List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[Sanders]

Ok look I see what you mean in theory.

However, how do you know it's us approaching you for the pick? If anything Adelaide has floated pick 4 to many clubs, first North (confirmed), then Richmond (strong links), and now us. If anything there's plenty of indication that you are not content with pick.

Why? Because we have a consensus top 4 this year - Hornes, Daicos, Darcy and Callaghan. Adelaide effectively has pick 6 from the draft. And unlike previous years, as the top 3 is formed by Hornes (locked) and 2 F/S picks, the chance of a slider from that top group to pick 6 is virtually 0.

Adelaide knows this, we know this. Ned Guy isn't around, so you'd think blatant idiots are not available to be taken advantage of this year.

If the ladder position remains, it'd be pick 3 in 2022 (if Ashcroft retains his top 3 status) for pick 6 (Daicos, Darcy) in 2021. And there is also no indication that we are rising up the ladder either lol. We've brought in no-one meaningful in the off-season, our stars are ageing (Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, etc.).

And fwiw, I'd HATE IT if we did 2022 1st for pick 4, I think that's a terrible trade for us. But using Mr Vader's logic, "stranger things have happened"

Ignore Vader, he’s one of our idiosyncratic cranks.

But the idea of punting our pick to next year has to involve a better chance and a better return than your floating.

we’re bang smack in the middle of rebuilding, we’re more likely to want to go earlier rather than later to the draft

delaying getting talent in does not accord with the rebuilding timeline

 

[Drewie11]

Wow, this guy talks a bit of shite doesn’t he

Pick 4 for an unknown first rounder next year!!! Where do we sign???? Pure stupidity and to bring it here. Embarrassing

 

[rabidcrow]

How many picks are you planning to use?

What's this situation about the "agreed" pick swap between Pies/Adelaide? Any idea? Could it be our future 1st for pick 4 or something along those lines?

Came from a poster who's had close to a 100% accuracy with news this offseason.

Do you seriously think we'd take that given we came 2nd last this year, and our future 1st is probably a top 3 pick?

Would you trade pick 2 (using our ladder position this year) for pick 15 + pick 19 (the highest possible 2nd round pick)?

Mate you are the one who posted about a potential pick swap. From all that has been said this off season it’s highly unlikely we would swap pick 4 but if we did we aren’t going to do it for a probable pick 4 next year without a fairly high premium and the Pies don’t have much else to offer. From memory all of your non first round picks belong to GC next year so you wouldn’t be able to swap you first anyway. This suggests that if their is a swap involving Pies it will centre around our 33 for possibly two of your picks between 38-45


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[rabidcrow]

Except that's not what we're discussing - at least, it's not the scenario I outlined previously.

My scenario sees Collingwood getting Richmond's pick 15 (which will be 17 after the Daicos/Darcy bids).

The Pies traded out their 2nd, 3rd and 4th next year. Can they even trade their first ? I think they bought a second rounder back in but still don’t have the other rounds?


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The Pies traded out their 2nd, 3rd and 4th next year. Can they even trade their first ? I think they bought a second rounder back in but still don’t have the other rounds?


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

The salary cap squeeze of giving away players, along with the want for Daicos is having a huge impact on their list management.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Wow, this guy talks a bit sh*te doesn’t he

Pick 4 for an unknown first rounder next year!!! Where do we sign???? Pure stupidity and to bring it here. Embarrassing

There is no chance we are giving away pick 4 purely for a future 1st rounder as it gives us no decent picks this year.

 

[Vader]

The Pies traded out their 2nd, 3rd and 4th next year. Can they even trade their first ? I think they bought a second rounder back in but still don’t have the other rounds?

Not if they've traded out those other future picks, they can't.

Mate you are the one who posted about a potential pick swap. From all that has been said this off season it’s highly unlikely we would swap pick 4 but if we did we aren’t going to do it for a probable pick 4 next year without a fairly high premium and the Pies don’t have much else to offer. From memory all of your non first round picks belong to GC next year so you wouldn’t be able to swap you first anyway. This suggests that if their is a swap involving Pies it will centre around our 33 for possibly two of your picks between 38-45

How't that going to work then, given that those picks will be burned off by the Daicos bid, before we even get to live trade pick 4?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Brander compares better than Davies across all stats, I just wonder if being sub hurts Davies' data.

The only stat Davies outperforms Brander is disposal efficiency, 73.1% to 71.7, so if that's elite for one it's elite for both.

Davies all-round nice guy, team player. This shouldn't keep anyone on a list alone, but is preferred to a crappy attitude/ big talent.

Do they play similar half back roles? Brander taller and younger.

On Pixel 3 using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[GrommoT]

Not if they've traded out those other future picks, they can't.
...

I think there's a chance it could be approved - according to Lore's future pick tracker right now, Coll's 2022 picks are r1, 0xr2, 3xr3 picks, 0xr4 picks and I thought it was a bit rough on Coll in your last 3 club scenario.

