List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[CrowEater888]

Brander was played out of position for the games he played. I heard from his cousin he didn’t stop shaking for the match after this one. I’m not so sure about soft at this contest, I mean call the morgue if it was me …

Poor Brander gets absolutely Mummy-fied in monster tackle

Shane Mumford chooses Jarrod Brander as his latest victim in a brutal tackle

www.afl.com.au

It's unfortunate that when Mummy nailed him, he didn't know how to land properly to protect himself from possible injury.

In Judo they learn a move called 'ukemi or 'break fall' from white belt and Mummies hit is quite similar to an 'o soto gari' take down (see below).


If taught correctly, it is 100% possible to receive such a hit and not injure or concuss yourself (see below).


We really don't do enough to teach players about falling down safely...

I really hope the young man doesn't suffer any long term repercussions.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sorry to inturde but I noticed some talk around our 2022 1st pick, so here is my take. Firstly its hard for the Pies to trade out our future 1st because the rules state to do so you need to have a future 2nd and 3rd and we don't have a future 2nd. We do have 3 future 3rd rounders. If we could get a future second after the Daicos bid then it could open up potential trades.
My feeling is that our future 1st next year would be a top 8 selection. Anywhere from 1-8 and I wouldnt really want to give it up unless it guarantees a certain player. Maybe that sort player would be available at Adelaides 1st (will be pick 6) or Richmonds 1st pick (will be pick 9). If this was the case and both clubs agree (doubt Adelaide would for pick 6 but maybe they would if they got Richmonds pick 9) we would do a pick swap on the night, right before the pick is taken.
The question is why would the Crows do this trade? Maybe they are looking for return SA talent next year. Maybe they like some players next year and dont trust the mostly Vic talent around their first pick or Richmonds 1st pick this year. Perhaps the Crows could get Richmonds 2nd pick (17) as well and they are more comfortable with picks around that part of the draft due to there being solid SA talent available.
You guys have a better handle on what the Crows would likely do, then I do. Just my take on it.

For the reasons you mentioned & the fact the Crows only have 1 decent pick, I cannot see the Crows targeting anyone's future 1st.

 

[Crow till I die]

For the reasons you mentioned & the fact the Crows only have 1 decent pick, I cannot see the Crows targeting anyone's future 1st.

About the very best we 'might' be able to offer is if we traded with Richmond for 7 & 15 for 4 and maybe 33 - maybe just for 7 & 15 if they wanted a player at our pick 4 desperately.

Then I could see 15 + crows 2022 2nd for Collingwoods 2022 1st. The future 2nd is likely to be a pick between 20-25 and it allows them to trade out their 2022 1st and they get into the 1st round of this years draft with pick 15. No chance we trade pick 4 for their future 1st - that is just laughable

 

[Vader]

For the reasons you mentioned & the fact the Crows only have 1 decent pick, I cannot see the Crows targeting anyone's future 1st.

I can... but only if it's pick 4 for their 2021 & 2022 1sts.

Noting, of course, that Collingwood can't currently trade their 2022 1st, as they have already traded away their 2022 2nd.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

About the very best we 'might' be able to offer is if we traded with Richmond for 7 & 15 for 4 and maybe 33 - maybe just for 7 & 15 if they wanted a player at our pick 4 desperately.

Then I could see 15 + crows 2022 2nd for Collingwoods 2022 1st. The future 2nd is likely to be a pick between 20-25 and it allows them to trade out their 2022 1st and they get into the 1st round of this years draft with pick 15. No chance we trade pick 4 for their future 1st - that is just laughable

I tend to agree with what you are saying. Pick 15 + future 2nd would be about the best the Crows would offer. I dont see the Pies accepting it though unless there is someone they have in their top 5 available at pick 15(17). I would see that as a win win if this occurred even though everyone would say the Crows won the trade. I also agree that the Crows wouldn't trade out their pick 4(6) for the pies future pick. I think the trade would be for very similar picks, but a bird in the hand is worth more. I think the Richmond pick is much closer to the mark. It would be pick 9 and therefore much more likely but not guaranteed to be worse then the Pies pick. But the pies don't have a future 2nd and why would the Crows even want to do this. In the end the most likely outcome would be none of these trades get done.

