Australia V England 2nd test of the 2017/18 Ashes @Adelaide Oval

[Dez!]

Really doubt the pink ball is going to make as much difference as people seem to think.

 

[Gough]

For all those coming to a d/n Test for the first time, don't fall for the rookie error of forgetting to bring a jacket or jumper for when the sun goes down, it can get cold.

 

[hotdish]

If anyone needs tickets to day 1 or 2 I have some to get rid of at cost price. Contact via PM

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Usman has made plenty of runs against spinners here, suggested dropping him is jumping the gun. He’ll make runs next Test.

 

[PhatBoy]

Usman has made plenty of runs against spinners here, suggested dropping him is jumping the gun. He’ll make runs next Test.

Hmm. Yet has still been dismissed by Kane Williamson, JP Duminy, Yasir Shah, Moeen Ali and Tabraiz Shamsi in the last 16 home innings.

Granted that’s not an alarming ratio. But when you look at the relative quality of those bowlers - one world class spinner, who other wise got belted everywhere during that series - you can see why people have their concerns.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Hmm. Yet has still been dismissed by Kane Williamson, JP Duminy, Yasir Shah, Moeen Ali and Tabraiz Shamsi in the last 16 home innings.

Granted that’s not an alarming ratio. But when you look at the relative quality of those bowlers - one world class spinner, who other wise got belted everywhere during that series - you can see why people have their concerns.

What’s he averaged in those 16 innings?

 

[PhatBoy]

What’s he averaged in those 16 innings?

Plenty - don’t worry it’s not as though he’s falling apart for single figures as soon as they come one.

But realistically who’s he faced, and where were the runs scored?

Brisbane and Perth hundreds against New Zealand’s dip-and-fizz combination of Mark Craig and Kane Williamson, on two highways.

Melbourne hundred against Jomel Warrican - no doubt vying with Lance Gibbs for ‘best ever West Indian spinner’ honours.

A century against the afore-mentioned Shamsi, on debut and ostensibly ordinary.

In fact in terms of absorbing decent spin it could be argued that his two best innings in that period weren’t even centuries. He made a 90 against Maharaj in Perth, a bowler who has proven very canny so far in his short career, and another 90 against Shah.

As I said it’s not like he hasn’t made runs here and has been a walking wicket to spin, but it’s hardly something that’s been tested much either (not his fault obviously)

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Plenty - don’t worry it’s not as though he’s falling apart for single figures as soon as they come one.

But realistically who’s he faced, and where were the runs scored?

Brisbane and Perth hundreds against New Zealand’s dip-and-fizz combination of Mark Craig and Kane Williamson, on two highways.

Melbourne hundred against Jomel Warrican - no doubt vying with Lance Gibbs for ‘best ever West Indian spinner’ honours.

A century against the afore-mentioned Shamsi, on debut and ostensibly ordinary.

In fact in terms of absorbing decent spin it could be argued that his two best innings in that period weren’t even centuries. He made a 90 against Maharaj in Perth, a bowler who has proven very canny so far in his short career, and another 90 against Shah.

As I said it’s not like he hasn’t made runs here and has been a walking wicket to spin, but it’s hardly something that’s been tested much either (not his fault obviously)

What people are neglecting to mention is the Poms bringing on Ali (little more than a part time spinner) when Khawaja comes in also helps the batsman up the other end, by removing an Anderson or a Broad, or another frontline bowler.

We should see it as an opportunity and not a gifted wicket.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Really doubt the pink ball is going to make as much difference as people seem to think.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10719/scorecard/1031659/England-vs-West-Indies-1st-Test/

the only time we played a night test and it the wicket was a road..
Our bowling enjoyed being under the lights.

 

[Dez!]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10719/scorecard/1031659/England-vs-West-Indies-1st-Test/

the only time we played a night test and it the wicket was a road..
Our bowling enjoyed being under the lights.

No your bowling enjoyed playing the West Indies in England with a Duke ball.

 

[OhhhhhCyril]

For all those coming to a d/n Test for the first time, don't fall for the rookie error of forgetting to bring a jacket or jumper for when the sun goes down, it can get cold.

Cheers, I would have for sure not even considered a jumper or jacket.

Important question, whats on tap at AO?

 

[Gough]

Cheers, I would have for sure not even considered a jumper or jacket.

Important question, whats on tap at AO?

Where are you sitting?

 

[kickazz]

Okay so I'm heading over for day 2.

