Player Watch #5 Jack Ross- Re-Signed until 2026

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Surely people aren't that naive to think that a player can be 'dropped' and be told they have areas to work on, without actually having to go back to the VFL to get the message and improve the approach to their game as a result.

Once again too many get caught up with what the stats sheet says and ignore that the match committee/coaches know far more than us in regards to what a players specific role was for each game.

So while you may have someone get 25 disposals and kick 1-2 goals, they may not have done the job that was asked of them in terms of being accountable for a dangerous opponent or they didn't quite adhere to team structures and set ups.

For example Ross may have been tasked with running with McCluggage on the wing when we played Brisbane. That night McCluggage had 34 disposals & 9 score involvements while gaining nearly 500m. Ross had 21 disposals, 1 goal & 4 score involvements while gaining 345m. We all agreed that Ross was one of our best on the night, but it's possible that the job he may have been seen as a failure given the impact McCluggage had.

Now before anyone jumps in and says how do you know that is true, I don't I'm just presenting an example of how a player who played 'well' in the eyes of supporters may not have actually played well.

 

[TigerImposter]

Surely people aren't that naive to think that a player can be 'dropped' and be told they have areas to work on, without actually having to go back to the VFL to get the message and improve the approach to their game as a result.

Once again too many get caught up with what the stats sheet says and ignore that the match committee/coaches know far more than us in regards to what a players specific role was for each game.

So while you may have someone get 25 disposals and kick 1-2 goals, they may not have done the job that was asked of them in terms of being accountable for a dangerous opponent or they didn't quite adhere to team structures and set ups.

For example Ross may have been tasked with running with McCluggage on the wing when we played Brisbane. That night McCluggage had 34 disposals & 9 score involvements while gaining nearly 500m. Ross had 21 disposals, 1 goal & 4 score involvements while gaining 345m. We all agreed that Ross was one of our best on the night, but it's possible that the job he may have been seen as a failure given the impact McCluggage had.

Now before anyone jumps in and says how do you know that is true, I don't I'm just presenting an example of how a player who played 'well' in the eyes of supporters may not have actually played well.

He never went back to the vfl
He was named sub and pretty well played a full game as Bauer went off early. He was one of our best players so what were these mysterious deficiencies that you noticed and the coaches that mysteriously reappeared or developed without playing a vfl game? As for looking at stats you would be ranked number two on here for committing that crime. Only stats l look at is our team stats v oppo team stats. I will raise the if a poster starts throwing stats up about a player , but refuses to bring up the player I’m referring to. Never read so much tripe.

 

[TigerImposter]

I mean McIntosh and Graham were right up in our best against the Hawks so you’d be sending all sorts of wrong messages dropping them after that game

Pickett is being asked to play as an undersized key forward which he probably got away with from time to time in the WAFL but is struggling with in the AFL. Unfortunately I don’t see what other options we have to play that role and free Pickett up to go back to the wing

We don’t have any Lynch style crash and bash key forwards currently playing VFL who are going to be any more capable than Pickett

JGTI has got some ball bc of the lower ranked opposition, but as a whole his form had been terrible.
Kmac has been basically horrible all year and even against the Eagles he was hardly noticed.

 

[Drunken Wookie]

i fully expect to be mentioned in his brownlow speech.

 

[tiger_tough]

Reckon he'll end up a gun inside outside midfielder. He'd be a great replacement for Cotchin next year. Just need two of Banks, Coulthard, Brown, Ralphsmith, Clarke to lock down the wing spots.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

JGTI has got some ball bc of the lower ranked opposition, but as a whole his form had been terrible.
Kmac has been basically horrible all year and even against the Eagles he was hardly noticed.

You see this is the magnificent beauty of stats TI. Somebody makes a claim, then you can check recorded statistics to see if the claim holds true.

"JGTI has got some ball bc of lower ranked opposition" you say.

There are only 3 teams under 7 wins after 18 games and those teams are all under 80% in terms of percentage. Hawthorn, Eagles, North. Graham has played 3 matches against these teams in 2023. He averages 15.66 disposals against them. Basically his 2023 disposal average v all comers. But one of those games - v Hawks - was highly competitive. The 2 less competitive games were v Eagles. Graham averaged 13 disposals in those games....hardly "getting some ball bc of the lower ranked opposition."

