Bluemour Discussion Thread XV - Facts Not Welcome

[rezzi]

Some serious truth bombs being dropped in the thread right now..keep it up people!

 

[thylacine60]

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I'll ask for his hand in marriage if you say he's a good listener as well...

hey, I'm right here, gator.......

 

[Curnivore]

Yeah Whitfield is a far superior player to Shiel, the difference in their kicking is night and day.

It would be irresponsible to not offer 2 first and 5 years at 1 million bucks.

Personally I would take Sheil over Whitfield. Whitfield better kick but Sheil more damaging. I don't think Whitfield would cost anymore than Sheil did.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I think the Plowman comparison is somewhat apt.

 

[Soapy V]

As nice as it would be to have conigilio and/or whitfield, we have players that are developing into these types. I think we'd get the most improvement in our list by addressing our weaknesses - a gun small forward or two would go a long way to balancing our list, more so than additional mids imo.

I would class mature gun mid as a major weakness

Personally I would go after players like Menegola who are underrated and wouldn’t cost as much

 

[Blue__Balls]

I would class mature gun mid as a major weakness

Personally I would go after players like Menegola who are underrated and wouldn’t cost as much

Just to clarify this for folks - maturity for an AFL player should really be tied to games played.

Assuming our likely starters for this season play another 10-15 games, and the fringe/developing ones play around 5-10, we head into 2020 with the following "midfielders":

Murphy - 270 games
Curnow - 165 games
Cripps - 100 games
SPS - 62 games
Fisher - 55 games
Dow - 40 games
Walsh - 20 games
O'Brien - 35 games
Kennedy - 40 games
Setterfield - 20 games
Stocker - 5 games

And the following "mid rotations":

Thomas - 260 games
Lang - 60 games
Cuningham - 30 games
Williamson - 25 games
Gibbons - 20 games
Polson - 20 games

Another midfielder with 100-150 games experience would be extremely valuable. Make it two if we expect Murphy and Thomas to move out of the midfield entirely, struggle to hold a spot or outright retire.

Coniglio and Whitfield the premier targets.
Brandon Ellis, Jack Newnes, Zak Jones, James Harmes some "budget" options.
Papley and Menegola fall short of the 100 games mark, but were mature recruits and should be considered.

If our off-season was Coniglio (FA), Ellis (FA), Papley (future second), then go to the draft with Adelaide's pick - I'd be stoked.
If we could find a way to secure another young gun (ie. Gresham) with the Adelaide pick, possibly with a swap of future picks, I'd be even happier.

 

[cfc4life]

Just to clarify this for folks - maturity for an AFL player should really be tied to games played.

Assuming our likely starters for this season play another 10-15 games, and the fringe/developing ones play around 5-10, we head into 2020 with the following "midfielders":

Murphy - 270 games
Curnow - 165 games
Cripps - 100 games
SPS - 62 games
Fisher - 55 games
Dow - 40 games
Walsh - 20 games
O'Brien - 35 games
Kennedy - 40 games
Setterfield - 20 games
Stocker - 5 games

And the following "mid rotations":

Thomas - 260 games
Lang - 60 games
Cuningham - 30 games
Williamson - 25 games
Gibbons - 20 games
Polson - 20 games

Another midfielder with 100-150 games experience would be extremely valuable. Make it two if we expect Murphy and Thomas to move out of the midfield entirely, struggle to hold a spot or outright retire.

Coniglio and Whitfield the premier targets.
Brandon Ellis, Jack Newnes, Zak Jones, James Harmes some "budget" options.
Papley and Menegola fall short of the 100 games mark, but were mature recruits and should be considered.

If our off-season was Coniglio (FA), Ellis (FA), Papley (future second), then go to the draft with Adelaide's pick - I'd be stoked.
If we could find a way to secure another young gun (ie. Gresham) with the Adelaide pick, possibly with a swap of future picks, I'd be even happier.

Ellis is one I'd be really going after. Cheap, experienced and in decent form. He makes mistakes every now and then but I like him.

 

[Soapy V]

Just to clarify this for folks - maturity for an AFL player should really be tied to games played.

