This, there are players on our list that are in better form that are getting paid much less
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This, there are players on our list that are in better form that are getting paid much less
Hammers_Saints
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Goddard absolutely detests Lyon with a passion after what happened, wouldn't want a bar of him
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how do you know that?
Jay C
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Unless St Kilda fall off a cliff this year, I don't see BJ moving to a club like GCS, GWS, Melbourne etc. who will not contend for a premiership for at least 5 years.
Only way I could see him leaving is if a club who are in their 'premiership window' offer him a $150-200K better deal.
Only way I could see him leaving is if a club who are in their 'premiership window' offer him a $150-200K better deal.
There are a 2 players on our list that need a pay cut to ensure we maintain a strong list into the future....
Kosi - should not be paid more than $300k from 2013 onwards (estimated that he has earnt $500-600k p.a for the last 5 yrs.... WTF?!?!)
Roo - should not be paid more than $600k from 2013 onwards (estimated that he has earnt $850k-1mil p.a for the last 5 yrs... needs to take a decent pay cut now IMO to ensure HIS club is strong when now that he's heading into his twilight years & towards retirement)
Thats just a start... I've only mentioned 2 players & already freed up approx $600k
This can be put towards ensuring 2 vitally key members of our club in Goddard & Gwilt stay with us
Kosi - should not be paid more than $300k from 2013 onwards (estimated that he has earnt $500-600k p.a for the last 5 yrs.... WTF?!?!)
Roo - should not be paid more than $600k from 2013 onwards (estimated that he has earnt $850k-1mil p.a for the last 5 yrs... needs to take a decent pay cut now IMO to ensure HIS club is strong when now that he's heading into his twilight years & towards retirement)
Thats just a start... I've only mentioned 2 players & already freed up approx $600k
This can be put towards ensuring 2 vitally key members of our club in Goddard & Gwilt stay with us
I'm pretty sure Kosi and Roo go on to the veteran's list next year anyway, Blake is one that if he plays on will have to play for basically nothing, I'm not sure how large the vet list is but maybe Milney as well
Veterans list sounds great! Pretty sure it's only for 2-3 players per club though.
Yet, this still doesnt mean we should keep paying them this ridiculously high income. In effect, the pay cut i suggested previously & veterans list eligibility frees up a approx $1million.... In effect, this keeps Goddard, Gwilt, Montagna (all eligible for free agency) at the club. An probably leaves us some change to pickup maybe a Shaun McKernan....
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Vets list changes this year. Think upto 5-7 guys can go on it but only $100K per person goes on vets list. Or something like that anyway
Think you're right AT... Comes down to number of players with 10 or more years of club service all being eligible, then doing a shitload of tricky maths...
"The Veterans List allowance will be amended to apply to players with 10 years service at one club and will be based on a set amount of TPP per player calculated as a percentage of TPP."
- from AFL.com.au
Ps. My wife believes the only reason i go on Bigfooty is to see your Avatar on a daily basis AT... She may be onto something
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Think you're right AT... Comes down to number of players with 10 or more years of club service all being eligible, then doing a shitload of tricky maths...
"The Veterans List allowance will be amended to apply to players with 10 years service at one club and will be based on a set amount of TPP per player calculated as a percentage of TPP."
- from AFL.com.au
Ps. My wife believes the only reason i go on Bigfooty is to see your Avatar on a daily basis AT... She may be onto something
Haha i don't think your only one if going by some PM's I get about it!!
Are you assuming he's going to GWS? because last I heard you only get one pick if you lose someone through free agency. Two picks was/is if you lost someone who was out of contract to GWS, or Gold Coast.
Unless there has been a change that I haven't heard about, we'd only get one first round pick if Goddard left (through free agency). If he is to leave at the end of the year, we'll be much better off if he goes to GWS (as we would get two picks for him then). Don't necessarily see him going to GWS though, (better golf courses down here- the same reason he probably won't want to go to Geelong) and I'm not even sure they'd target him.
On his form of two years ago it wouldn't be, but on current form it would be way too much. The question we'd have to be asking ourselves is whether he's playing as he currently is because he has all this on his mind (like Travis Cloke, who it all seems to be affecting badly), or is this how he'll be playing from now on? He hasn't been at his brilliant best since 2010, but last year he carried a hip injury through the whole season, which probably affected his footy, but he's hopefully over that now.
If this is how he's going to be playing from now on, he's prolly not worth more than say $650K, at the most. The only thing is, if we lose him and only get one first round pick in return, it pretty much ends any chance we'll have of winning the premiership in the following year or so, unless we're able to then turn right around and nab someone else under free agency, with the money we had set aside for Goddard. But then if we did that, we wouldn't necessarily get any compo pick for losing Goddard, so it would be a conundrum.
