Autopsy AFL 2022 Round 12 - Demons v Swans Sat June 4th 7:25pm EST (MCG)

[Bob Neil]

Swans had heroes everywhere whilst it felt like the Demons were being carried by Gawn and to a lesser extent Oliver.

Don’t think I’ve ever seen Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

33

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

play a better game or be more switched on - what an enigma!

Great game to watch for the neutrals and whilst I can understand some angst about the last quarter umpiring it felt like Sydney were the better team across the ground for three and a half quarters so were deserving winners.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Would surely make more sense to be pissed off at the idiot who needlessly dropped his knees into Papley’s back than the umpire who paid the free for it. Which made stuff all difference in the result anyway by the way

 

[LBJ6]

I’m not an umpire blamer and the Swans deserved the W last night (better than us for more of the game), but if anyone thinks that free kick on Langdon was there then you should go and follow another sport. Just a horrible decision from an umpire that clearly does not understand nuance and context.

 

[LBJ6]

Would surely make more sense to be pissed off at the idiot who needlessly dropped his knees into Papley’s back than the umpire who paid the free for it. Which made stuff all difference in the result anyway by the way

Exhibit A here. He didn’t “drop his knees”.

They were both sliding on a dewy surface with solid momentum, Langdon was sliding on his knees, Papley sliding on his stomach. Neither of them initiated contact with the other. They crossed paths and there was nothing Langdon could have done but go over the top of Papley.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Exhibit A here. He didn’t “drop his knees”.

They were both sliding on a dewy surface with solid momentum, Langdon was sliding on his knees, Papley sliding on his stomach. Neither of them initiated contact with the other. They crossed paths and there was nothing Langdon could have done but go over the top of Papley.

Wipe away those tears and actually watch the replay. They were certainly not both sliding along with solid momentum, your dumbass was on his feet as Papley slid through and knocked the ball away and instead of going after the ball dropped knees into Papley

Pumped-up Papley seals it with a cracker

Tom Papley seals the win for the Swans after a huge snap from the boundary

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[LBJ6]

Wipe away those tears and actually watch the replay. They were certainly not both sliding along with solid momentum, your dumbass was on his feet as Papley slid through and knocked the ball away and instead of going after the ball dropped knees into Papley

Pumped-up Papley seals it with a cracker

Tom Papley seals the win for the Swans after a huge snap from the boundary

www.afl.com.au

There you go, hadn’t seen the replay after I had watched on the big screen at the game.

Papley diving across Langdon’s lower legs, clear free kick to Langdon for contact below the knees. That’s a worse call than I originally thought

 

[Beer n Skittles]

There you go, hadn’t seen the replay after I had watched on the big screen at the game.

Papley diving across Langdon’s lower legs, clear free kick to Langdon for contact below the knees. That’s a worse call than I originally thought

Langdon pretty clearly drives forward into Papley with his knees, not being pushed back by forceful contact from Papley below the knees. It’s an easy call to make.

Props for being that one dees supporter at the game though

 

[Romeoh1]

Not sure about the frees either but thought Sydney were the better team on the night and earned the win.

 

[mattpolo8]

There you go, hadn’t seen the replay after I had watched on the big screen at the game.

Papley diving across Langdon’s lower legs, clear free kick to Langdon for contact below the knees. That’s a worse call than I originally thought

Papley dived on the grass you pelican. Langdon was behind him. Langdon then dropped to his knees, which unfortunately for him and all you Dees fans, was in the back of Papley. He didn't get pushed. It was his choice to go to ground. He didn't have to.

 

[LBJ6]

Langdon pretty clearly drives forward into Papley with his knees, not being pushed back by forceful contact from Papley below the knees. It’s an easy call to make.

Props for being that one dees supporter at the game though

If Langdon stands straight Papley makes full force contact with his shins and Langdon risks injury. Easy call to make I agree (although personally I’d say no call)

Papley dived on the grass you pelican. Langdon was behind him. Langdon then dropped to his knees, which unfortunately for him and all you Dees fans, was in the back of Papley. He didn't get pushed. It was his choice to go to ground. He didn't have to.

No shit he dived on the grass. Where else is he diving? He still dived and initiated contact with Langdon below the knees who dropped to protect himself. If you are the player that dives, that’s the risk you take.

 

[mattpolo8]

If Langdon stands straight Papley makes full force contact with his shins and Langdon risks injury. Easy call to make I agree (although personally I’d say no call)


No shit he dived on the grass. Where else is he diving? He still dived and initiated contact with Langdon below the knees who dropped to protect himself. If you are the player that dives, that’s the risk you take.

He dived towards the boundary line. Langdon was BEHIND Papley. Not in front. So Papley didn't dive towards Langdon's legs at all. Thats extremely hard to do when you're in front of the player.

 

[Wolfgang West]

I wouldn't even say he dropped his knees onto his back. The level of force was so minimal it should've constituted a non decision. It like a push in the back that happens 1000 times a game by definition but they only pay the obvious ones. It was a weak call and an unfortunate bail out, especially following up from the Bowey 'holding' for 0.00123' of a second. Good job umps.

I'm not too peeved though because I didn't think we deserved to win with our inability to hit a target inside 50m. if we just lowered our eyes, there was about 8 goals on offer. But no, let's kick it long to the McCartin brothers or better yet to Ben Brown. I would've liked to conduct a line search post game to look for evidence that he was actually on the park.

