List Mgmt. 2025 List Mismanagement and Trading

[WaynesWorld19]

A little bit more on this

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2025-adelaides-older-side-paying-dividends-in-fantastic-start-to-2025-season/news-story/769b15fb7c62697e61d9f325debfeae5

Not since Don Pyke’s last game as Crows senior coach – against the Western Bulldogs in Ballarat five-and-a-half seasons ago – had the club fielded a team that old. The average age was just over 27 years in Pyke’s swan song, but dropped significantly the next season when Nicks arrived and youngsters were blooded as the club started a rebuild. Adelaide had the seventh-youngest list in 2020, the most youthful in 2021 and 2022, then the second-youngest in 2023.

It climbed from fifth-youngest (average age of 24.1) to seventh-oldest (24.7) after the off-season recruitment of Melbourne’s Alex Neal-Bullen, 29, and GWS duo Isaac Cumming, 26, and James Peatling, 24. Add to that Wayne Milera’s comeback and Adelaide suddenly has far more experience – and quality – compared to last year when injuries exposed a lack of depth.

Did some poster say this is The Clubs best list ever assembled ....... and that it just lacked experience



Note: there's a big difference between having a great list, and winning a Flag ....just ask Cameron & his GWS Lamborghini list

 

[Mutineer]

I'm no Draper fan, but I think he's up forward because they have so few options.

So you would expect when Peter Wright is good to go in a couple of weeks Draper will then be their 1st ruck choice?

 

[baldandbroke]

I'm no Draper fan, but I think he's up forward because they have so few options.

He is marking it.

He was brave enough to develop and implement an effective goal kicking technique that works for him.

Two areas he is ahead of ROB.

 

[Cromulant]

He is marking it.

He was brave enough to develop and implement an effective goal kicking technique that works for him.

Two areas he is ahead of ROB.

But if hes coming to replace ROB as a ruck then he's an inferior ruck, and he's not required to play forward in our side.

 

[Mutineer]

He is marking it.

He was brave enough to develop and implement an effective goal kicking technique that works for him.

Two areas he is ahead of ROB.

He'd want to be....by plenty..

2025 KE% currently 42.9%

 

[Magma]

I'm not a Draper fan but if we need a ruck without giving up any draft capital I'm not as against it as others on here. I think that's the main reason we would of entertained the idea.

i'd rather see what t murray offers before entertaining draper. he'd seemingly command a big wage and doesnt have the ability to be a first ruck. we hardly need to waste 800k+ if that is the figure to be believed on an inferior thilthorpe.

 

[Betts are off]

i'd rather see what t murray offers before entertaining draper. he'd seemingly command a big wage and doesnt have the ability to be a first ruck. we hardly need to waste 800k+ if that is the figure to be believed on an inferior thilthorpe.

TBH I'm not sure he will demand a bank breaking wage. Primarily because Essendon are likely incentivised to take a compo pick given they are already talking about a list rebuild and looking like a potential bottom 4 side.

If I were the Crows (assuming they want him) I would not throw the number above band 2 or even band 3. The Bombers are guaranteed to not match that if a pick in the late teens early twenties comes back. And I don't see anyone else in the market for him to drive the price up

 

[Mutineer]

TBH I'm not sure he will demand a bank breaking wage. Primarily because Essendon are likely incentivised to take a compo pick given they are already talking about a list rebuild and looking like a potential bottom 4 side.

If I were the Crows (assuming they want him) I would not throw the number above band 2 or even band 3. The Bombers are guaranteed to not match that if a pick in the late teens early twenties comes back. And I don't see anyone else in the market for him to drive the price up

Why wouldn't Essendon offer to match if Draper's wage isn't enough to get them band 1 or at least band 2 if they know we are desperatee to lure him away? Dodoro isn't in charge anymore it's Matt Rosa in charge now.

I'd much rather target Max Ramsden who is 5 or 6 years younger and better skilled who is currently cooling his jets behind Lloyd Meek and Ned Reeves.

 

[jimvic]

So you would expect when Peter Wright is good to go in a couple of weeks Draper will then be their 1st ruck choice?

well - he did kick 3 goals, but yes you would expect him back in the ruck once 2m Peter is back

 

[jimvic]

Why wouldn't Essendon offer to match if Draper's wage isn't enough to get them band 1 or at least band 2 if they know we are desperatee to lure him away? Dodoro isn't in charge anymore it's Matt Rosa in charge now.

I'd much rather target Max Ramsden who is 5 or 6 years younger and better skilled who is currently cooling his jets behind Lloyd Meek and Ned Reeves.

not sure if Ramsden (who isn't from SA) will want to move from a big Vic team to Adelaide, even though his prospects of getting a game would be better

 

[Mutineer]

not sure if Ramsden (who isn't from SA) will want to move from a big Vic team to Adelaide, even though his prospects of getting a game would be better

Universal Love - Destination Adelaide!

Some good points here by Riley. Missed the opportunity to mention a new home ground coming too. https://www.afl.com.au/news/1286690

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Coopers]

so how hard is the afl media going to try and push draper to us to kickstart essendon's rebuild?

But I'd really like a good ruckman.

Like an actual upgrade on ROB, not just the same dude, but younger, but with worse hair.