If that scenario included us giving our 2022 r2 to Coll for their earliest r3 pick, it might be arguable that the remaining 2xr3 picks cover Coll's missing r4 pick, thus allowing their 2022 r1 pick to be traded.

The benefit to us would be advancing our 2022 r2 pick to a r1 pick

 

[rabidcrow]

Not if they've traded out those other future picks, they can't.

How't that going to work then, given that those picks will be burned off by the Daicos bid, before we even get to live trade pick 4?

Only talking the lower picks. Perhaps they give us a couple for 33 pre draft and we do a trade after Daicos bid which gets them back in the mid/late second round this year for one of their picks next year? A bit like the Swans did a couple of years ago - just not quite as dodgy as the first trade would be pre draft night
Just guessing due to the rumour we are pick swapping with Pies - and I can’t see it involving our first


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

 

[Vader]

Only talking the lower picks. Perhaps they give us a couple for 33 pre draft and we do a trade after Daicos bid which gets them back in the mid/late second round this year for one of their picks next year? A bit like the Swans did a couple of years ago - just not quite as dodgy as the first trade would be pre draft night
Just guessing due to the rumour we are pick swapping with Pies - and I can’t see it involving our first

Yeah... not allowed to do that - because of what the Swans did. The AFL changed the rules to prevent that dodgy being pulled again.

 

[Peter Doherty]

problem with your speculations is that there is plenty of motivation for you, but your trade partner has no reason to be part of your trade fantasies

you don’t have anything of interest

You missed all the posters on the 'Pies board suggesting 2x 3rd rounders for our future 2nd?

Sounds pretty ****ing juicy to me.

 

[Peter Doherty]

How many picks are you planning to use?

What's this situation about the "agreed" pick swap between Pies/Adelaide? Any idea? Could it be our future 1st for pick 4 or something along those lines?

Came from a poster who's had close to a 100% accuracy with news this offseason.

How the **** can you post this idiotic shit, then talk shit to Adelaide posters on this board when they engage and float ideas back?

However, how do you know it's us approaching you for the pick? If anything Adelaide has floated pick 4 to many clubs, first North (confirmed), then Richmond (strong links), and now us. If anything there's plenty of indication that you are not content with pick.

Why? Because we have a consensus top 4 this year - Hornes, Daicos, Darcy and Callaghan. Adelaide effectively has pick 6 from the draft. And unlike previous years, as the top 3 is formed by Hornes (locked) and 2 F/S picks, the chance of a slider from that top group to fall not once, but twice to pick 6 is virtually 0.

Adelaide knows this, we know this. Ned Guy isn't around, so you'd think blatant idiots are not available to be taken advantage of this year.

The mental gymnastics here...

 

[Caputo]

My knowledge, vision and logic is that Adelaide has 39 signed including (Dawson) with 5 list spots available that can be be picks used at the National and Rookie Draft or signed as Free Agent or Prior to Round 1

The potential is endless.

For those that want to upgrade Rookies we have 5 Cat A and 2 Cat B. The Cat B can't be replaced as they would have to be replaced by Cat B. The 5 Cat A are Keays, Butts, Murray, Strachan and Parnell.
We could go to the National Draft and take 3 picks with 2 Cat A Rookie upgrades. That leaves 2 Picks in the Rookie Draft which may include a spot for Davis.

Checking our 39 signed players to our list where we are required to play the 6-6-6 in game which means our 22 each week should be 7 Defenders 8 Midfielders (including Ruck) and 7 Attack and times 2 to make the 44.

We require a Medium Defender, 2 Midfielders possible Inside. Pick 4 at a guess and 2 Forwards a small and Medium Forward.

 

[David C]

Far far more likely the pick swap involves our pick 33, not 4.

Yeh, that is more likely. After the Daicos bid, they can trade a couple of those future 3rds to get back into this draft.

 

[Crow till I die]

You missed all the posters on the 'Pies board suggesting 2x 3rd rounders for our future 2nd?

Sounds pretty ******* juicy to me.

And saying that a late 30's pick + a 3rd rounder has points value in the mid 20's and it would not be that far off the points value of the crows 2nd which could be pick 20. Who gives a schitt about draft points. Maybe we can offer our future 2nd, 3rd and 4th for their future 1st as we could make the same argument re points back to them

 

[NTRabbit]

Ignore Vader, he’s one of our idiosyncratic cranks.

But the idea of punting our pick to next year has to involve a better chance and a better return than your floating.

we’re bang smack in the middle of rebuilding, we’re more likely to want to go earlier rather than later to the draft

delaying getting talent in does not accord with the rebuilding timeline

You think we're in the middle of a rebuild, and I think we're in the middle of a rebuild, but does the club still think we still are? Or have they decided we've already drafted all the top end talent we need and it's on to consolidation and puzzle building? It's not like it would be the first time our football department has displayed a staggering lack of objectivity over the talent on our list.

