Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

[Doc1763]

Above his career average for everything other than Clearances, and he is only 0.1 under for that.
He's probably under on marks, but it doesn't show that stat for some reason.

 

[watt price tully]

It's embarrassing that you can't look at Grundy's performance with even a hint of objectivity. Grundy comfortably won the match-up. Cry about it

That’s one way of looking at the match up. Who was more effective for their team?
I thought when Nic got it out of the Centre he was more clean and more dangerous than Grundy doing so. Grundy certainly okayed better but I wouldn’t be dismissive of Nic Nats contribution to WCE victory.

 

[Wearmouth]

Above his career average for everything other than Clearances, and he is only 0.1 under for that.
He's probably under on marks, but it doesn't show that stat for some reason.

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So that’s great. We are measuring just his own output. That he basically controls by only tapping to himself and achieving his gains.

Have a look at the most successful teams. Their Ruckman aren’t the ones continually clearing the contest. Their mids are the dominant aspect. The Ruckman then has a damaging affect around the ground. Taking reliving marks and filling gaps.

But we’ve been conned into believing that a stats filled Ruckman is a bonified star. Well Lynch proved otherwise in his last game for Collingwood. A guy on peanuts exposed the folly of what we see weekly. When he serviced the mids abundantly and performed his duties around the ground.

But hey let’s rest on the fact that Grundy won HIS contest. And we lost.

Astounding…


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[jmac70]

So that’s great. We are measuring just his own output. That he basically controls by only tapping to himself and achieving his gains.

Have a look at the most successful teams. Their Ruckman aren’t the ones continually clearing the contest. Their mids are the dominant aspect. The Ruckman then has a damaging affect around the ground. Taking reliving marks and filling gaps.

But we’ve been conned into believing that a stats filled Ruckman is a bonified star. Well Lynch proved otherwise in his last game for Collingwood. A guy on peanuts exposed the folly of what we see weekly. When he serviced the mids abundantly and performed his duties around the ground.

But hey let’s rest on the fact that Grundy won HIS contest. And we lost.

Astounding…


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Gee whiz, time to take a break from the constant bagging.
What are you trying to achieve?

 

[Wearmouth]

Myopic views of ruckmen are boring.

When will you begin to realize that repeating the same actions and expecting a different result is an exercise in futility….

But then again, I suppose that ignorance must be bliss…..


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[Wearmouth]

Gee whiz, time to take a break from the constant bagging.
What are you trying to achieve?

That’s the million dollar question….


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[jmac70]

That’s the million dollar question….


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More like a $1 question.

 

[Rorzza]

Above his career average for everything other than Clearances, and he is only 0.1 under for that.
He's probably under on marks, but it doesn't show that stat for some reason.

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Stacks up, is playing well!

Nothing to see here...

 

[Magnanimous]

Grundy was a beast yesterday.

If he replicates that form for the rest of the season will win the Copeland by a mile.

Nick says hi


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[jmac70]

Nick says hi


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Nick is a great player, of course he is going to have dominate stages of every game he plays.
Grundy had a really good game. He’s not the reason we lost.
The hate directed his way has become a shit stain on this board.
Too many keyboard warriors who have no clue how hard he works.
Some of our supporters are pathetic.

 

[Wearmouth]

Nick is a great player, of course he is going to have dominate stages of every game he plays.
Grundy had a really good game. He’s not the reason we lost.
The hate directed his way has become a shit stain on this board.
Too many keyboard warriors who have no clue how hard he works.
Some of our supporters are pathetic.

Ok I’ll explain it to you, as it seems you are incapable of seeing things past your nose.

He is an effort based player. No one is questioning that. But what is at question is his method of making himself valuable. He undoubtedly gets his hands to the taps. He undoubtedly gets the ball in his hands and to his feet. But that’s where is stops. He doesn’t actually hurt an opposition with many of his possessions. And in fact they are more often than not, turnovers. Then the things he should do which are take relieving marks around the ground and fill defensive holes to stop the forward entries of the opposition. He doesn’t do nearly enough of.

So what does all of this do. It makes your mids indecisive and unsure where and what he’ll do in the centre and around the ground ball ups. Instead of them getting the ball tapped to them and he offer a block. Or he gets a quick handball to a mid and their responsible with delivering to a teammate. Instead of the dump kicks he is used to doing. Which inevitably end up in the oppositions hands as a turnover.


I’m always amazed how on many occasions he wins the tap count by double figures yet we lose the clearances for the day. That’s because everyone knows what he is doing. So it’s easy to nullify and break even. Or like most of the better teams take advantage of his flawed process. And just throw a hard body at him and force the errors from his disposal and get the take away.

