thing, that would be in the https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2025-best-23-emergencies-rolling.1387405/ thread, yes???

Yeah, right before your question on Ollie being in the starting team...

 

[goreds]

Yeah, right before your question on Ollie being in the starting team...

He doesn't make my side, just too light and no standout quality...

 

[VainGlorious]

Thought this would be of interest to those that mentioned his name as a possible DFA.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Thought this would be of interest to those that mentioned his name as a possible DFA.

I think this sums up Weidman pretty well. Never had the heart to compete.

 

[JustaBattler]

I think you're looking at the Houston thing the wrong way. By trading up to Pick #3 we're clearly looking to add another ELITE cog to our side. That's why you trade 12 and 14 for #3, because we want to get a look at an elite player not just young depth.

When considering why we chose Pick #3 over Houston the decision was pretty clear. Both give us an option at an elite player to add to our side, the difference being that one is a half back flanker and would be on close to $1m a year and the other is (likely to be) a midfielder and on a rookie wage.

I suspect it was more the cash and potentially the positional need (needing midfield pace over backline support) steered us down the path of Pick #3 over Houston, but what we were looking to add was an elite player - that's pretty clear.

I think people take a high draft pick as a given future elite player way way too much for granted- when the evidence over decades suggests it is a goodish bet that the player becomes okish - maybe - if all goes well. Peopel can point to teh high picks that are great - but forget the many more that are total duds.

 

[BlueAbroad]

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I think people take a high draft pick as a given future elite player way way too much for granted- when the evidence over decades suggests it is a goodish bet that the player becomes okish - maybe - if all goes well. Peopel can point to teh high picks that are great - but forget the many more that are total duds.

Regardless. That's clearly what the club is looking for. But i disagree with your position. I think Pick #3 has a clearly better chance of landing elite players.

Successful Picks roughly #2-#4 in the past 10 years include: Callum Mills, Clayton Oliver, Tim Taranto, Hugh McLuggage, Andrew Brayshaw, Luke Davies Uniacke, Isaac Rankine, Max King, Noah Anderson, Luke Jackson, Riley Thilthorpe, Logan McDonald, Sam Darcy, Finn Callaghan, Nick Daicos

Successful Picks roughly #12-#14 in the past 10 years include: Hipwood, Rioli, Simpkin, Perryman, Fogarty, Butters, Quaynor, Pickett, Day, Bruhn, Powell, Sinn, Hobbs.

There's a pretty clear difference in quality between those two lists, there's maybe one elite player in the 12-14 section - Zak Butters. Whereas there's 9-10 in the first group. There's a very clear difference in quality.

 

[VainGlorious]

5-6 years - $5 million

He’ll get something close to that, be it here, or at another club.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I think people take a high draft pick as a given future elite player way way too much for granted- when the evidence over decades suggests it is a goodish bet that the player becomes okish - maybe - if all goes well. Peopel can point to teh high picks that are great - but forget the many more that are total duds.

No draft pick is a given elite player at AFL level.

Club has backed themselves in to draft one that will improve our midfield. It's clear the club has identified this area our biggest weakness... and very rightly so...

I've mentioned this many times... Houston would improve our side, no doubt... but at the same time, he will be just as stifled as our other players with the lack of movement from our midfield. He will end up booting the ball long up the wing as well and he will get away with it because the majority of the time, there are no other options aside from pinpoint passes to team mates who are sandwiched between two or more opponents.

The midfield were one paced, heavily reliant on Cripps, stagnant when we need to bring the ball out of our d50 and very poor at delivering the ball i50...

Houston doesn't do much to address this and a pick outside the top 10 drastically reduces our chances of picking up a kid that will.

This year's draft has been rated as one of the best, if not the best since 2001. And the highest rated players are midfielders. A pick at the top end gives us a great chance at drafting an elite talent that will bolster our midfield for years to come alongside Walker.

There's no doubt we needed to change up our midfield mix and we have done just that. Kennedy as much as I loved the bloke, heart and soul player that would be relied upon to do several jobs including rucking at stages... was also one of the biggest culprits when it comes to being slow and delivering poorly i50. He was hard done by in the ef, but if he was after more mid minutes, then there was just no way we could facilitate that request.

