Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

[Laurie Holden]

People are focused on money, and rightly so, but I don’t see the issue. I feel this year he has improved his hit outs to advantage and has started to be more aggressive and celebrating his team mates more. Just watch him after a team mate kicks a goal. The guy is one of our most durable, best performing players and being rewarded accordingly.

 

[VinnieB]

People are focused on money, and rightly so, but I don’t see the issue. I feel this year he has improved his hit outs to advantage and has started to be more aggressive and celebrating his team mates more. Just watch him after a team mate kicks a goal. The guy is one of our most durable, best performing players and being rewarded accordingly. View attachment 1364562

unfortunately many of those numbers are 15-25% below his 2018 and 2019 seasons when he demanded and received a long term deal on big $$.

2019: Disposals 21.3, Contested possessions: 13.7, Clearances: 6.1, Hitout wins: 53.9%, Hitouts to advantage: 12.3%, Score involvements: 6.4.

He is obviously still one of the better ruckman in the game, but I'm sure when we agreed to pay him $900k+ pa for 7 years, we expected more of the 2018/2019 Grundy. Fact is, the longer into his contract, it's likely he isn't going to as effective as the earlier years of this contract.

 

[watt price tully]

People are focused on money, and rightly so, but I don’t see the issue. I feel this year he has improved his hit outs to advantage and has started to be more aggressive and celebrating his team mates more. Just watch him after a team mate kicks a goal. The guy is one of our most durable, best performing players and being rewarded accordingly. View attachment 1364562

I’ve never said he is rubbish and said he has some good qualities however not taking a single mark let alone having 8 Clangers and 8 critical errors detracts (significantly) in my view from the way he needs to be assessed.
A good ruck takes marks and has a physical presence.
He’s always celebrated team and other individual success but needs to do (much) better in terms of marking, getting back to assist the defence and not make as many mistakes as he does.

 

[legendstatus]

I've seen it mostly listed by AFL journos as $900k-$950k, and have never seen it reported as above $1m. It's a boring drum to keep on banging, but ~half a million over the period is a significant difference.

Lol 50k under a year and that’s ok in your mind??


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[gouki88]

Lol 50k under a year and that’s ok in your mind??


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Well firstly, that wasn't the discussion. It might seem like semantics like you, but $50k-100k every year over 7 years adds up to a significant amount of money

 

[Mollythedolly]

If Grundy was on 700k we might still have Treloar.
Or have a shot at getting a free agent.
We cut Treloar because of lack of dollars.
And we haven’t been able, and will not be able to, go after a free agent in the foreseeable future.
As for your 28 hit out stat, can you refine this to “hit outs to advantage “? Because that’s the stat that we need.

HO to advantage from the Cats game at 33.3% I think.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Lol 50k under a year and that’s ok in your mind??


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$50-100k is a lot of money to me.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Stats are one thing and his are solid, but he’s not passing the ‘eye test’.

Barely notice him during games tbh, no marks on the weekend for a ruckman moving around the ground like he does is strange.

Needs to step up.

 

[Mollythedolly]

unfortunately many of those numbers are 15-25% below his 2018 and 2019 seasons when he demanded and received a long term deal on big $$.

2019: Disposals 21.3, Contested possessions: 13.7, Clearances: 6.1, Hitout wins: 53.9%, Hitouts to advantage: 12.3%, Score involvements: 6.4.

He is obviously still one of the better ruckman in the game, but I'm sure when we agreed to pay him $900k+ pa for 7 years, we expected more of the 2018/2019 Grundy. Fact is, the longer into his contract, it's likely he isn't going to as effective as the earlier years of this contract.

I think some of that can be leveled at the reduced ruck stoppages where Grundy does his best work and historically accumulated those stats. Games averaged 72 stoppages in 2018, 79 in 2019. Currently at 63 in 202s.

 

[VinnieB]

I think some of that can be leveled at the reduced ruck stoppages where Grundy does his best work and historically accumulated those stats. Games averaged 72 stoppages in 2018, 79 in 2019. Currently at 63 in 202s.

I’m sure you’re right about the stoppages. Does that mean the game he so heavily relied upon is now gone and he is never going to be that player again?
But, numbers are numbers and they don’t tell a full story. Sometimes all it takes is to use your eyes and you’ll see how less effective has been. There are ‘stats’ that don’t seem to be recorded which could provide a clearer picture. Grundy was a weapon and arguably our best player. From back to back Copelands to finishing 7th and 6th. Brownlow he received 17 votes in 2018 and 23 in 2019, with 3 in 2020 and 9 in 2021.
In 2018/2019 he was All-Australia and was indisputably the best ruckman in the game. So regardless what the numbers say, he hasn’t been the same player since 2019. Still a good player without a doubt. Just not the unbelievable player he once was. I think he can get back to where he was. Just a question of why he isn’t there yet.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I’m sure you’re right about the stoppages. Does that mean the game he so heavily relied upon is now gone and he is never going to be that player again?
But, numbers are numbers and they don’t tell a full story. Sometimes all it takes is to use your eyes and you’ll see how less effective has been. There are ‘stats’ that don’t seem to be recorded which could provide a clearer picture. Grundy was a weapon and arguably our best player. From back to back Copelands to finishing 7th and 6th. Brownlow he received 17 votes in 2018 and 23 in 2019, with 3 in 2020 and 9 in 2021.
In 2018/2019 he was All-Australia and was indisputably the best ruckman in the game. So regardless what the numbers say, he hasn’t been the same player since 2019. Still a good player without a doubt. Just not the unbelievable player he once was. I think he can get back to where he was. Just a question of why he isn’t there yet.