Watch our past games and also pay attention to our next game and tell me I’m wrong. We make most of our attacks from our halfbacks. Because they know most likely the balls coming their way. This forces your half back line and inevitably the back line having to work even harder to get a turn over and then overlap. Having to do this type of continual effort based attacking takes its toll. Not just with your conditioning. But also with injuries. If that is the entire basis of your system of play. You either need 15 utility style players in your team. Or a depth that we can’t cover.

I have no doubt that if he tempered his constant need to take the ball himself, or tap to himself, and instead tap to advantage and step that big frame in front as a block for his mids. Or handball the ball to his mids and let them take the ball away. We’d be better served and he would not get worn down by games end. Also, if he shared the Rucking 60/40 with the other Ruckman, instead of 90/10. And also helped in the forward line. He just wanting to run through the middle most of the day and be spent by the end. Doesn’t serve us and sure as hell doesn’t make him look any better.

Grundy is his own worst enemy. Two or three years ago he was the next big thing in the Rucking landscape. Definitely moving past Gawn and Naitinui. Now In his prime he is finding his effort based method of play has no merit. He struggles to beat guys like Saldo and Nankervis. Even guys like Marshall and Foster are going past him. And Gawn has gone to another level. Because he gets his mids to do the midfield work. He makes his presence felt around the ground. Where he also dominates. Along with his sidekick Jackson.

I think Grundy is a good player. But he is not the answer or the difference for us. But he does have to take responsibility for what he is and isn’t doing for us to win games. As do other senior players on over $600K. It’s not the rookies and kids that get the blame for this. They are bit players in this grand game plan of ours.

I think personally we should look to moving him on to Port. At 0-4 this year and possibly missing the top 4 and even the 8. They look ripe to accept him to their fold as they are needing a fresh injection of hope. It’ll benefit Grundy. Benefit our salary cap. We’ll get their 1st rounder and a player like SSP/Houston/Burn-Jones. I’m certain we can replace him over the next couple of seasons.


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[jmac70]

Ok I’ll explain it to you, as it seems you are incapable of seeing things past your nose.

He is an effort based player. No one is questioning that. But what is at question is his method of making himself valuable. He undoubtedly gets his hands to the taps. He undoubtedly gets the ball in his hands and to his feet. But that’s where is stops. He doesn’t actually hurt an opposition with many of his possessions. And in fact they are more often than not, turnovers. Then the things he should do which are take relieving marks around the ground and fill defensive holes to stop the forward entries of the opposition. He doesn’t do nearly enough of.

So what does all of this do. It makes your mids indecisive and unsure where and what he’ll do in the centre and around the ground ball ups. Instead of them getting the ball tapped to them and he offer a block. Or he gets a quick handball to a mid and their responsible with delivering to a teammate. Instead of the dump kicks he is used to doing. Which inevitably end up in the oppositions hands as a turnover.


I’m always amazed how on many occasions he wins the tap count by double figures yet we lose the clearances for the day. That’s because everyone knows what he is doing. So it’s easy to nullify and break even. Or like most of the better teams take advantage of his flawed process. And just throw a hard body at him and force the errors from his disposal and get the take away.

Watch our past games and also pay attention to our next game and tell me I’m wrong. We make most of our attacks from our halfbacks. Because they know most likely the balls coming their way. This forces your half back line and inevitably the back line having to work even harder to get a turn over and then overlap. Having to do this type of continual effort based attacking takes its toll. Not just with your conditioning. But also with injuries. If that is the entire basis of your system of play. You either need 15 utility style players in your team. Or a depth that we can’t cover.

I have no doubt that if he tempered his constant need to take the ball himself, or tap to himself, and instead tap to advantage and step that big frame in front as a block for his mids. Or handball the ball to his mids and let them take the ball away. We’d be better served and he would not get worn down by games end. Also, if he shared the Rucking 60/40 with the other Ruckman, instead of 90/10. And also helped in the forward line. He just wanting to run through the middle most of the day and be spent by the end. Doesn’t serve us and sure as hell doesn’t make him look any better.

Grundy is his own worst enemy. Two or three years ago he was the next big thing in the Rucking landscape. Definitely moving past Gawn and Naitinui. Now In his prime he is finding his effort based method of play has no merit. He struggles to beat guys like Saldo and Nankervis. Even guys like Marshall and Foster are going past him. And Gawn has gone to another level. Because he gets his mids to do the midfield work. He makes his presence felt around the ground. Where he also dominates. Along with his sidekick Jackson.

I think Grundy is a good player. But he is not the answer or the difference for us. But he does have to take responsibility for what he is and isn’t doing for us to win games. As do other senior players on over $600K. It’s not the rookies and kids that get the blame for this. They are bit players in this grand game plan of ours.