Hewett and Cripps are starting to enter an age where they will begin to decline. Walsh has been sub par playing inside and Cerra was mia this year. If Walsh's back is going to be causing him grief from now on and Cerra's hamstring issues don't go away, where do you see our already weak midfield going in the next few years? And it'll only be compounded by Tassie coming in too...

So yes, it is a massive gamble to rely on a draft pick... but there was no Petracca nominating us was there? So as far as I'm concerned, it was a good move from the club to forget about spending valuable draft capital and packing our salary cap on an aging hbf and instead look to bring in an elite young talent that will address the biggest area of need.

Austin had a lot of guts to take this risk... he's obviously very confident and risks need to be made to go to the next level.

 

[The Bighouse]

5-6 years - $5 million

He’ll get something close to that, be it here, or at another club.

Prob looking at $6-7M over 5yrs from others, mainly STK will be pushing some of their S/C for big name contracts. $1.2 to $1.4M a season…
Big money for a ruckman. Over capitalising.

 

[VainGlorious]

Prob looking at $6-7M over 5yrs from others, mainly STK will be pushing some of their S/C for big name contracts. $1.2 to $1.4M a season…
Big money for a ruckman. Over capitalising.

At what point do the club walk away?

He’s obviously going to get a helluva lot more elsewhere, that is an absolute certainty.

I’d say we’ll tap out at around $900k a year.

In a perfect world we’d get him signed up nice and early. The longer it drags, the more likely it is that he’ll chase the $.

 

[Bfevola]

TDK has always taken a while to sign contracts. And they have always been short ones. Leads me to believe he will most definetely be a money chaser.

Prove me wrong Tommy…………….

 

[HereComesJuddy]

At what point do the club walk away?

He’s obviously going to get a helluva lot more elsewhere, that is an absolute certainty.

I’d say we’ll tap out at around $900k a year.

In a perfect world we’d get him signed up nice and early. The longer it drags, the more likely it is that he’ll chase the $.

There will only be 2 clubs for Tom. Geelong and us, and Geelong won’t be offering over a million.

Tom will stay and he will play for under compared to idiotic clubs like the Saints offering huge money. He won’t even consider it

 

[Blue_Fusion]

TDK has always taken a while to sign contracts. And they have always been short ones. Leads me to believe he will most definetely be a money chaser.

Prove me wrong Tommy…………….

Just about every gun player leaves their FA year open...

Tom and his manager both know this will likely be his biggest opportunity at big money as FA usually falls smack bang in a player's prime.

Can't blame him for wanting to maximise his earnings at this stage of his career because he likely won't be getting as much in future contracts.

Having said that, can't see him leaving to go to a basket case club like the Stains. It's either Geelong to play alongside his bro or stay loyal to Carlton. Both clubs will offer him a similar pay day.

 

[koutashoulda1_1]

The Brissy team he captained to a hatrick was also built around a boardroom by the AFL with more list management concessions than any other team in the history of the game.

Interesting, seems besides the point tho.

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[koutashoulda1_1]

if it's personnel, why did it look better when Charlie and McKay weren't in the side? When we only had Kemp as a target, the team showed that if forced, they can find leading targets i50.

Because we were playing a historically bad, young west coast eagles at the tail end of the year. The numerous sudden unknowns couldnt have helped their planning either. Lost to St Kilda with a similar team

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[BringFevBack2021]

I think this sums up Weidman pretty well. Never had the heart to compete.

I was told the Dons thought they had a steal until they saw him in an intra club

Too nice, too gentle and hated high pressure moments - was a very hard worker and did everything right except compete

 

[JustaBattler]

No draft pick is a given elite player at AFL level.

Club has backed themselves in to draft one that will improve our midfield. It's clear the club has identified this area our biggest weakness... and very rightly so...

I've mentioned this many times... Houston would improve our side, no doubt... but at the same time, he will be just as stifled as our other players with the lack of movement from our midfield. He will end up booting the ball long up the wing as well and he will get away with it because the majority of the time, there are no other options aside from pinpoint passes to team mates who are sandwiched between two or more opponents.

The midfield were one paced, heavily reliant on Cripps, stagnant when we need to bring the ball out of our d50 and very poor at delivering the ball i50...

Houston doesn't do much to address this and a pick outside the top 10 drastically reduces our chances of picking up a kid that will.

This year's draft has been rated as one of the best, if not the best since 2001. And the highest rated players are midfielders. A pick at the top end gives us a great chance at drafting an elite talent that will bolster our midfield for years to come alongside Walker.

