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I’d say Albo is not repeating the political ineptitude of Rudd-Gillard
Who would have guessed that being transparent about his prior work history would lead to knee-jerk simplistic comments focussed on the person rather than the content?

BTW, Kelly is best known for his critical biography of Scott Morrison and well regarded for his hyper-critical policy analysis.

His criticism of modern day politicians focussing on go softly political positioning/gaming rather than policy depth being a constant that also extends to the tail end of the Rudd/Gillard era.

It's a theme that resonates as we enter the prelude to yet another nasty Federal election cycle where sustainable policy takes a back seat to non-policies, best summed up by the following:

There are two notable facts about political debate in the three weeks since the budget. The first is how much it has been dominated by Peter Dutton and his policies – or, more accurately at this point, “policies”. The second is the desperation of our major political parties to avoid actually talking about what is in front of them....

As Labor seeks to push back on Dutton’s plans, it can accurately say the opposition leader is not offering real solutions to the problems facing this country. But politically – and arguably in terms of policy too – this points back in Labor’s direction. That Dutton’s ideas can so easily dominate, via policies barely worth the name, is a sign of the vacuum in national debate that Labor has left: its inability to commandeer the national discussion, either by presenting concrete proposals to deal with the problems we see around us or by convincing us of the significance of those proposals.

Take the time to take a read.
 
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BTW, Kelly is best known for his critical biography of Scott Morrison and well regarded for his hyper-critical policy analysis.

His criticism of modern day politicians focussing on go softly political positioning/gaming rather than policy depth being a constant that also extends to the tail end of the Rudd/Gillard era.

It's a theme that resonates as we enter the prelude to yet another nasty Federal election cycle where sustainable policy takes a back seat to non-policies...
But the reason for this is that on major policy issues, the ALP and Coalition are more or less identical. Both parties put the interests of big business first, both provide the absolute minimum in welfare, over-allocate scare resources to defence, do the minimum to mitigate climate change. There's barely any difference in their investment in infrastructure and community services, they're both pro-privatisation, free trade, reduced corporate regulation.
And so to distinguish themselves in an election campaign they fight their stupid culture wars or have a half-hearted contest on who can throw the most bread crumbs at the swinging voter.
 
Who would have guessed that being transparent about his prior work history would lead to knee-jerk simplistic comments focussed on the person rather than the content?

BTW, Kelly is best known for his critical biography of Scott Morrison and well regarded for his hyper-critical policy analysis.

His criticism of modern day politicians focussing on go softly political positioning/gaming rather than policy depth being a constant that also extends to the tail end of the Rudd/Gillard era.

It's a theme that resonates as we enter the prelude to yet another nasty Federal election cycle where sustainable policy takes a back seat to non-policies, best summed up by the following:

There are two notable facts about political debate in the three weeks since the budget. The first is how much it has been dominated by Peter Dutton and his policies – or, more accurately at this point, “policies”. The second is the desperation of our major political parties to avoid actually talking about what is in front of them....

As Labor seeks to push back on Dutton’s plans, it can accurately say the opposition leader is not offering real solutions to the problems facing this country. But politically – and arguably in terms of policy too – this points back in Labor’s direction. That Dutton’s ideas can so easily dominate, via policies barely worth the name, is a sign of the vacuum in national debate that Labor has left: its inability to commandeer the national discussion, either by presenting concrete proposals to deal with the problems we see around us or by convincing us of the significance of those proposals.

Take the time to take a read.

Could easily be describing Abbott in opposition. It’s a real blemish on our media that proven useless politicians get so much cred.
But mainstream media is itself about click bait

On another point. Where is Albos govt engaging in culture wars?
 

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Former adviser to ALP PMs, Rudd and Gillard, Sean Kelly hits another bullseye in his attack on the Albanese Government's lack of policy courage being a key motivator for the divisive non-policies of Peter Dutton gaining electoral traction.

'As Albanese beats around the bush, Dutton’s delusions are taking root.That Peter Dutton’s ideas can so easily dominate, via policies barely worth the name, is a sign of the vacuum in national debate that Labor has left.'

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this is small target politics coming home to roost to a certain extent

and also the fact that they have largely avoided doing anything about issues they criticised when in opposition

In opposition welfare payments are too low

In power they're fiscally responsible for keeping people in poverty

Labor seem to be hoping to avoid pissing people off to hold on for a second term

This is also the way they approached the voice

It's likely to have a similar end result
 
But the reason for this is that on major policy issues, the ALP and Coalition are more or less identical. Both parties put the interests of big business first, both provide the absolute minimum in welfare, over-allocate scare resources to defence, do the minimum to mitigate climate change. There's barely any difference in their investment in infrastructure and community services, they're both pro-privatisation, free trade, reduced corporate regulation.
And so to distinguish themselves in an election campaign they fight their stupid culture wars or have a half-hearted contest on who can throw the most bread crumbs at the swinging voter.
yes there is an element of that

neither party wants to fix the issue, they're happy to bring it up in opposition because they both know the other won't do anything and they can score points off it
 
This is actually ignoring the fact this is a model very much at odds with the rest of the world.

The USA and UK public would not stand for the state investment that is committed to stadiums in this country.
This is completely wrong. The USA are infamous for having local and state governments who give enormous subsidies for stadia for professional sports teams, and in most cases let those teams own the land and take the lion's share of the revenue from the stadia too. Miami is one of the best examples of this with their baseball stadium, which they'll be paying off for decades to come.


