List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[BRL121]

Think of it as a 3-way trade, involving Adelaide, Richmond & Collingwood:

Adelaide
OUT: pick 4
IN: 7 & Collingwood's future 1st

Richmond
OUT: picks 7 & 15
IN: pick 4

Collingwood
OUT: Future 1st
IN: Pick 15

Adelaide get 2x 1st round picks, stay in the top-10 in 2021, and potentially add an extra top-5 pick in 2022.
Richmond get the pick they need to land Hobbs (I doubt we do this deal if Callaghan is still on the board).
Collingwood get Daicos + another 1st round pick, at the cost of their Future 1st.

It's not the dumbest live trading idea I've seen posted in this thread. Actually, it's pretty damn good for all clubs.

This has to be a live trade, when Adelaide is on the board at #4.

• It has to be after the Daicos bid
• It only happens if Callaghan is off the board - I think Adelaide would grab him if he's still available.

The rumour was about Crows-Pies only. I'm not sure where Richmond came from.

 

[George Kramer]

Think of it as a 3-way trade, involving Adelaide, Richmond & Collingwood:

Adelaide
OUT: pick 4
IN: 7 & Collingwood's future 1st

Richmond
OUT: picks 7 & 15
IN: pick 4

Collingwood
OUT: Future 1st
IN: Pick 15

Adelaide get 2x 1st round picks, stay in the top-10 in 2021, and potentially add an extra top-5 pick in 2022.
Richmond get the pick they need to land Hobbs (I doubt we do this deal if Callaghan is still on the board).
Collingwood get Daicos + another 1st round pick, at the cost of their Future 1st.

It's not the dumbest live trading idea I've seen posted in this thread. Actually, it's pretty damn good for all clubs.

This has to be a live trade, when Adelaide is on the board at #4.

• It has to be after the Daicos bid
• It only happens if Callaghan is off the board - I think Adelaide would grab him if he's still available.

Collingwood finished second bottom and have given up pick 2 in future trading.

Do you really think they would entertain another pick swap where they are potentially giving up a top 6 pick for pick 15? No chance.

 

[George Kramer]

There's always a "I want it now" factor, which seems to rate future picks about 5 positions lower than picks in the current draft. For example, you'd typically see pick 20 in this years draft traded for a Future 1st from a team with Prelim Final expectations the following year.

You also back yourself not to finish in the bottom-3 again next year. Say you finish 7th, then you're trading pick 7 in the future for pick 15 that you can use now. That's well within the realms of possibility.

No its not. Would you give up pick 7 for pick 15? No one would.

 

[Vader]

Collingwood finished second bottom and have given up pick 2 in future trading.

Do you really think they would entertain another pick swap where they are potentially giving up a top 6 pick for pick 15? No chance.

If they've already given up their Future 2nd (without getting another back in return), then that rules out them giving us their Future 1st anyway.

 

[Vader]

No its not. Would you give up pick 7 for pick 15? No one would.

Bird in the hand. That's pretty much par, when trading future picks.

 

[LoBu]

Think of it as a 3-way trade, involving Adelaide, Richmond & Collingwood:

Adelaide
OUT: pick 4
IN: 7 & Collingwood's future 1st

Richmond
OUT: picks 7 & 15
IN: pick 4

Collingwood
OUT: Future 1st
IN: Pick 15

Adelaide get 2x 1st round picks, stay in the top-10 in 2021, and potentially add an extra top-5 pick in 2022.
Richmond get the pick they need to land Hobbs (I doubt we do this deal if Callaghan is still on the board).
Collingwood get Daicos + another 1st round pick, at the cost of their Future 1st.

It's not the dumbest live trading idea I've seen posted in this thread. Actually, it's pretty damn good for all clubs.

This has to be a live trade, when Adelaide is on the board at #4.

• It has to be after the Daicos bid
• It only happens if Callaghan is off the board - I think Adelaide would grab him if he's still available.

This is good, could be a lucrative trade for us.

 

[George Kramer]

Bird in the hand. That's pretty much par, when trading future picks.

No it is not.

 

[George Kramer]

This is good, could be a lucrative trade for us.

Exactly and thats why Collingwood wouldn't do it.

 

[George Kramer]

Can you imagine Collingwood taking the punt on being a laughing stock again for giving up another top pick for pick 15? Pick 15??? Thats insane talk.

 

[Mutineer]

Can you imagine Collingwood taking the punt on being a laughing stock for giving up another top pick for pick 15? Pick 15??? Thats insane talk.