There's no doubt we needed to change up our midfield mix and we have done just that. Kennedy as much as I loved the bloke, heart and soul player that would be relied upon to do several jobs including rucking at stages... was also one of the biggest culprits when it comes to being slow and delivering poorly i50. He was hard done by in the ef, but if he was after more mid minutes, then there was just no way we could facilitate that request.

Hewett and Cripps are starting to enter an age where they will begin to decline. Walsh has been sub par playing inside and Cerra was mia this year. If Walsh's back is going to be causing him grief from now on and Cerra's hamstring issues don't go away, where do you see our already weak midfield going in the next few years? And it'll only be compounded by Tassie coming in too...

So yes, it is a massive gamble to rely on a draft pick... but there was no Petracca nominating us was there? So as far as I'm concerned, it was a good move from the club to forget about spending valuable draft capital and packing our salary cap on an aging hbf and instead look to bring in an elite young talent that will address the biggest area of need.

Austin had a lot of guts to take this risk... he's obviously very confident and risks need to be made to go to the next level.

The best midfield (on ball) combo I've seen in the last 20 years watching AFL was the Hawthorn mob - not ONE of them was a fast runner. Brains and kicking skill beats a stop watch BS 'athletic' promise every day of the week....on the outside- Acres/Cottrell/Holands are no slower than what Hawthorn had - bt up forward ou HFF and smalls lack any explosive pace...super speed where you want it is in players who are going to find space in dangerous places - and Carlton doesn't have that - Id back Harry MCkay and a fit Curnow to outrun the rest of them over any distance...



I agree with your observations about the lack of targets between the arcs - but I also concluded a long time ago that Carlton is short footy smarts more than anything else- compounded (obviously) by pretty ordinary midfield coaching...

nwo I dont really follow all the armchair discussions on draftee - buy i habve noted that most of the top ranked players arent rated as. great field kicks either..

I do like the idea of adding young blood to teh list - and my strong preference was a two for...go at it...rather than an all in " chosen one" - been there done that...

 

[Crippa#9]

Prob looking at $6-7M over 5yrs from others, mainly STK will be pushing some of their S/C for big name contracts. $1.2 to $1.4M a season…
Big money for a ruckman. Over capitalising.

Actually now see him as a 200cm mid who can mark, kick goals and win clearances himself. Being able to ruck is simply a bonus. Proper unicorn. The late season Essendon & Geelong games were ridiculous. Pay him what he wants. He’ll be playing All Australian levels these next five years.

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

The best midfield (on ball) combo I've seen in the last 20 years watching AFL was the Hawthorn mob - not ONE of them was a fast runner. Brains and kicking skill beats a stop watch BS 'athletic' promise every day of the week....on the outside- Acres/Cottrell/Holands are no slower than what Hawthorn had - bt up forward ou HFF and smalls lack any explosive pace...super speed where you want it is in players who are going to find space in dangerous places - and Carlton doesn't have that - Id back Harry MCkay and a fit Curnow to outrun the rest of them over any distance...



I agree with your observations about the lack of targets between the arcs - but I also concluded a long time ago that Carlton is short footy smarts more than anything else- compounded (obviously) by pretty ordinary midfield coaching...

nwo I dont really follow all the armchair discussions on draftee - buy i habve noted that most of the top ranked players arent rated as. great field kicks either..

I do like the idea of adding young blood to teh list - and my strong preference was a two for...go at it...rather than an all in " chosen one" - been there done that...

Tend to agree. We have no speed forward of centre. Draper would help with overlap run and burst from stoppage but we need quick, smart small forwards as well. Maybe pick 38 Austin has some ideas…

 

[BlueTongue]

6 x 900k mid/backended

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Tend to agree. We have no speed forward of centre. Draper would help with overlap run and burst from stoppage but we need quick, smart small forwards as well. Maybe pick 38 Austin has some ideas…

You either need a hard running midfield or elite half forwards capable of coming up to stoppage to create the overlap. Ideally you have both but atm we have neither.

Draper/FOS/Smith + A couple of hard working half forwards would go a long way to fixing our transition offence and defence issues. Unfortunately it was always going to be impossible to address that all in one off season... But hopefully Durdin and Motlop can find some health and form again next year to bridge that gap.