Regardless of free kicks or your inability to take advantage of scoring opportunities I would be more concerned about the last 2 weeks where you have been in control and the opposition have turned up the heat that seen you wilt. Maybe that soft underbelly is still there ? Gawn and May aside.

 

[the hypnotoad]

Didn't feel like there was anything controversial other than the Viney - otherwise seems to be full of praise for your club.

Plenty of posters I like and respect bloody hate Papley, Warner, and Buddy. Heck, my housemate thinks Warner is a massive w***er after last week - all part of footy I guess.

Warner is a massive warner?

 

[Wolfgang West]

Can’t understand why Swans supporters would be falling into sooks over the umpiring. If and I say If we may have been on the end of getting the better of it, I say **** em as we get shafted pretty much every week. Even managed to see off the master manipulator Stevic.

 

[Debris]

He dived towards the boundary line. Langdon was BEHIND Papley. Not in front. So Papley didn't dive towards Langdon's legs at all. Thats extremely hard to do when you're in front of the player.

It's a lost cause, mate. People see what they want to see even with the video in front of them and this thread is a perfect example. I am starting to wonder if who you support literally changes how your brain interprets what your eyes see.

 

[SSwans2011]

If Langdon stands straight Papley makes full force contact with his shins and Langdon risks injury. Easy call to make I agree (although personally I’d say no call)


No shit he dived on the grass. Where else is he diving? He still dived and initiated contact with Langdon below the knees who dropped to protect himself. If you are the player that dives, that’s the risk you take.

Find me a single example of a player getting pinged for contact below the knees when they are running in the opposite direction of the opposing player that they make contact with. HINT: You won't find any.

It was an unfortunate free kick because Langdon didn't necessarily do anything wrong, but it's the same deal with a reasonable portion of high contact free kicks when the infringed player tries to draw the free kick. Harsh and we might not like it, but it's technically there.

 

[LBJ6]

Find me a single example of a player getting pinged for contact below the knees when they are running in the opposite direction of the opposing player that they make contact with. HINT: You won't find any.

It was an unfortunate free kick because Langdon didn't necessarily do anything wrong, but it's the same deal with a reasonable portion of high contact free kicks when the infringed player tries to draw the free kick. Harsh and we might not like it, but it's technically there.

I think one literally just happened in the Pies Hawthorn game against Darcy Moore. I would prefer to see both as no calls.

 

[Superstar swan]

Exhibit A here. He didn’t “drop his knees”.

They were both sliding on a dewy surface with solid momentum, Langdon was sliding on his knees, Papley sliding on his stomach. Neither of them initiated contact with the other. They crossed paths and there was nothing Langdon could have done but go over the top of Papley.

What about Langdon holding onto mcinerney's jumper 2 seconds prior..I all we jmac put his jumper into langdons hand and then moved his body slightly away from langdons hand to create the illusion he was being held onto

 

[Superstar swan]

All these salty demons fans that can't just cop an L fair and square. Instead of umpire blaming why not ask yourselves why u were in A nail biting game and ultimately outplayed by a younger team when u got 25 possessions each from tracc and Oliver , 3 goals from fritsch and 29 and 3 from gawn.

May be the extra salt is a result of the cold hard truth that the demons played very well last night and it wasn't good enough. Outplayed, out hunted by a young team in front of a packed house of 8k die hard fans

 

[SuperMal]

Exhibit A here. He didn’t “drop his knees”.

They were both sliding on a dewy surface with solid momentum, Langdon was sliding on his knees, Papley sliding on his stomach. Neither of them initiated contact with the other. They crossed paths and there was nothing Langdon could have done but go over the top of Papley.

Accidents do NOT invalidate free kicks.

Ask Corey McKernan

 

[mattpolo8]

All these salty demons fans that can't just cop an L fair and square. Instead of umpire blaming why not ask yourselves why u were in A nail biting game and ultimately outplayed by a younger team when u got 25 possessions each from tracc and Oliver , 3 goals from fritsch and 29 and 3 from gawn.

May be the extra salt is a result of the cold hard truth that the demons played very well last night and it wasn't good enough. Outplayed, out hunted by a young team in front of a packed house of 8k die hard fans

You won't get a response. There's no reception on the mountains.

 

[LBJ6]

The same supporter group that still bangs on about umpiring in a game 6 years ago are the ones saying other teams can’t cop an L fair and square

I haven’t read through this thread in full but I’m pretty sure no Melbourne supporter has said Sydney did not deserve to win, despite the two factually suspect free kicks given late which led to goals.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

naturally when swans beat vic teams, everyone wants to concentrate on dodgy decisions in the last quarter and not actually talk about how the dees were rattled around the contest, their forward line was so bad that gawn was their best forward, and their backline without may looks pretty ordinary.

but no. let's talk about the gulden free kick where then he only kicks that one out of 10 attempts anyway, or let's talk about the papley free kick where there's no way to milk that kind of free kick and langdon was a little clumsy in the way he went to the ground.

The really dumb (but understandable) thing about fixating on contentious free kicks paid late in the game is that all the contentious free kicks paid either way earlier in the game were just as influential on the outcome.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's a lost cause, mate. People see what they want to see even with the video in front of them and this thread is a perfect example. I am starting to wonder if who you support literally changes how your brain interprets what your eyes see.

Dunno, I agree with the Melbourne supporter!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The same supporter group that still bangs on about umpiring in a game 6 years ago are the ones saying other teams can’t cop an L fair and square

We Sydney supporters pride ourselves on our ability to walk and chew gum at the same time.