 

[Golumless]

Did some poster say this is The Clubs best list ever assembled ....... and that it just lacked experience

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Note: there's a big difference between having a great list, and winning a Flag ....just ask Cameron & his GWS Lamborghini list

Considering how much that comments grossly undersells the 1997/1998 lists (in particular), I don't know if I'd be crowing about that just because someone said 'destination club'.

 

[Golumless]

not sure if Ramsden (who isn't from SA) will want to move from a big Vic team to Adelaide, even though his prospects of getting a game would be better

He's a ruck. If there is a job on offer at Adelaide, and not one at the Hawks, he'd be mad not to take it (especially if we're on the up as we're threatening to be). There is only 18 of them in the league.

 

[Betts are off]

Why wouldn't Essendon offer to match if Draper's wage isn't enough to get them band 1 or at least band 2 if they know we are desperatee to lure him away? Dodoro isn't in charge anymore it's Matt Rosa in charge now.

I'd much rather target Max Ramsden who is 5 or 6 years younger and better skilled who is currently cooling his jets behind Lloyd Meek and Ned Reeves.

IMO any club who's coach is using his teams upcoming draft hand in their answers on AFL 360 after round 2, are telegraphing their intentions. And its not retaining over priced middle of the pack FA ruckman.

TBH I'm predicting the word "firesale" to be used in relation to Essendon within the next 3 months. Also predict reports that the Crows have cooled on Draper.

 

[whattagun07]

I don't want anyone else.

Same

When I think about it, I touch myself.

 

[FR0GGY]

He'd want to be....by plenty..

2025 KE% currently 42.9%

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Going at 90% goal kicking

 

[Captain Furious]

IMO any club who's coach is using his teams upcoming draft hand in their answers on AFL 360 after round 2, are telegraphing their intentions. And its not retaining over priced middle of the pack FA ruckman.

TBH I'm predicting the word "firesale" to be used in relation to Essendon within the next 3 months. Also predict reports that the Crows have cooled on Draper.

Agreed, Draper is a potato with one great highlight in an otherwise underwhelming career at a nothing club and I suspect we're realising now that he won't make us better. He'll be our dodged bullet for this year a la Harrison Petty - imagine there's still some at Melbourne who wake up in a cold sweat remembering turning down 2 x 1st round picks for him.

Best case scenario is T Murray and McAndrew have strong years showing reasonable skill with the ball and ability to mark around the ground, we move forward with them and use a later draft pick or rookie on a longer term project ruck.

 

[1970crow]

He is marking it.

He was brave enough to develop and implement an effective goal kicking technique that works for him.

Two areas he is ahead of ROB.

From memory you’re a golfer, maybe ex off scratch? Anyway, I’ve resorted to drastic changes to try and cure putting yips in the past. Went through a stage of just walking up, ball at front foot, back foot behind like I’m still walking and just hitting it like I’m knocking it in from a couple of inches. One I’m still doing, even though I play very rarely. I’m still terrified of beginning the putting stroke, so I line up and am frozen, what breaks it is I remove my hands from the grip, reapply and go. My chest has tightened just typing this.

 

[Mutineer]

Going at 90% goal kicking

I thought we were looking for a ruckman to replace ROB for the immediate future not a forward to replace Thilthorpe or Fog?

 

[FR0GGY]

I thought we were looking for a ruckman to replace ROB for the immediate future not a forward to replace Thilthorpe or Fog?

So why are we worried about kicking then, that’s not a ruckman go?

 

[baldandbroke]

From memory you’re a golfer, maybe ex off scratch? Anyway, I’ve resorted to drastic changes to try and cure putting yips in the past. Went through a stage of just walking up, ball at front foot, back foot behind like I’m still walking and just hitting it like I’m knocking it in from a couple of inches. One I’m still doing, even though I play very rarely. I’m still terrified of beginning the putting stroke, so I line up and am frozen, what breaks it is I remove my hands from the grip, reapply and go. My chest has tightened just typing this.

Yep completely understand, and if you had to putt with a long putter OR arm-lock reverse OR some weird claw grip … and it worked. Would you give a rats that everyone thought you did it weird??

Some people do care how it looks, and they battle the mental demons every time they play.

Some just find an effective process and tool that all but eliminates the mental and technique demons.

I am still a low single figure golfer, play once a week - no time for practice. I have a chipper. A proper hackers tool. I get made fun of it by good golfers … until the end of the round then they are all wanting to have a go

 

[1970crow]

Considering how much that comments grossly undersells the 1997/1998 lists (in particular), I don't know if I'd be crowing about that just because someone said 'destination club'.

Old Waynus isn’t known for living in any form of reality.

 

[119others]

Cornes hypothesising NWM querying Powers prospects going forward and would he want to join them. Saying Powers list is in trouble and not attractive to coaches (compared to Bulldogs he used)

Crows pulling away here as THE destination club - certainly in the SA market

Kingy asking about Kanes thoughts on Rozee and JHF. Sounding deflated and getting defensive. Said Rozee ok after good start to the year. Now querying JHF body language and how will he go in a weak team. He sooks it up. How will he go in a rebuild. Giving away too many free kicks, Needs to be better consistently and not mope around with poor body language. A “dark shadow” over his team mates

 

[FR0GGY]

Cornes hypothesising NWM querying Powers prospects going forward and would he want to join them. Saying their list is in trouble and not attractive to coaches (compared to Bulldogs he used)

Crows pulling away here as THE destination club - certainly in the SA market

And once thebarton is finished, oh boy wowee