But my favourite bit is you seek to disregard Graham's performances on the basis they were against weaker opposition....then quote McIntosh's performance against the weakest opposition in memory as evidence he is having a horrible year. Same McIntosh who soared over his opponent to take a mark in the goalsquare late v Hawks, without which we do not win and season over.

I can see why you hate statistics and facts. They force you to be accountable for the wild claims you make.

 

[Grrr]

Surely people aren't that naive to think that a player can be 'dropped' and be told they have areas to work on, without actually having to go back to the VFL to get the message and improve the approach to their game as a result.

Once again too many get caught up with what the stats sheet says and ignore that the match committee/coaches know far more than us in regards to what a players specific role was for each game.

So while you may have someone get 25 disposals and kick 1-2 goals, they may not have done the job that was asked of them in terms of being accountable for a dangerous opponent or they didn't quite adhere to team structures and set ups.

For example Ross may have been tasked with running with McCluggage on the wing when we played Brisbane. That night McCluggage had 34 disposals & 9 score involvements while gaining nearly 500m. Ross had 21 disposals, 1 goal & 4 score involvements while gaining 345m. We all agreed that Ross was one of our best on the night, but it's possible that the job he may have been seen as a failure given the impact McCluggage had.

Now before anyone jumps in and says how do you know that is true, I don't I'm just presenting an example of how a player who played 'well' in the eyes of supporters may not have actually played well.

That may be so, but most players have elements of their game to work on, it's a pros and cons ledger. When you are getting 25 and 1 or 2 you'd think the ledger is on your side and that adjustments or improvements could be worked on while you are playing, not necessarily requiring demotion to do so. At times in the season the usual suspects on this board who were underperforming, sometimes for quite long periods, could have easily been sent to the VFL to run themselves into some form, but that seems an anathema to our coaching panel that last couple of years.

We might have seen Banks or others a bit earlier and assessed who is better going forward. There are some VFL boys who are ready and add something when they play. Coulthard on the weekend, maybe it was going to be Bauer.

By the way it was MacIntosh that was mainly lined up on McCluggage first half against Brissy. I think McCluggage then moved into the midfield. I know it was a scenario example only, and I get your point, but still when you are constantly getting in the best players, it seemed from the outside that Ross was harshly dealt with. It has been a pattern for a few years that underperforming senior players get the nod against well performing newer players. I guess that's pretty normal.

 

[Grrr]

i fully expect to be mentioned in his brownlow speech.

I'd like to thank Mr. Wookie, mum, dad, the coaches etc...

 

[Growapair]

Pickett is being asked to play as an undersized key forward which he probably got away with from time to time in the WAFL but is struggling with in the AFL. Unfortunately I don’t see what other options we have to play that role and free Pickett up to go back to the wing

We don’t have any Lynch style crash and bash key forwards currently playing VFL who are going to be any more capable than Pickett

Biggy should play this role, Pickett to the wing, Ross to the Centre. Cotchin managed.

The StKilda and Bulldogs games are the must wins, Cotch should be rested this week to be cherry ripe for them.

Champion Data reveals the two stars at the centre of Richmond’s recent slow starts

The Tigers have been behind at quarter-time in three of their last four matches.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Timothy Luncheon]

How incredible for him. Held back from playing in either Grand Final in 2019, in and out of the side, playing sub most weeks and being told to grow his game. And he's stuck it out and done that. Unbelievable determination and it's paying off for him. He's going to be very exciting to watch in the future. Hopefully he maintains this consistency, he's earned it. Sign him on Tigers

 

[TigerImposter]

You see this is the magnificent beauty of stats TI. Somebody makes a claim, then you can check recorded statistics to see if the claim holds true.

"JGTI has got some ball bc of lower ranked opposition" you say.

There are only 3 teams under 7 wins after 18 games and those teams are all under 80% in terms of percentage. Hawthorn, Eagles, North. Graham has played 3 matches against these teams in 2023. He averages 15.66 disposals against them. Basically his 2023 disposal average v all comers. But one of those games - v Hawks - was highly competitive. The 2 less competitive games were v Eagles. Graham averaged 13 disposals in those games....hardly "getting some ball bc of the lower ranked opposition."

But my favourite bit is you seek to disregard Graham's performances on the basis they were against weaker opposition....then quote McIntosh's performance against the weakest opposition in memory as evidence he is having a horrible year. Same McIntosh who soared over his opponent to take a mark in the goalsquare late v Hawks, without which we do not win and season over.