Exactly, it's now former Hawks recruiting guru and former Collingwood champion player Graham Wright in charge at the Pies now not the disgraced Ned Guy....that ain't happening.

 

[Mego Red]

Think of it as a 3-way trade, involving Adelaide, Richmond & Collingwood:

Adelaide
OUT: pick 4
IN: 7 & Collingwood's future 1st

Richmond
OUT: picks 7 & 15
IN: pick 4

Collingwood
OUT: Future 1st
IN: Pick 15

Adelaide get 2x 1st round picks, stay in the top-10 in 2021, and potentially add an extra top-5 pick in 2022.
Richmond get the pick they need to land Hobbs (I doubt we do this deal if Callaghan is still on the board).
Collingwood get Daicos + another 1st round pick, at the cost of their Future 1st.

It's not the dumbest live trading idea I've seen posted in this thread. Actually, it's pretty damn good for all clubs.

This has to be a live trade, when Adelaide is on the board at #4.

• It has to be after the Daicos bid
• It only happens if Callaghan is off the board - I think Adelaide would grab him if he's still available.

Honestly, that seems remarkably unlikely.

Perhaps more logical would be -

Adelaide
OUT: pick 4
IN: 7 & Collingwood's future 2nd

Richmond
OUT: picks 7 & 26
IN: pick 4

Collingwood
OUT: Future 2nd
IN: Pick 26

BUT Gold Coast have Collingwood's 2nd, so even this is impossible.

Collingwood only have schiezen picks next year, other than their first, which they can't trade anyway.

 

[Red mist]

Adelaide won’t be involved in any pick trades prior to draft night. That’s when splitting 4 might happen in a sellers market for a lot more currency available now.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Adelaide won’t be involved in any pick trades prior to draft night. That’s when splitting 4 might happen in a sellers market for a lot more currency available now.

Source ?

 

[Red mist]

Source ?

Plain logic. Right now it’s devalued compared to on the night, on the spot. Then they’ll come at you with what you really want.

 

[Red mist]

Another piece off the board

Yeah glad this happened for him and not at us.

 

[Red mist]

Yeah I’m not too psyched about selling the farm for the GC duo. Probably prefer Lukosius over Rankine. I’m probably more of the persuasion to shift heaven and earth to bring back Caleb Daniel

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Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

.

 

[dylan123]

15 for Collingwood's future 1st...

 

[Bearded Clam]

Yeah I’m not too psyched about selling the farm for the GC duo. Probably prefer Lukosius over Rankine. I’m probably more of the persuasion to shift heaven and earth to bring back Caleb Daniel.

We will have plenty of spare coin end if next year.. we could easily afford luko and rankine and then have plenty to get caleb back as a FA..

not that I reacon daniel would leave the doggies anyway.. he seems like a settled player there.. also depends on the doggies salary cap space i suppose.. money does talk.

 

[Thetrader15]

We will have plenty of spare coin end if next year.. we could easily afford luko and rankine and then have plenty to get caleb back as a FA..

not that I reacon daniel would leave the doggies anyway.. he seems like a settled player there.. also depends on the doggies salary cap space i suppose.. money does talk.

Daniel is also a RFA next year, so would cosr a bit.

He's not an SA boy, but Jayden Short as a UFA would be on my list. He or Bailey Dale.

 

[Prochard123]

Think of it as a 3-way trade, involving Adelaide, Richmond & Collingwood:

Adelaide
OUT: pick 4
IN: 7 & Collingwood's future 1st

Richmond
OUT: picks 7 & 15
IN: pick 4

Collingwood
OUT: Future 1st
IN: Pick 15

Adelaide get 2x 1st round picks, stay in the top-10 in 2021, and potentially add an extra top-5 pick in 2022.
Richmond get the pick they need to land Hobbs (I doubt we do this deal if Callaghan is still on the board).
Collingwood get Daicos + another 1st round pick, at the cost of their Future 1st.

It's not the dumbest live trading idea I've seen posted in this thread. Actually, it's pretty damn good for all clubs.

This has to be a live trade, when Adelaide is on the board at #4.

• It has to be after the Daicos bid
• It only happens if Callaghan is off the board - I think Adelaide would grab him if he's still available.

There's always a "I want it now" factor, which seems to rate future picks about 5 positions lower than picks in the current draft. For example, you'd typically see pick 20 in this years draft traded for a Future 1st from a team with Prelim Final expectations the following year.