I don’t see that he’s that far off. Look forward to seeing how his season evolves, but 3 games into 2022 I think there’s a few posters (not suggesting you) way overboard in their criticism.

 

[stormskye]

Needs to take more marks and have an aerial presence. . Plain and simple. Gawn has 6 before halftime. This is a knock on Nic Nat as well. Never impacts enough in the air

 

[danielnajdek]

Gawm has more marks in that half then Brodie has taken in the first 3 rounds.

 

[sr36]

Needs to take more marks and have an aerial presence. . Plain and simple. Gawn has 6 before halftime. This is a knock on Nic Nat as well. Never impacts enough in the air

I don't think that will ever be Brody's strength - to me he needs to improve his ball usage from stoppage and he'll star with his strengths.

 

[sr36]

I’m sure you’re right about the stoppages. Does that mean the game he so heavily relied upon is now gone and he is never going to be that player again?
But, numbers are numbers and they don’t tell a full story. Sometimes all it takes is to use your eyes and you’ll see how less effective has been. There are ‘stats’ that don’t seem to be recorded which could provide a clearer picture. Grundy was a weapon and arguably our best player. From back to back Copelands to finishing 7th and 6th. Brownlow he received 17 votes in 2018 and 23 in 2019, with 3 in 2020 and 9 in 2021.
In 2018/2019 he was All-Australia and was indisputably the best ruckman in the game. So regardless what the numbers say, he hasn’t been the same player since 2019. Still a good player without a doubt. Just not the unbelievable player he once was. I think he can get back to where he was. Just a question of why he isn’t there yet.

My view is that the reason why stoppages are down is because teams are way more attacking from them, aided by the rules, and thus you see a heap less repeat stoppages. Stoppages are more important than ever, becasue teams are scoring more from them. Grundy's strength is the ability to become an extra mid from stoppage, but he needs to use the footy better from them, it was an area that he was improving in every year - until suddenly he has regressed. If he can get back to being a stoppage weapon and use the ball better from stoppage - he'll be worth every cent. Otherwise, he'll be doing really well with his salary.

 

[doppleganger]

I don't think that will ever be Brody's strength - to me he needs to improve his ball usage from stoppage and he'll star with his strengths.

This.

When Grundy was the dominant ruck in the game and was winning BnFs and a huge reason why we went deep into September it was his work at stoppage that was key.

He has never really been a dominant aerial presence...and doesnt need to be.

 

[manicpie]

People are focused on money, and rightly so, but I don’t see the issue. I feel this year he has improved his hit outs to advantage and has started to be more aggressive and celebrating his team mates more. Just watch him after a team mate kicks a goal. The guy is one of our most durable, best performing players and being rewarded accordingly. View attachment 1364562

Nah, I'm still not feeling it. Madgen has a disposal efficiency of 90% and he's still shit

 

[stormskye]

I don't think that will ever be Brody's strength - to me he needs to improve his ball usage from stoppage and he'll star with his strengths.

I agree it’s not his strength, but 0
Marks for a ruck during the entire game isn’t good enough. I just think it’s def one area he needs to lift in. I don’t think he deserve all the criticism he’s getting. Just watching gawns marking has made me slightly jealous

 

[Deathray]

Gawm has more marks in that half then Brodie has taken in the first 3 rounds.

Gawn and Jackson now have 12 marks between them. We’ve locked in a ground level ruckman for the next however many years.

 

[sr36]

I agree it’s not his strength, but 0
Marks for a ruck during the entire game isn’t good enough. I just think it’s def one area he needs to lift in. I don’t think he deserve all the criticism he’s getting. Just watching gawns marking has made me slightly jealous

I'm not worried about him not taking marks. In fact, I think it speaks volumes about the coaching and game plan. To me, he's not a good mark and isn't going to take many contested and he doesn't use the ball enough to be used as a linkman and thus gert used for uncontested marks, like he was so much under Bucks. He should be taking low numbers of marks and instead getting his ball on the inside - got to focus on his inside game and his ability to kick and handball to advantage - that's where he can improve and become a weapon.

 

[legendstatus]

Gawn and Jackson now have 12 marks between them. We’ve locked in a ground level ruckman for the next however many years.

It’s the biggest concern isn’t it. Watching Gawn & Jackson shows you what a mess we have with Grundy!


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[watt price tully]

This.

When Grundy was the dominant ruck in the game and was winning BnFs and a huge reason why we went deep into September it was his work at stoppage that was key.

He has never really been a dominant aerial presence...and doesnt need to be.

Grundy doesn’t have to be a dominant contested mark but a few a game assists whether it’s repelling attacks or being part of one. He doesn’t spoil particularly well either or get to big man contests as much as he ought to in my opinion.

Zero marks however is unacceptable for a ruckman. This leaves far too much responsibility to other players in the team.

His strengths as has been noted include tap outs (at times), second efforts, tackling, and his running ( a double edged sword at times). He can be an accurate kick as well.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

I've been down on him the last few years, but he has been ok this year. The effort and work rate is there. I feel it will turn around and he will have a big year. As for the marking, he would be better marking if he didn't have to do so much ruck work. A lot of the time he is knackered by the time he gets to the pack and just tries to halve the contest. If we had Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

working in tandem with him, he would look better. Having said this, Gawn is, and has always been, a far better player.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Well firstly, that wasn't the discussion. It might seem like semantics like you, but $50k-100k every year over 7 years adds up to a significant amount of money

It’s not much in football terms. Salary cap rules mean the money gets paid to somebody. If one bloke is overpaid 100k and then ten blokes are underpaid 10 k then it is what it is. The player list will still be identical.

 

[manicpie]

I just had a look at Gawn's stats for last night and Grundy doesn't even deserve to be in the same conversation