I can see why you hate statistics and facts. They force you to be accountable for the wild claims you make.

No mate as you need to compare them to his direct opponent

 

[domin8]

Biggy should play this role, Pickett to the wing, Ross to the Centre. Cotchin managed.

The StKilda and Bulldogs games are the must wins, Cotch should be rested this week to be cherry ripe for them.

Champion Data reveals the two stars at the centre of Richmond’s recent slow starts

The Tigers have been behind at quarter-time in three of their last four matches.

www.sen.com.au

Biggy is bog average mate. Will be delisted

 

[Profop]

Biggy should play this role, Pickett to the wing, Ross to the Centre. Cotchin managed.

The StKilda and Bulldogs games are the must wins, Cotch should be rested this week to be cherry ripe for them.

Champion Data reveals the two stars at the centre of Richmond’s recent slow starts

The Tigers have been behind at quarter-time in three of their last four matches.

www.sen.com.au

Biggy doesn’t crash packs

Bradtke does but isn’t fit enough to compete in a senior game

 

[TigerImposter]

Biggy is bog average mate. Will be delisted

Agree was playing better two years ago.

 

[Morro]

No mate as you need to compare them to his direct opponent

bro this aint 1v1 in the school yard, just accept that facts are slightly more accurate than your eye test

 

[Noidnadroj]

Agree he'd be a great sub. I'm still not sure he makes it to 100, not on merit at least.

I think it’s more likely he misses due to being in jail. Unless his case isn’t being heard until 2024 onwards?


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[tiger_tough]

I think it’s more likely he misses due to being in jail. Unless his case isn’t being heard until 2024 onwards?


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Won't be 2023 thats for sure

 

[Roachy8]

Great interview with Jack Ross on the club website.

'I think it's really promising' - Ross

Jack Ross speaks with media ahead of this weekend's clash with Melbourne.

www.richmondfc.com.au

When he has been in the media previously he has always impressed and now on attached - even more so.

Very level headed, mature, speaks well - this will freak some out on here but assuming he continues to develop and stays as a regular player I can 100% see him in a leadership role in the future.

I'm so happy for Rossy!

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

You see this is the magnificent beauty of stats TI. Somebody makes a claim, then you can check recorded statistics to see if the claim holds true.

"JGTI has got some ball bc of lower ranked opposition" you say.

There are only 3 teams under 7 wins after 18 games and those teams are all under 80% in terms of percentage. Hawthorn, Eagles, North. Graham has played 3 matches against these teams in 2023. He averages 15.66 disposals against them. Basically his 2023 disposal average v all comers. But one of those games - v Hawks - was highly competitive. The 2 less competitive games were v Eagles. Graham averaged 13 disposals in those games....hardly "getting some ball bc of the lower ranked opposition."

But my favourite bit is you seek to disregard Graham's performances on the basis they were against weaker opposition....then quote McIntosh's performance against the weakest opposition in memory as evidence he is having a horrible year. Same McIntosh who soared over his opponent to take a mark in the goalsquare late v Hawks, without which we do not win and season over.

I can see why you hate statistics and facts. They force you to be accountable for the wild claims you make.

 

[Growapair]

Biggy is bog average mate. Will be delisted

That's what everyone said about Townsend, but for a month in 2017 he was the missing piece.

When Biggy is played as third tall/medium forward, and that only, he seriously gets off the leash.

I still cannot believe the Coaches haven't worked out that he is not a key position player.

 

[peternorth]

Surely people aren't that naive to think that a player can be 'dropped' and be told they have areas to work on, without actually having to go back to the VFL to get the message and improve the approach to their game as a result.

Once again too many get caught up with what the stats sheet says and ignore that the match committee/coaches know far more than us in regards to what a players specific role was for each game.

So while you may have someone get 25 disposals and kick 1-2 goals, they may not have done the job that was asked of them in terms of being accountable for a dangerous opponent or they didn't quite adhere to team structures and set ups.

For example Ross may have been tasked with running with McCluggage on the wing when we played Brisbane. That night McCluggage had 34 disposals & 9 score involvements while gaining nearly 500m. Ross had 21 disposals, 1 goal & 4 score involvements while gaining 345m. We all agreed that Ross was one of our best on the night, but it's possible that the job he may have been seen as a failure given the impact McCluggage had.