 

[Crow till I die]

I tend to agree with what you are saying. Pick 15 + future 2nd would be about the best the Crows would offer. I dont see the Pies accepting in though unless there is someone they have in their top 5 available at pick 15(17). I would see that as a win win if this occurred even though everyone would say the Crows won the trade. I also agree that the Crows wouldn't trade out their pick 4(6) for the pies future pick. I think the trade would be for very similar picks, but a bird in the hand is worth more. I think the Richmond pick is much closer to the mark. It would be pick 9 and therefore much more likely but not guaranteed to be worse then the Pies pick. But the pies don't have a future 2nd and why would the Crows even want to do this. In the end the most likely outcome would be none of these trades get done.

All fair and reasonable and welcome to our board

As you say it does not really work unless there is a player that has slipped to the pick 15 - maybe a Rachele or Ward type that would really work for Collingwood, then giving up that future first but getting what should be a fairly early 2nd back might work ok as it would at least allow you a pick at a reasonable player next year which would be assuming no further wheeling and dealing is done next year. Crows would be banking on the pies having another off year but that is guesswork.

 

[Peter Doherty]

I think splitting 4 into two first rounders is a VERY clear statement that the club thinks there's still multiple areas that need to be filled in the rebuild.

We're not at the "just top level talent only" stage.

Everything thing they've done in the offseason has been what I hoped would happen. Delisting Lynch, Talia and Mackay and releasing Kelly is VERY out of the ordinary.

Ah **** off, you bring facts into this!

 

[Dudersaurus]

It's unfortunate that when Mummy nailed him, he didn't know how to land properly to protect himself from possible injury.

In Judo they learn a move called 'ukemi or 'break fall' from white belt and Mummies hit is quite similar to an 'o soto gari' take down (see below).
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If taught correctly, it is 100% possible to receive such a hit and not injure or concuss yourself (see below).
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We really don't do enough to teach players about falling down safely...

I really hope the young man doesn't suffer any long term repercussions.

Yeah, sorry, that's very misleading. It is 100% possible to land and minimise injury, but definitely not 100% of the time injury free. People can and do get fall injuries from martial arts, even the very good players, when another does a good throw/takedown. Watch MMA or Muay Thai some time. Even more structured sports like judo have injuries.

I have no idea how the guy in the graphic goes from vertical landing on his head to a back break fall in 20cm.

Also worth noting that Brander did in fact get up from that hit fairly promptly. There was also a big hit component to it, not just a grapple and throw that makes a controlled breakfall extraordinarily difficult.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Keays has re-signed for another two years

 

[Betts are off]

Keays has re-signed for another two years

Congrats to Ben. Came in here with very low expectations and made himself into a first rotation midfielder through sheer will and determination.

Pretty nice turnaround from the Brisbane Scrapheap!

 

[BlackGun1]

Told you he wasn't going anywhere. May be a very small minority not stoked with this, but I think great list management from the Crows. Reward a guy who's exceeded expectations and then some. Still got room to grow with only 38 games under his belt as an actual AFL midfielder.

 

[Dangarman]

Cue the puns...

"Key player locked in...."

 

[Betts are off]

Told you he wasn't going anywhere. May be a very small minority not stoked with this, but I think great list management from the Crows. Reward a guy who's exceeded expectations and then some. Still got room to grow with only 38 games under his belt as an actual AFL midfielder.

I'm very happy to have been on the right side of that argument, always thought he had more to give then he was able to show at the Lions.

And like you said, still a way from being a finished product IMO. Happy this deal should take him past the games threshold and age where most players start playing their best footy!

 

[Dudersaurus]

Told you he wasn't going anywhere. May be a very small minority not stoked with this, but I think great list management from the Crows. Reward a guy who's exceeded expectations and then some. Still got room to grow with only 38 games under his belt as an actual AFL midfielder.

Any inside info if rookie or senior? Doesn't say on website, but if he was supposed to be ooc end of 22 and extended for 2, he has to go onto the senior list at some stage during the extension period if not before.

 

[Vader]

Any inside info if rookie or senior? Doesn't say on website, but if he was supposed to be ooc end of 22 and extended for 2, he has to go onto the senior list at some stage during the extension period if not before.

2022 will be his 3rd year on the rookie list.

