Anthony Albanese - How long? -2-

[nut]

Former adviser to ALP PMs, Rudd and Gillard, Sean Kelly hits another bullseye in his attack on the Albanese Government's lack of policy courage being a key motivator for the divisive non-policies of Peter Dutton gaining electoral traction.

'As Albanese beats around the bush, Dutton’s delusions are taking root.That Peter Dutton’s ideas can so easily dominate, via policies barely worth the name, is a sign of the vacuum in national debate that Labor has left.'

As Albanese beats around the bush, Dutton’s delusions are taking root

Everyone’s avoiding the difficult issues, and that’s good news for Peter Dutton and his simplistic “policy” solutions.

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What ideas has Dutton put forward?

 

[Chief]

wages are not the reason we have inflation currently

But the supermarkets are posting huge profits so nothing is wrong...

Oh I see.

 

[JackOutback]

What ideas has Dutton put forward?

 

[Forward Press]

I'm not too sure an extra 87 cents per hour to the lowest paid struggling workers in the country is the issue that's causing inflation.

Even if we accept the premise that wage growth causes inflation (it doesn't, not the primary reason anyway), god forbid people earning a pittance want to eat and have a roof over their heads. If it means I'm paying a bit more at the supermarket I am perfectly fine with that.

Wages have long lost pace with CPI.

 

[Puddy]

wages are not the reason we have inflation currently

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Corporate greed is the reason we have inflation

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Corporate greed is the reason we have inflation

It' the reason we have exacerbated and extended inflation. Supply shortages with a ton of money in the economy waiting to be spent was what kicked it off.

 

[The Punter]

I don’t think this is anything like Abbott. If anything, he came in bold, ripped up every promise and tried to ram his policy ideas through. It’s just his ideas were putrid and the people turned on him.

The first Abbott-Hockey budget was largely unpassed by parliament - and I don't think it was considered by the Senate more than once (might not have even been brought for a vote). Hardly "trying" to ram through policy ideas in my book.

Abbott didn't know how to govern, didn't know how to spend political capital to achieve things, and was prone to easily avoidable political mistakes.

Albo spent all his political capital on the Voice, and is now trying to act politically very differently.

 

[peetoo]

Then there was Turnbull who seemed to burn 10 points in the polls publicly thinking about increasing GST

We get the pollies we vote for

 

[Number37]

Abbott didn't know how to govern, didn't know how to spend political capital to achieve things, and was prone to easily avoidable political mistakes.

AKA an imbecile.

Albo spent all his political capital on the Voice, and is now trying to act politically very differently.

What a load of LNP talking point crap.

 

[The Punter]

AKA an imbecile.

What a load of LNP talking point crap.

I'll send you those talking points if I ever get them.

So what exactly did the PM spend his capital on then? Because he had it after he won the election (every new government starts with political capital) and he sure isn't acting like he has much of if left.

Oh, just for my curiosity - how does it feel to have an imbecile be, by any objective measure, be much more successful than you? I mean, I feel I can safely assume you've never been the elected leader of your country.

 

[JackOutback]

Oh, just for my curiosity - how does it feel to have an imbecile be, by any objective measure, be much more successful than you? I mean, I feel I can safely assume you've never been the elected leader of your country.

I hate this argument, as if political, business or sporting success makes you a better person because that's what our capitalist system wants us to value. Personally, I rate being a good human being surrounded by people you love and that love you a much better measure. Abbott was a right campaigner to plenty of people, I'm pretty comfortable that I've never been that much of a campaigner to anyone. Feels pretty good being more successful than him by that measure.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Corporate greed is the reason we have inflation

Publicly listed companies are shareholder driven.
That's the real reason Aldi is able to undercut its competitors.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I hate this argument, as if political, business or sporting success makes you a better person because that's what our capitalist system wants us to value. Personally, I rate being a good human being surrounded by people you love and that love you a much better measure. Abbott was a right campaigner to plenty of people, I'm pretty comfortable that I've never been that much of a campaigner to anyone. Feels pretty good being more successful than him by that measure.

I'm sure Abbott's family don't feel that way about him.

 

[JackOutback]

I'm sure Abbott's family don't feel that way about him.

I'm sure they don't but as I said I don't have a large number of people think I'm a nasty piece of shit (maybe a few) so reckon that puts me ahead of him. I'm sure ScoMo's wife thinks well of him, the majority of Australians seem to think he was pretty fecking useless. Score another one for me.

 

[The Punter]

I hate this argument, as if political, business or sporting success makes you a better person because that's what our capitalist system wants us to value. Personally, I rate being a good human being surrounded by people you love and that love you a much better measure. Abbott was a right campaigner to plenty of people, I'm pretty comfortable that I've never been that much of a campaigner to anyone. Feels pretty good being more successful than him by that measure.

My only argument is "Tony Abbott isn't an imbecile". Imbecile literally means "an extremely stupid person". Abbott was a Rhodes Scholar - not stupid. Also managed to become PM - something not possible if you are stupid.

I said nothing nor made any reference to "better".