You also back yourself not to finish in the bottom-3 again next year. Say you finish 7th, then you're trading pick 7 in the future for pick 15 that you can use now. That's well within the realms of possibility.

The "bird in the hand" factor definitely weighs heavily, in any/every trade involving future picks.

Honestly these are some of the worst/most delusional posts I have seen from ANYONE on big footy across all clubs over the last 5 years.

For your sake I hope you were joking.

 

[Sanders]

Well you guys have been shopping around pick 4 actively. For pick 1 from North, for pick 2 from GWS, and for pick 7/15 from Richmond.

Clearly you guys are not content with just taking pick 4 to the draft, probably because you guys see greater value by trading it, since pick 4 effectively becomes pick 6 after Daicos/Darcy bids.

Or you guys just don't rate this draft at all. Or you think there's a clear top 4 in the draft (Hornes, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan), and all 4 will be gone by your pick.

problem with your speculations is that there is plenty of motivation for you, but your trade partner has no reason to be part of your trade fantasies

you don’t have anything of interest

 

[Bearded Clam]

Honestly these are some of the worst/most delusional posts I have seen from ANYONE on big footy across all clubs over the last 5 years.

For your sake I hope you were joking.

The only problem you have here is it was you that came in here with the rumour that the pies might be looking at a trade involving adelaides pick 4 this year.. and you didnt provide anything further in the way of what the pies could possibly offer up other than their 2022 1st.. which would clearly be absolutely nowhere near enough.

pies want crows pick 4 its gonna cost them a hell of a lot more than their 2022 1st.. otherwise there’s absolutely no incentive for the crows to do it… and even if the pies got another team involved they are still gonna need an incentive to hand to that club too.. but the pies have very little else to give.

a bid will definately come for daicos at 2 or 3 which will leave the pies with nothing of value to bargain with from this years draft so the options really are poor..

posters here are just trying to help you by throwing up some different potential scenarios.. insulting them for this really isnt helpful.

 

[Sanders]

Except that's not what we're discussing - at least, it's not the scenario I outlined previously.

My scenario sees Collingwood getting Richmond's pick 15 (which will be 17 after the Daicos/Darcy bids).

that’s just a waste of typically wasteful breath

if Collingwood wanted to trade next years pick, they will be able to get a lot better return than just pick 15.

even the PlayStation would reject this nonsense

 

[Sanders]

The rumour was about Crows-Pies only. I'm not sure where Richmond came from.

Yeah you do

 

[Prochard123]

problem with your speculations is that there is plenty of motivation for you, but your trade partner has no reason to be part of your trade fantasies

you don’t have anything of interest

The only problem you have here is it was you that came in here with the rumour that the pies might be looking at a trade involving adelaides pick 4 this year.. and you didnt provide anything further in the way of what the pies could possibly offer up other than their 2022 1st.. which would clearly be absolutely nowhere near enough.

pies want crows pick 4 its gonna cost them a hell of a lot more than their 2022 1st.. otherwise there’s absolutely no incentive for the crows to do it… and even if the pies got another team involved they are still gonna need an incentive to hand to that club too.. but the pies have very little else to give.

a bid will definately come for daicos at 2 or 3 which will leave the pies with nothing of value to bargain with from this years draft so the options really are poor..

posters here are just trying to help you by throwing up some different potential scenarios.. insulting them for this really isnt helpful.

Ok look I see what you mean in theory.

However, how do you know it's us approaching you for the pick? If anything Adelaide has floated pick 4 to many clubs, first North (confirmed), then Richmond (strong links), and now us. If anything there's plenty of indication that you are not content with pick.

Why? Because we have a consensus top 4 this year - Hornes, Daicos, Darcy and Callaghan. Adelaide effectively has pick 6 from the draft. And unlike previous years, as the top 3 is formed by Hornes (locked) and 2 F/S picks, the chance of a slider from that top group to fall not once, but twice to pick 6 is virtually 0.

Adelaide knows this, we know this. Ned Guy isn't around, so you'd think blatant idiots are not available to be taken advantage of this year.

If the ladder position remains, it'd be pick 3 in 2022 (if Ashcroft retains his top 3 status) for pick 6 (Daicos, Darcy) in 2021. And there is also no indication that we are rising up the ladder either lol. We've brought in no-one meaningful in the off-season, our stars are ageing (Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Howe, etc.).

And fwiw, I'd HATE IT if we did 2022 1st for pick 4, I think that's a terrible trade for us. But using Mr Vader's logic, "stranger things have happened"