The only real exception is places like New York and Los Angeles, where they're a bigger deal than any sports league. LA told the NFL to go f*** themselves, and after 20 years the NFL came crawling back anyway.

The UK is better in this regard, but they also basically gave West Ham United the Olympic stadium for free, ditto for Manchester City and the Commonwealth Games stadium.
 
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this is small target politics coming home to roost to a certain extent

and also the fact that they have largely avoided doing anything about issues they criticised when in opposition

In opposition welfare payments are too low

In power they're fiscally responsible for keeping people in poverty

Labor seem to be hoping to avoid pissing people off to hold on for a second term

This is also the way they approached the voice

It's likely to have a similar end result
Can't govern like an opposition and expect to stick around. Tony Abbott found this out spectacularly, now Albo is starting to find out.

I feel like a lesson Labor are repeatedly failing to learn is that trying to please everybody means you will please nobody. I had thought the stage 3 tax cuts affair might have taught them that taking a stand is more likely to work out well for them, but it seems not, since nothing major has happened since then.
 
Can't govern like an opposition and expect to stick around. Tony Abbott found this out spectacularly, now Albo is starting to find out.

I feel like a lesson Labor are repeatedly failing to learn is that trying to please everybody means you will please nobody. I had thought the stage 3 tax cuts affair might have taught them that taking a stand is more likely to work out well for them, but it seems not, since nothing major has happened since then.

The issue, IMO, is that Labor have been caught in the trap of reacting to everything the LNP says.
They have become really shit at government. They are too scared to govern.
I would have thought the obvious play for them was to create a distraction for Dutton, then get on with governing.
For example: they could just raise the Newstart rate and let the LNP howl at the moon about it.

Both Abbott and Dutton are imbeciles.
But they have both gained traction through just saying stuff and then clinging on to anything that sticks.
 

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Designing and implementing an effective political strategy doesn't sound like the work of imbeciles to me.

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It doesn't take a genius to be a right-wing rabble rouser. You just need to be loud, angry, repetitive, tap into existing prejudices and have media networks giving you a guaranteed soapbox every night. The template has been there since at least Mussolini.

Abbott started scare campaigns against everything he could (asylum seekers, carbon pricing, the NBN), which again doesn't take a genius to do. The actual hard work of being a politician is in setting up policies and visions, rather than knocking them down. As for Dutton, what has he done that's been effective? I feel like the No campaign for the Voice won despite him, not because of him.
 
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There are people who are neither imbeciles or geniuses. Imbeciles are rarely disciplined - being repetitive in the political sense requires discipline.

The laudable work of an elected official is setting up policies and visions (and representing your constituents), but any effective application of a political strategy on a wide involves hard work.

And you can look at the polls and the posts around these parts to see some of the effectiveness.
 
Johnny Bananas

There are people who are neither imbeciles or geniuses. Imbeciles are rarely disciplined - being repetitive in the political sense requires discipline.

The laudable work of an elected official is setting up policies and visions (and representing your constituents), but any effective application of a political strategy on a wide involves hard work.

And you can look at the polls and the posts around these parts to see some of the effectiveness.
Great. But people who come up with bad policies, blindly oppose good ones and indulge in xenophobia will often be looked at as imbeciles.
 
Great. But people who come up with bad policies, blindly oppose good ones and indulge in xenophobia will often be looked at as imbeciles.
I don't think they're stupid, I think they're evil campaigners who don't care who gets hurt as long as they get what they want

Don't give them the out of stupidity.
 
Can't govern like an opposition and expect to stick around. Tony Abbott found this out spectacularly, now Albo is starting to find out.

I feel like a lesson Labor are repeatedly failing to learn is that trying to please everybody means you will please nobody. I had thought the stage 3 tax cuts affair might have taught them that taking a stand is more likely to work out well for them, but it seems not, since nothing major has happened since then.
I don’t think this is anything like Abbott. If anything, he came in bold, ripped up every promise and tried to ram his policy ideas through. It’s just his ideas were putrid and the people turned on him.

It seems to me this is a continuation of small target politics, given what happened to first Rudd, then Shorten. Just going to the election pointing to a surplus, some tax cuts and some competent if lacklustre governing and calling it a success. Meanwhile, Dutton knows he has a hard road back so is throwing out increasingly desperate thought bubbles. This allows Labor to just tear their ideas down come election time. Will probably work too because Dutton’s ‘policies’ are so vague and ill informed.
 
Saw on the TV in work kitchen them going on about the pay rises for low income jobs.

In same breath (whoever it was) praising Albo for getting this through he tried to claim he was also tackling inflation. By creating inflationary catalysts? Interesting plan
 
Saw on the TV in work kitchen them going on about the pay rises for low income jobs.

In same breath (whoever it was) praising Albo for getting this through he tried to claim he was also tackling inflation. By creating inflationary catalysts? Interesting plan
increasing the minimum wage isn't inflationary like the stage 3 tax cuts will be
 
Saw on the TV in work kitchen them going on about the pay rises for low income jobs.

In same breath (whoever it was) praising Albo for getting this through he tried to claim he was also tackling inflation. By creating inflationary catalysts? Interesting plan
I'm not too sure an extra 87 cents per hour to the lowest paid struggling workers in the country is the issue that's causing inflation.
 
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