Assuming our likely starters for this season play another 10-15 games, and the fringe/developing ones play around 5-10, we head into 2020 with the following "midfielders":

Murphy - 270 games
Curnow - 165 games
Cripps - 100 games
SPS - 62 games
Fisher - 55 games
Dow - 40 games
Walsh - 20 games
O'Brien - 35 games
Kennedy - 40 games
Setterfield - 20 games
Stocker - 5 games

And the following "mid rotations":

Thomas - 260 games
Lang - 60 games
Cuningham - 30 games
Williamson - 25 games
Gibbons - 20 games
Polson - 20 games

Another midfielder with 100-150 games experience would be extremely valuable. Make it two if we expect Murphy and Thomas to move out of the midfield entirely, struggle to hold a spot or outright retire.

Coniglio and Whitfield the premier targets.
Brandon Ellis, Jack Newnes, Zak Jones, James Harmes some "budget" options.
Papley and Menegola fall short of the 100 games mark, but were mature recruits and should be considered.

If our off-season was Coniglio (FA), Ellis (FA), Papley (future second), then go to the draft with Adelaide's pick - I'd be stoked.
If we could find a way to secure another young gun (ie. Gresham) with the Adelaide pick, possibly with a swap of future picks, I'd be even happier.

24 - 28 years old with around 100 games plus is basic criteria. Has to be the focus. We have the young talent.

Jack Martin has to be a target
Papley would be great
Coniglio would be awesome but can’t see it
Menegola is a mature big body that can play mid and forward. Is there anyone similar?
Is there another Newman around? Underrated and cheap
I’d chase Darcy Cameron as a Ruck. Jeremy Goddard from WA has promise and is ready
5-6 very good mature players would be awesome

Also a good young player like Joe Atley from PA might be a chance. Will Drew I rate

IMO every Pick has to be on the table this year.

 

[Jabba73]

24 - 28 years old with around 100 games plus is basic criteria. Has to be the focus

Jack Martin has to be a target
Papley would be great
Coniglio would be awesome but can’t see it
Menegola is a mature big body that can play mid and forward. Is there anyone similar?
Is there another Newman around? Underrated and cheap
I’d chase Darcy Cameron as a Ruck. Jeremy Goddard from WA has promise and is ready
5-6 very good mature players would be awesome

Also a good young player like Joe Atley from PA might be a chance. Will Drew I rate

IMO every Pick has to be on the table this year.

Get me Mitch Duncan from the Cats and I will be happy

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Out of this lot, Sean Darcy and Quentin Narkle would be the ones I'd be targeting. Ruckman and small forward, what we're currently screaming for. I rate them.

Both undervalued at their own club, and out of favour because there are other like players getting a game ahead of them. Could possibly get them without giving up a lot either.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-05-01/why-cant-he-get-a-game

 

[Weiterbot23]

Personally I would take Sheil over Whitfield. Whitfield better kick but Sheil more damaging. I don't think Whitfield would cost anymore than Sheil did.

I agree Shiel is more damaging, but to his own team rather than the opponent.

He's leading the comp in turnovers

 

[King Cripps]

I agree Shiel is more damaging, but to his own team rather than the opponent.

He's leading the comp in turnovers

I agree Shiel is more damaging, but to his own team rather than the opponent.

He's leading the comp in turnovers

 

[King Cripps]

Didn't we dodge a bullet

 

[Weiterbot23]

Didn't we dodge a bullet

Wait till we play them and are literally dodging his bullet passes that spray off into the crowd.

Feels like a lot of the players we have chased and missed has turned out well for us.

Carlise, Rocky, Shiel, Tomlinson (as we would have missed on either McKay or Curnow)

Smith would have actually been good.

 

[DangerousD]

24 - 28 years old with around 100 games plus is basic criteria. Has to be the focus. We have the young talent.

Jack Martin has to be a target
Papley would be great
Coniglio would be awesome but can’t see it
Menegola is a mature big body that can play mid and forward. Is there anyone similar?
Is there another Newman around? Underrated and cheap
I’d chase Darcy Cameron as a Ruck. Jeremy Goddard from WA has promise and is ready
5-6 very good mature players would be awesome

Also a good young player like Joe Atley from PA might be a chance. Will Drew I rate

IMO every Pick has to be on the table this year.

I really hope we keep a pick in the 10-18 range of this years draft, there are plenty of names above, free agents and the use of future picks to allow us to add senior players and still go to the draft.