Any tips on how best to enjoy? Have heard a lot about festivities outside the ground but is that all exclusive corporate stuff or what?

+1 on where to get the best booze.

 

[HBF]

Seen the forecast?

Just had a look then. Whilst not ideal, I don't see much play being lost.

 

[Aussie_boy]

Okay so I'm heading over for day 2.

Any tips on how best to enjoy? Have heard a lot about festivities outside the ground but is that all exclusive corporate stuff or what?

+1 on where to get the best booze.

That is exclusively for the members so you can't access that, nor would you want to.

 

[Aussie_boy]

For all those coming to a d/n Test for the first time, don't fall for the rookie error of forgetting to bring a jacket or jumper for when the sun goes down, it can get cold.

Don't worry about when the sun goes down, 21 is jumper territory anyway.

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

Simply not true. Four bowlers you can be baldy exposed at times, one gets injured or bowls badly you become very vulnerable.
You got 4 quality bowlers it's a popular team balance. Good all rounders are often rare. But claims it has always worked and it's just a set and forget settings for team selection is the height of cricket stupidity.

Four owners does not get you badly exposed. Give me a break. And it has worded for decades upon decades. Smith is more than capable of trotting out some overs and taking wickets.

 

[pugsville]

Four owners does not get you badly exposed. Give me a break. And it has worded for decades upon decades. Smith is more than capable of trotting out some overs and taking wickets.

CAN not WILL leave yo exposed.

Most teams have gone in with 5 bowlers for decades and decades. It's more common than 4 bowlers.

If you have 4 bowlers and 1 is injured or bolts badly , 3 bowlers can struggle to bowl the overs and get tired. It is a real risk.

You have 5 bowlers and one is nearly always under bowled.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

we are going to need an extra quick at the WACA

marsh might replace his brother, if he gets through 2 innings of bowling at the G next week

be nice to see him remove maxwell cheaply twice

 

[damochandler]

we are going to need an extra quick at the WACA

marsh might replace his brother, if he gets through 2 innings of bowling at the G next week

be nice to see him remove maxwell cheaply twice

Why would we need an extra quick at the waca

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Why would we need an extra quick at the waca

Because it is equally as good a wicket for batsmen as it is bowlers

You get the best out of the wicket when you come in and whang it down. you can't do that with 7/8 over spells.

We will have hazelwood and lyon bowling upwind - we need someone to spell starc/cummins down wind.

a few leggies from smith isn't going to cut it

 

[frankrizzo]

If we think a deck is so flat that we need 4 quicks and lyon why don't we just pick an actual 5th bowler?

Half arsed allrounders always just leave us short on batting and with a bowler smith barely uses anyway, if we are going to go down that road lets at least make it somebody who can change the game with the ball instead of somebody who cant win us the game with bat or ball.

 

[Badesumofu]

I would think the selectors would back Khawaja to handle Ali if his first test performance is anything to go by.

Take it you didn't see Khawaja's dismissal in the first test?

I'd keep him for one more test at least, though. Adelaide and WA will be more about pace and Ali was terrible in the second innings. I think you also have to give him a decent chance now that he's been picked.

Maxwell is next batter in at this point, but that's not super important until there is actually a spot available. I'd expect him to get a run at some point as I simply can't see us not picking an all-rounder for the entirety of the series. Our quicks all seem to be 100% right now and we have a chance to virtually ensure we win the series in this test so unchanged IMO.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

we are going to need an extra quick at the WACA

marsh might replace his brother, if he gets through 2 innings of bowling at the G next week

be nice to see him remove maxwell cheaply twice

Don’t give me nightmares about Mitch Marsh in a test side for a while please!

 

[JimDocker]

Take it you didn't see Khawaja's dismissal in the first test?

I'd keep him for one more test at least, though. Adelaide and WA will be more about pace and Ali was terrible in the second innings. I think you also have to give him a decent chance now that he's been picked.

Maxwell is next batter in at this point, but that's not super important until there is actually a spot available. I'd expect him to get a run at some point as I simply can't see us not picking an all-rounder for the entirety of the series. Our quicks all seem to be 100% right now and we have a chance to virtually ensure we win the series in this test so unchanged IMO.

Yes, I saw it. My reference to the first test was about how poorly Ali bowled. I don't think I wrote it very clearly. I would play Khawaja again and if he fails against Ali again, then he is in trouble.