 

[Forward Press]

Tony Abbott was indeed a Rhodes scholar, volunteer firefighter well before he was a minister (so clearly not using it to 'virtue signal' or whatever you call it), and from many accounts a respectful and community-minded person. Probably someone you'd enjoy having a beer with and you could trust him to do the right thing for his neighbours.

But he was an utter campaigner in politics. Those two parts of Tony Abbott can co-exist.

Kevin Rudd delivered the Apology and loved by minorities and those on the left. But he was also an utter campaigner in his own party room in particular.

 

[The Punter]

Tony Abbott was indeed a Rhodes scholar, volunteer firefighter well before he was a minister (so clearly not using it to 'virtue signal' or whatever you call it), and from many accounts a respectful and community-minded person. Probably someone you'd enjoy having a beer with and you could trust him to do the right thing for his neighbours.

But he was an utter campaigner in politics. Those two parts of Tony Abbott can co-exist.

Kevin Rudd delivered the Apology and loved by minorities and those on the left. But he was also an utter campaigner in his own party room in particular.

And neither were imbeciles.

 

[Forward Press]

And neither were imbeciles.

You don't get to the top by being stupid. Pauline Hanson and Jacqui Lambie may give the impression of being buffoons at times but they know their populist rhetoric and their base to get the votes they need. In Hanson's case, she sabotaged herself by tearing apart her party whenever a challenger arose.

Yes, I am also including Donald Trump in this. I don't think anyone is truly a low IQ mouth-breather once you start rising in politics. Easy enough to get a foothold in local politics but going up the ranks takes ambition and drive and that's not possible if you're an idiot because you get played by those smarter than you in politics.

 

[JackOutback]

My only argument is "Tony Abbott isn't an imbecile". Imbecile literally means "an extremely stupid person". Abbott was a Rhodes Scholar - not stupid. Also managed to become PM - something not possible if you are stupid.

I said nothing nor made any reference to "better".

But that wasn't your only argument, you asked how it felt for an 'imbecile' to be more 'successful' than him. I agree he's not an imbecile. I don't agree with your definition of successful. If anything, I am more successful in my chosen profession than he was in his, because he reached a certain promotional level and was found to be completely inadequate to the task. I have yet to be found inadequate in my chosen profession.

 

[The Punter]

But that wasn't your only argument, you asked how it felt for an 'imbecile' to be more 'successful' than him. I agree he's not an imbecile. I don't agree with your definition of successful. If anything, I am more successful in my chosen profession than he was in his, because he reached a certain promotional level and was found to be completely inadequate to the task. I have yet to be found inadequate in my chosen profession.

How does one become more successful in Australian politics than become Prime Minister? It is literally the top job.

I'm not going to argue the toss on job effectiveness. And I was trolling a troll.

 

[JackOutback]

You don't get to the top by being stupid. Pauline Hanson and Jacqui Lambie may give the impression of being buffoons at times but they know their populist rhetoric and their base to get the votes they need. In Hanson's case, she sabotaged herself by tearing apart her party whenever a challenger arose.

Yes, I am also including Donald Trump in this. I don't think anyone is truly a low IQ mouth-breather once you start rising in politics. Easy enough to get a foothold in local politics but going up the ranks takes ambition and drive and that's not possible if you're an idiot because you get played by those smarter than you in politics.

It is possible to be intelligent in one area and completely inept in another. Pauline Hanson may be able to keep herself in the public eye and re-elected through populist rhetoric (which may involve drive but doesn't necessarily involve intelligence) but she's also unable to manage a political party or effect any change, so she is an inept politician.

 

[Gough]

It is possible to be intelligent in one area and completely inept in another. Pauline Hanson may be able to keep herself in the public eye and re-elected through populist rhetoric (which may involve drive but doesn't necessarily involve intelligence) but she's also unable to manage a political party or effect any change, so she is an inept politician.

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Abbott is neurodivergent. His total lack of empathy is unusual to say the least.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

You don't get to the top by being stupid. Pauline Hanson and Jacqui Lambie may give the impression of being buffoons at times but they know their populist rhetoric and their base to get the votes they need. In Hanson's case, she sabotaged herself by tearing apart her party whenever a challenger arose.

Yes, I am also including Donald Trump in this. I don't think anyone is truly a low IQ mouth-breather once you start rising in politics. Easy enough to get a foothold in local politics but going up the ranks takes ambition and drive and that's not possible if you're an idiot because you get played by those smarter than you in politics.

Liz Truss? George W Bush?

 

[NSWCROW]

abbott was a shit-flinging baboon egged on by scum hadley and scum jones at scum 2gb


1 trick pony mother****er

 

[Forward Press]

Liz Truss? George W Bush?

Truss - opportunistic, sure, but you don't get to PM by being unable to enlist the support of your party even if she managed to alienate most of them within a few weeks.

GWB - some say he was basically the figurehead of a neo-conservative movement within the Republican Party but he was also Governor of Texas and by all accounts smarter than what is commonly portrayed in the media.