Carlton is a weird one. Two days ago they were quoted as saying that they "would have a tight salary cap which would preclude the Blues from trying to lure rival players to Visy Park." http://www.news.com.au/news/chris-yarran-deal-a-priority-for-carlton/story-fndv8f7j-1226373023201 yet the very next day Ratten says "Carlton had room in its salary cap for a big name, and even if it fell short would make room." http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/afl...nt-for-boak-20120530-1zjfc.html#ixzz1wShhu4A6 so their salary cap situation seems to be somehow changing on a daily basis!
That sounds a bit to me like Ross Lyon coming out last year and saying that we needed to try and get a "power forward" from another club, at the end of that year, even though it turned out we had so little room in the salary cap that we had to let Zac Dawson go for no return and offer others a pay cut, just to keep them all. So it might be a bit of wishful thinking on the behalf of Ratten.
The only clubs in the race with enough money and appeal to BJ would be Freo, Sydney and Geelong I reckon and I doubt he'd particularly want to move to any of those places, because, as I said earlier, they have inferior golf courses and he is golf-mad and plays pennant golf for Yarra Yarra. So not only would he have to leave his friends and family and our footy club, but his golf club and the other local (world class) courses as well. That is a lot to give up for another $100K or so a year, when you're already relatively rich.
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Nah, it's not $100,000 extra. Let's assume he is on $550 - $600,00 this year. It's being touted he could be offered $1m at another club.
$400,000 extra for the next 4 years is pretty enticing?
Yeah but I think we'll be offering him more than $550-600K this time around. And I'd be surprised if another club offered him a mil, especially considering his form for the past 18 months. And half of his earnings go in tax, so even if it was still $200K difference, that is only about $100K after tax.
It really doesn't.
Anyone who earns over $200k invests in a good accountant so they don't pay anywhere near that much tax.
An extremely large percentage of the tax collected comes from the working middle class. Packer et al would probably pay less tax than you.
I think you are oversimplifying it.
If you are running a business there are tonnes of ways to reduce your tax. ( ie Packer ).
If you are being paid $X for performing a job, it all comes down to legitimate business expenses. Mostly spelt out by the tax department and easy to Audit. Wouldn't be much scope for footy players I would think.
My brother is one of those accountants I was talking about. You are correct that it's very easy if you own a business, but it's still reasonably easy to dodge an insane amount of tax if you are just an employee.
"Player X Foundation for kids with cancer/any other cause" is one of the biggest ones.
Don't forget that many players own restaurants etc which just provides more options.
Not sure about the "foundation". You'd have to put in to write the tax off I think ( and I wouldn't want to play down some of the great charity footballers get involved with).
Fair comment about the restaurants etc though. However when they have shares in a business ( I know Nick Riewoldt has shares in a few pubs ) it gets harder to write down one person's taxable income.
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When Goddard last signed it was reported that it was for close to 700k pa and making him the second highest paid player behind Roo at the club. I dare say his currency has since dropped and we wouldn't be offering him any more than around 600k on a new contract. He could probably attract 800k at a rival club IMO. I hope Goddard re-signs with us but more than that I hope the club is smart about it and doesn't blow our cap on one player causing us to potentially offload blokes like Steven, Armo and Stanley.
They might all be good and well, but running a charity is a massive, massive tax dodge (whether intentional or not).
I used to work with a guy who basically set up a charity (or similar) for what was effectively a hobby for him that had some tenuous link to the company he worked at who were partially a volunteer organisation (which is why he could do it). At the end of every financial year he would sit down with his accountant and figure out the optimum amount and then would make a huge donation to it, and basically use the money to fund his hobby anway (which also helped the company).
Anyway, my point is, saying "well it's 400k more, but he loses half in tax" just isn't going to be accurate.
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BJ was good tonight, his best game of the year and played with some of his old fire and passion. Loved his hanger in the first quarter.
Maybe he does want to stay at St Kilda after all.
Maybe he does want to stay at St Kilda after all.
Twitter gives us a direct link to him, so why not use it...
If you have a twitter account, please send out some love to Brendon and show him how much we want him to stay!
Thought we could use a hash tag
#pleasestayBJ
If you have a twitter account, please send out some love to Brendon and show him how much we want him to stay!
Thought we could use a hash tag
#pleasestayBJ
BrianSpeaking
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Roo's currency is dropping quicker than Melbourne's property market. PATHETIC kicking for a guy on a million, what a joke!!!!
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Don't see Riewoldt missing from 13m out directly in front.
I know, I mean he has been so inaccurate this year, it's really hurting us.
BrianSpeaking
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No, but I saw him miss from 20, 25, 30, 40 and 50 and it happens in every game, often with the oppo taking the ball down field and kicking a goal.
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