I would really love the club to target a fwd/mid in the draft in the mould of Stephenson, Higgins, Butters

 

[Benaly28]

Whitfield over Shiel everyday of the week.Coniglio absolute star has surpassed Kelly quickly.Taranto even better than Shiel for that matter.

 

[VainGlorious]

After Round 6, 2018: 18th on the ladder, 0 wins, percentage of 66.3.
After Round 6, 2019: 15th on the ladder, 1 win, percentage of 93.6.

One or two players show a little more composure in the dying seconds of the GC game, and we win.
2 more seconds on the clock in the Hawthorn game, and a decent chance we win. Alternatively, not losing three players by 3QT and we win.

Could easily have been 2 or 3 wins on the board. We'd be sitting in 11th place if that was the case.

I know - it's not - we're in the bottom 4. But this time last year our season was cactus. This year it feels like we could pinch the win in just about any game, all it takes is the players keeping their intensity up for four quarters. Whether it suits your little personal narrative or not, the improvement is clear to see.

And with all due respect to these "supporters" you want to poll - most of them are idiots. Most people are idiots when it comes to most subjects. Footy fans are, by and large, idiots when it comes to how a footy club operates, though some of them are smart enough to not proclaim their ignorance from their digital rooftops. A subsection of supporters look no further than the ladder in any given week, and they don't like it when their mates hang **** on them after a loss. Subsequently they take out their frustration by spewing ignorant vitriol in online forums.

I'm surprised someone who spends as much time on this forum as you do is apparently blind to the improvement in the side compared to last year. I'm surprised you think the vocal minority are in any way representative of what the club should or shouldn't do. And I'm surprised you think the "supporters" don't have hope, given the membership numbers have hit a record high.

60’000 members! YEEEEEEEEEEW!

Up the baggers

 

[Gethelred]

hey, I'm right here, gator.......

Trading you in for a new model...

 

[El Topo]

Wait till we play them and are literally dodging his bullet passes that spray off into the crowd.

Feels like a lot of the players we have chased and missed has turned out well for us.

Carlise, Rocky, Shiel, Tomlinson (as we would have missed on either McKay or Curnow)

Smith would have actually been good.

Rocky would have been great for us

 

[Curnivore]

I agree Shiel is more damaging, but to his own team rather than the opponent.

He's leading the comp in turnovers

Haha true, but he's gone from GWS 3/4 fiddle to number one fiddle at the dons. If Essendon had a Cripps or Cunnington in the mid I think based on how Sheil is accumulating possessions this year he'd be back to his AA best

 

[Weiterbot23]

Rocky would have been great for us

I dunno if he fits our window.

He is 29 now and injury prone, he wouldn't have helped us get off the bottom last year, he would have been good this year, but I dunno if he would be of huge benifit 2020 onwards.

Hes on 800k, I'd rather that goto Whitfield or Cogniglio offers

 

[El Topo]

I dunno if he fits our window.

He is 29 now and injury prone, he wouldn't have helped us get off the bottom last year, he would have been good this year, but I dunno if he would be of huge benifit 2020 onwards.

Hes on 800k, I'd rather that goto Whitfield or Cogniglio offers

In a period of time when Cripps is getting smashed and our only big bodied alternatives are Krooz (injured) and Kennedy (who knows) I think he would have been perfect in taking the hits and providing composure when the heat is on. Money isn't an issue, we needed to spend Gibbs' salary somewhere.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Get me Mitch Duncan from the Cats and I will be happy

I like that a lot....about time we started turning the wheel and raided them for decent footballers

 

[Jabba73]

Whitfield over Shiel everyday of the week.Coniglio absolute star has surpassed Kelly quickly.Taranto even better than Shiel for that matter.

Whitfield is super quick too, even ASADA can’t catch up with him.

 

[Space Cadet]

I would class mature gun mid as a major weakness

Personally I would go after players like Menegola who are underrated and wouldn’t cost as much

We could add mature mid midfielder but by years end he could be behind Cripps, SPS, Walsh, Dow, Fisher and if we're lucky Cunners and Setterfield. All these guys bar Cripps should be taking another step next season.

Or we could recruit a small forward/hf to compete with Polson and Pickett and add that missing dimension to our forward line.

(Obviously we'd be looking at both, I'm just arguing the latter should be higher priority).