I think personally we should look to moving him on to Port. At 0-4 this year and possibly missing the top 4 and even the 8. They look ripe to accept him to their fold as they are needing a fresh injection of hope. It’ll benefit Grundy. Benefit our salary cap. We’ll get their 1st rounder and a player like SSP/Houston/Burn-Jones. I’m certain we can replace him over the next couple of seasons.


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Sorry but I only ever read the first ten words of any post.

 

[Wearmouth]

Sorry but I only ever read the first ten words of any post.

That’s ok. I took you for a navel gazer anyway. I’m sorry that the facts hurt your feelings….


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[jmac70]

That’s ok. I took you for a navel gazer anyway. I’m sorry that the facts hurt your feelings….


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I didn’t read your facts, so no harm done.

 

[stormskye]

Always amazes me that people say we need to trade Grundy because he’s not worth the $. If he’s not worth the $, who’d trade for him?.

 

[Finnishpie]

Always amazes me that people say we need to trade Grundy because he’s not worth the $. If he’s not worth the $, who’d trade for him?.

see treloar….

Also, to the Grundy haters, don’t look at how good Witts has become. It’s drive you mad.

 

[Kappa]

Always amazes me that people say we need to trade Grundy because he’s not worth the $. If he’s not worth the $, who’d trade for him?.

A team in their premiership window who wanna take a risk and screw their future for the immediate gain.

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

For what it is worth, I thought Grundy had a very good game tonight, almost back to the Grundy we expect.

6 Tackles (only Jamie had more with 9) and 8 clearances, not too bad.

The old man always brings up what a good tackler Grundy is. He's particularly good at getting down low for a tackle on smaller players. So many big guys clobber and coathanger smaller players when trying to tackle them.

 

[Wearmouth]

Always amazes me that people say we need to trade Grundy because he’s not worth the $. If he’s not worth the $, who’d trade for him?.

Of all our expensive pieces. Grundy is the one we need the least. As long as the others play we can have anyone of the talls we have rucking and our outcomes wouldn’t be any worse. In fact if his money was distributed to a KPF and another KPD we’d be in front.

For all of Grundy’s so called effort. He doesn’t actually help us win. And that’s a lot of money tied to a nothing outcome. I’m not expecting you to understand. Just watch his performance and see.

If he continues to do what he is doing we are lost. He has to change his game to one that involves his teammates. I’m certain Fly will do this. And get him to change. Well at least I hope he does…..


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[manicpie]

The old man always brings up what a good tackler Grundy is. He's particularly good at getting down low for a tackle on smaller players. So many big guys clobber and coathanger smaller players when trying to tackle them.

Well that has to worth half a mill a year, he can tackle little blokes

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

Well that has to worth half a mill a year, he can tackle little blokes

Hey, I was just pointing out a positive part of his game. I don't think he's worth nearly as much money as he's on either. Based on the last 3 seasons, he's worth 600k a year at the absolute most.

I think Wearmouth and others make some pretty valid criticisms about Grundy. The critics actually analyze what he does on the field in depth, while the defenders almost always just point to stats. Stats alone aren't much to go off and never have been.

It's frustrating that we can rarely ever get a productive discussion going about Grundy on this board, especially when users like jmac are constantly flaming others with impunity for daring to criticize any of the players.

Like it or not folks, the contract is a big issue. The salary cap matters, and the performances of those on big money rightly come under more intense scrutiny. It goes like this in every sport with the media and fans. If you're on the big bucks then you've got a certain standard you're expected to live up to.

 

[jmac70]

Hey, I was just pointing out a positive part of his game. I don't think he's worth nearly as much money as he's on either. Based on the last 3 seasons, he's worth 600k a year at the absolute most.

I think Wearmouth and others make some pretty valid criticisms about Grundy. The critics actually analyze what he does on the field in depth, while the defenders almost always just point to stats. Stats alone aren't much to go off and never have been.

It's frustrating that we can rarely ever get a productive discussion going about Grundy on this board, especially when users like jmac are constantly flaming others with impunity for daring to criticize any of the players.

Like it or not folks, the contract is a big issue. The salary cap matters, and the performances of those on big money rightly come under more intense scrutiny. It goes like this in every sport with the media and fans. If you're on the big bucks then you've got a certain standard you're expected to live up to.

Yeah, I’m a Grundy fan. Proud of it.
He’s going to have a ripping season.

 

[sr36]

Needs to improve his disposal, if he can do that, he's worth every cent.

 

[TradeDraft]

Got 2 Votes by the Coaches vs Eagles

 

[SouthernPie]

Needs to improve his disposal, if he can do that, he's worth every cent.

Yep and his aerial skills. A player his size (and renumeration) would ideally be taking double figure marks per game, all around the ground.
If he finds he's not in a position to cleanly mark, it would be beneficial to know when and how to spoil effectively.
There's quite a few areas apart from centre bounces, where he could have a massive impact.