 

[Soggy2112]

You think we're in the middle of a rebuild, and I think we're in the middle of a rebuild, but does the club still think we still are? Or have they decided we've already drafted all the top end talent we need and it's on to consolidation and puzzle building? It's not like it would be the first time our football department has displayed a staggering lack of objectivity over the talent on our list.

All the clubs actions over the off-season suggest that the club is pretty committed to hitting the draft for the next couple of years.

 

[1970crow]

Ignore Vader, he’s one of our idiosyncratic cranks.

But the idea of punting our pick to next year has to involve a better chance and a better return than your floating.

we’re bang smack in the middle of rebuilding, we’re more likely to want to go earlier rather than later to the draft

delaying getting talent in does not accord with the rebuilding timeline

If we're into 1 or 2 Suns players we might want to load up next year's hand. But guaranteed pick 6 fir speculative top pick 6 would need to come with some handy icing. I wouldn't put it past us to think we've got midfield covered for a few years plus Schoey, Pedlar, Hately and Berry to replace them. Perfect time to acquire a lazy forward pocket and a bruise free half back.

 

[NTRabbit]

All the clubs actions over the off-season suggest that the club is pretty committed to hitting the draft for the next couple of years.

Does it though? Our delistings were not out of the ordinary, and we cashed in a first round draft pick in pursuit of an immediate impact player (albeit with many years ahead). If the club splits 4 before or on draft night, then actions suggest that no, they think they've hit the draft hard enough and got all they need already - and overrating players internally because we drafted them so of course they're stars is something we've done a lot of in the last decade.

 

[1970crow]

You think we're in the middle of a rebuild, and I think we're in the middle of a rebuild, but does the club still think we still are? Or have they decided we've already drafted all the top end talent we need and it's on to consolidation and puzzle building? It's not like it would be the first time our football department has displayed a staggering lack of objectivity over the talent on our list.

The question is prior even to that. The question is what even is a rebuild. Is it to build a top 4 contending list for 2-4 years before blowing up or is it to get a group that can contend for the bottom of the 8 most years and hope anything happens from there?

 

[Sanders]

The question is prior even to that. The question is what even is a rebuild. Is it to build a top 4 contending list for 2-4 years before blowing up or is it to get a group that can contend for the bottom of the 8 most years and hope anything happens from there?

I’ve said it before, the make the 8 and anything can happen idea is so frustrating because it’s not even what happened back in 97/98

we’ve had this idea that 97/98 taught us that make the 8 and anything can happen, except that we were the best team in both 97/98. We had by far the best percentage, something widely acknowledged these days as the measure to look for beyond just W/L

so we learnt a lesson from a situation where that lesson didn’t even apply!!

the most Adelaide Crows thing ever

 

[DJ75]

The question is prior even to that. The question is what even is a rebuild. Is it to build a top 4 contending list for 2-4 years before blowing up or is it to get a group that can contend for the bottom of the 8 most years and hope anything happens from there?

We know the answer to that question...

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Sorry to inturde but I noticed some talk around our 2022 1st pick, so here is my take. Firstly its hard for the Pies to trade out our future 1st because the rules state to do so you need to have a future 2nd and 3rd and we don't have a future 2nd. We do have 3 future 3rd rounders. If we could get a future second after the Daicos bid then it could open up potential trades.
My feeling is that our future 1st next year would be a top 8 selection. Anywhere from 1-8 and I wouldnt really want to give it up unless it guarantees a certain player. Maybe that sort player would be available at Adelaides 1st (will be pick 6) or Richmonds 1st pick (will be pick 9). If this was the case and both clubs agree (doubt Adelaide would for pick 6 but maybe they would if they got Richmonds pick 9) we would do a pick swap on the night, right before the pick is taken.
The question is why would the Crows do this trade? Maybe they are looking for return SA talent next year. Maybe they like some players next year and dont trust the mostly Vic talent around their first pick or Richmonds 1st pick this year. Perhaps the Crows could get Richmonds 2nd pick (17) as well and they are more comfortable with picks around that part of the draft due to there being solid SA talent available.
You guys have a better handle on what the Crows would likely do, then I do. Just my take on it.

 

[Mego Red]

Does it though? Our delistings were not out of the ordinary, and we cashed in a first round draft pick in pursuit of an immediate impact player (albeit with many years ahead). If the club splits 4 before or on draft night, then actions suggest that no, they think they've hit the draft hard enough and got all they need already - and overrating players internally because we drafted them so of course they're stars is something we've done a lot of in the last decade.

I think splitting 4 into two first rounders is a VERY clear statement that the club thinks there's still multiple areas that need to be filled in the rebuild.

We're not at the "just top level talent only" stage.

Everything thing they've done in the offseason has been what I hoped would happen. Delisting Lynch, Talia and Mackay and releasing Kelly is VERY out of the ordinary.