Under normal rules, players must be promoted to the senior list after 3 years on the rookie list. They can be delisted and re-drafted, which resets the clock, but that's not relevant to Keays who is now contracted out to 2024.

The AFL changed the rules for 2022, allowing rookies to stay on the rookie list for a 4th year. Allegedly, this change only applies for 2022 - but the AFL are habitual and frequent liars. They also said that list reductions were for 2021 only, before backflipping and keeping them reduced for 2022 as well. Will the normal rookie list time limit return to normal for 2023? Your guess is as good as mine.

As things stand, he will need to be upgraded at the end of 2022. Possibly 2023, if the AFL has lied to us once again.

Note that Butts & Strachan both signed 2-year contract extensions earlier this year, and both have already been on the rookie list for 3 years. Both are ahead of Keays in the upgrade queue.

 

[1970crow]

I think splitting 4 into two first rounders is a VERY clear statement that the club thinks there's still multiple areas that need to be filled in the rebuild.

We're not at the "just top level talent only" stage.

Everything thing they've done in the offseason has been what I hoped would happen. Delisting Lynch, Talia and Mackay and releasing Kelly is VERY out of the ordinary.

You're half right, Kelly and Mackay were not club decisions though, they both turned down contract extensions. I posted months out that we'd only be prepared to lose 1 of Lynch or Mackay, delisting Talia is the only surprise. A big one though, but I do wonder whether we were prepared to consider a low base plus match payments contract but it was clear that Talia's expectations nowhere near our ballpark. It would be very unlike most clubs to delist a 29 year old club champ off a year out with injury. That would be as ruthless a list management decision as I can recall.

 

[Mutineer]

Stengle officially delisted this arvo...

Geelong has handed Tyson Stengle

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Tyson Stengle

Age

26

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a two-year deal after Crows officially delist him
Geelong has put their full faith in sacked ex-Crow Tyson Stengle

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Tyson Stengle

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

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K

5.6

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1.8

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G

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handing him a multi-year deal as he prepares to move in with Eddie Betts and his family.


Geelong has handed sacked Adelaide small forward Tyson Stengle

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Tyson Stengle

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

a two-year deal as a show of faith after the Crows officially dropped him off their primary list on Friday.
Stengle is set to move in with Eddie Betts’ family in Melbourne ahead of his first pre-season at Geelong, after a brilliant 44-goal season in the SANFL.

 

[Thetrader15]

Stengle officially delisted this arvo...

Geelong has handed Tyson Stengle a two-year deal after Crows officially delist him
Geelong has put their full faith in sacked ex-Crow Tyson Stengle handing him a multi-year deal as he prepares to move in with Eddie Betts and his family.


Geelong has handed sacked Adelaide small forward Tyson Stengle a two-year deal as a show of faith after the Crows officially dropped him off their primary list on Friday.
Stengle is set to move in with Eddie Betts’ family in Melbourne ahead of his first pre-season at Geelong, after a brilliant 44-goal season in the SANFL.

I hope he's turned his life around and does well.

 

[Jars458]

Tom Rehn saying we are thinking about Leinert. Saw him once this year and he was excellent in a well beaten magpies side

 

[hey shorty]

Yeah wouldn't mind him as depth but it probably doesn't say much for our young defenders.

Strong overhead and a great kick, would be our 3rd tall defender in R1.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Tom Rehn saying we are thinking about Leinert. Saw him once this year and he was excellent in a well beaten magpies side

Yeah got mentioned on 5AA a little while ago as well

I'd be okay if we got him, but not displeased if we passed on him

 

[hey shorty]

I'd rather we focus on Worrell TBH.

 

[Thetrader15]

Yeah got mentioned on 5AA a little while ago as well

I'd be okay if we got him for our SANFL team as a top up, but not displeased if we passed on him

EfA

 

[Eagleboy2011]

If we pick someone up I would take Leinert over Davis just for his versatility. I saw him against the Eagles earlier this year in a side that was well beaten. One of the better players.

 

[Thylacinus]

I would also be happy for us to take Lienert. McAsey, Worrell and Murray are still unproven and will take time. Lienert would both give us depth and also flexibility as we prepare others to give support to Butts down back. Will be interesting to see if we trade draft picks in order to make a play to get Leek Aleer.