Now before anyone jumps in and says how do you know that is true, I don't I'm just presenting an example of how a player who played 'well' in the eyes of supporters may not have actually played well.

I have it on good authority that McLuggage was tasked with keeping Ross under 20 possessions and 2 score involvements. So Ross wins

 

[domin8]

That's what everyone said about Townsend, but for a month in 2017 he was the missing piece.

When Biggy is played as third tall/medium forward, and that only, he seriously gets off the leash.

I still cannot believe the Coaches haven't worked out that he is not a key position player.

Townsend was carving up the VFL and won the Liston that year. He had form and runs on the board. Also had great footy smarts. Something Biggy lacks

 

[_RT_]

He never went back to the vfl
He was named sub and pretty well played a full game as Bauer went off early. He was one of our best players so what were these mysterious deficiencies that you noticed and the coaches that mysteriously reappeared or developed without playing a vfl game? As for looking at stats you would be ranked number two on here for committing that crime. Only stats l look at is our team stats v oppo team stats. I will raise the if a poster starts throwing stats up about a player , but refuses to bring up the player I’m referring to. Never read so much tripe.

On selection night, Ross was omitted, replaced in the selected side by either Prestia or Martin in the midfield. He got a reprieve when named the sub and made the most of the opportunity he got. Doesn't mean that he wasn't omitted for something that the coach/match committee weren't happy with. But of course that doesn't tie in with your boys club angle does it.

That may be so, but most players have elements of their game to work on, it's a pros and cons ledger. When you are getting 25 and 1 or 2 you'd think the ledger is on your side and that adjustments or improvements could be worked on while you are playing, not necessarily requiring demotion to do so. At times in the season the usual suspects on this board who were underperforming, sometimes for quite long periods, could have easily been sent to the VFL to run themselves into some form, but that seems an anathema to our coaching panel that last couple of years.

We might have seen Banks or others a bit earlier and assessed who is better going forward. There are some VFL boys who are ready and add something when they play. Coulthard on the weekend, maybe it was going to be Bauer.

By the way it was MacIntosh that was mainly lined up on McCluggage first half against Brissy. I think McCluggage then moved into the midfield. I know it was a scenario example only, and I get your point, but still when you are constantly getting in the best players, it seemed from the outside that Ross was harshly dealt with. It has been a pattern for a few years that underperforming senior players get the nod against well performing newer players. I guess that's pretty normal.

As has been mentioned by others previously, none of us have any real clue as to what is being asked of players from week to week depending on the match up. I was just using Ross/McCluggage as an example of how a player who we as fans may have thought played well may get dropped, because they didn't meet the criteria set for them. At the same time, it could explain why players some think have been in poor form for most of the year remain in the side, when most of us are calling for them to be dropped.

 

[TigerImposter]

On selection night, Ross was omitted, replaced in the selected side by either Prestia or Martin in the midfield. He got a reprieve when named the sub and made the most of the opportunity he got. Doesn't mean that he wasn't omitted for something that the coach/match committee weren't happy with. But of course that doesn't tie in with your boys club angle does it.


As has been mentioned by others previously, none of us have any real clue as to what is being asked of players from week to week depending on the match up. I was just using Ross/McCluggage as an example of how a player who we as fans may have thought played well may get dropped, because they didn't meet the criteria set for them. At the same time, it could explain why players some think have been in poor form for most of the year remain in the side, when most of us are calling for them to be dropped.

Well they mustn’t be asking for much from about four players then ? That’s a cop out statement and contradicts why he still wasn’t sent back to the VFL after the Swans game to work on these deficiencies. Lol.
Its bs RT and I’m not buying any of it.

 

[Wooden Robot]

Townsend ... up there with Aaron Keating, Scott Howell, Mario Bortolotto and fellow Richmond alumni Daryl Freame as the outright luckiest people in AFL history.
Maybe Freame was the luckiest, but Townsend is in the photo finish.
Somehow found himself in the semi-final team against Geelong in 1980 without having played a game all season.
Got in due to Rowlings and Cloke being injured for the semi and Landy getting suspended in the opening final v Carlton.
Then sat on the bench in the qualifying final until Sarah and Tempany got hurt and got even luckier when Dennis Collins 'allegedly' missed a session with the club sports psychologist during GF week.
Sometimes every single planet aligns.
Only managed two games in 1981 (including a one possession game in round 18) before being gone.