Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

[No SPIN]

Of course you were.


Unfortunately this is where the uneducated in the game believe the stats. They must be right…….

Well, until they are explained to the naive.

Grundy is elite in inside 50’s at 4.2 per game. Until you know that it’s from his dump kicks that mostly get intercepted and rebounded for goals or shots on goal from the opposition.

Grundy is elite at contested possessions at 11 per game. No shit he is a Ruckman and one that taps to himself. Of course he’ll get many chances at contests that he causes himself. Added to his almost 90% game time in the ruck. Well you know the rest.

He is elite at ground ball gets. Now let’s repeat that. GROUND BALL GETS. I’m too polite to even explain what that means. But I’ll say one thing. If a Ruckman is on the ground getting the ground ball. It means he isn’t standing taking marks. FMD.

He is elite at clearances at 6 per game. The same reason he is elite at contested possessions. BECAUSE HE TAPS TO HIMSELF. Hawkins does the same for the Cats. But that’s in the forward line and he kicks goals with it. Grundy just turns the ball over most of the time instead. But we’ll get to that later.

And finally he is elite at tackles. At 4.2 per game. But I suspect that’s a consequence of tapping to yourself and keeping the ball around you. So it goes with the territory. But that one I’ll take his elite status in.

Now,

Disposal efficiency per game 54%
Kicking efficiency per game 38%
Effective kicks per game 3.4
Intercepting possession per game 2.4

Goals per game 0.4

Marks per game 1.8
Marks inside 50 per game 0
Contested Marks per game 0.2
Intercept marks per game 0.4

He is non existent defensively so there’s no point even comparing him well below average. God forbid he go back and take a relieving defensive mark. Or an interception for that matter. That may actually help us win a game especially in the past that we’ve lost by a few goals each. It’s those things that could have made a difference.

So in all the things that you want a Ruckman to be elite in he is below average. And he is only elite in things you want your mids to be elite in. And Super Coach points……WTF.

The fact that he only takes 0.2 contested marks per game. Is laughable. You know what that means we have to wait 5 games before he actually takes a contested mark. Don’t you think that’s a little like shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.

The fact he gets so much of it. Yet butchers it and turns it over escapes everyone.

That’s ok though people like you enjoy getting fed like chooks with the splatterings on offer from the drongos on Champion Data. Their telling you Grundy is one of the best Ruckman in the comp……On the contrary.

And if those at the club aren’t waking up to these damning stats then they need their arses handed to them for their own negligence.


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Here’s an idea - why don’t you line up all the same stats for the top Ruckmen and see how Grundy compares.
Your analysis is completely meaningless otherwise, as is your vacuous denigration of the stats.

 

[Matrix10]

Only to people who don’t understand

Here’s an idea - why don’t you line up all the same stats for the top Ruckmen and see how Grundy compares.
Your analysis is completely meaningless otherwise, as is your vacuous denigration of the stats.

Has bubble boy cleared out for Adelaide yet

 

[Robroy22]

Collingwood "supporters" must have changed drastically over the years. I can't recall this venom being sprayed at Tuddenham or Thompson when they took on the board for better pay and conditions, or Peter McKenna or Mick McGuane when they left to play for the Blues. I'm pretty sure that people that talked like a few of you do (from the safety of your keyboards)...might have been run out of Victoria Park with their tails between their legs just by the average Pies folk who heard their BS in the crowd.

You're jealous hatred for one of our own COULD be misconstrued as trolling (we used to call it stirring) but I for one wonder what you feel it achieves? You're jealous that BG makes more $$$ than you think he should yet you take it out on the bloke himself (not his manager OR the list manager who framed the deal....THEY made the deal, BG simply agreed to the offer...I know I've done the same...I guess I shouldn't have taken the $$$ on offer for my services at the time)

After years of this same story WE GET IT, you guys don't like BG or his earning capacity. Can you accept that some of us still want to barrack for the bloke and NOT have his name bandied about like he was Judas or something akin?

I'm happy BG plays for the Pies, I like watching Collingwood players who have a go and play for their team mates (which he does). When or if the coaches decide that he needs to retire or be moved on so be it....but until then I'll support him alongside all the other Pies players.

You're not critically analysing the situation, you're into character assassination and you believe you'll win by keeping on battering away. You won't.
He's an elite athlete playing in an elite competition, under the supervision/instruction of professional and elite coaches. And we're (you the haters and we the supporters)....we're nothing more than onlookers.

 

[gouki88]

Has bubble boy cleared out for Adelaide yet

Your sad little fantasy isn't coming true about Grundy. As I'm sure is the case for your innumerable other sad little fantasies

 

[gouki88]

Collingwood "supporters" must have changed drastically over the years. I can't recall this venom being sprayed at Tuddenham or Thompson when they took on the board for better pay and conditions, or Peter McKenna or Mick McGuane when they left to play for the Blues. I'm pretty sure that people that talked like a few of you do (from the safety of your keyboards)...might have been run out of Victoria Park with their tails between their legs just by the average Pies folk who heard their BS in the crowd.

You're jealous hatred for one of our own COULD be misconstrued as trolling (we used to call it stirring) but I for one wonder what you feel it achieves? You're jealous that BG makes more $$$ than you think he should yet you take it out on the bloke himself (not his manager OR the list manager who framed the deal....THEY made the deal, BG simply agreed to the offer...I know I've done the same...I guess I shouldn't have taken the $$$ on offer for my services at the time)

After years of this same story WE GET IT, you guys don't like BG or his earning capacity. Can you accept that some of us still want to barrack for the bloke and NOT have his name bandied about like he was Judas or something akin?

I'm happy BG plays for the Pies, I like watching Collingwood players who have a go and play for their team mates (which he does). When or if the coaches decide that he needs to retire or be moved on so be it....but until then I'll support him alongside all the other Pies players.

You're not critically analysing the situation, you're into character assassination and you believe you'll win by keeping on battering away. You won't.
He's an elite athlete playing in an elite competition, under the supervision/instruction of professional and elite coaches. And we're (you the haters and we the supporters)....we're nothing more than onlookers.

It's pretty disgraceful discourse, but it has become frighteningly normalised.

 

[No SPIN]

Collingwood "supporters" must have changed drastically over the years. I can't recall this venom being sprayed at Tuddenham or Thompson when they took on the board for better pay and conditions, or Peter McKenna or Mick McGuane when they left to play for the Blues. I'm pretty sure that people that talked like a few of you do (from the safety of your keyboards)...might have been run out of Victoria Park with their tails between their legs just by the average Pies folk who heard their BS in the crowd.

You're jealous hatred for one of our own COULD be misconstrued as trolling (we used to call it stirring) but I for one wonder what you feel it achieves? You're jealous that BG makes more $$$ than you think he should yet you take it out on the bloke himself (not his manager OR the list manager who framed the deal....THEY made the deal, BG simply agreed to the offer...I know I've done the same...I guess I shouldn't have taken the $$$ on offer for my services at the time)

After years of this same story WE GET IT, you guys don't like BG or his earning capacity. Can you accept that some of us still want to barrack for the bloke and NOT have his name bandied about like he was Judas or something akin?

I'm happy BG plays for the Pies, I like watching Collingwood players who have a go and play for their team mates (which he does). When or if the coaches decide that he needs to retire or be moved on so be it....but until then I'll support him alongside all the other Pies players.

You're not critically analysing the situation, you're into character assassination and you believe you'll win by keeping on battering away. You won't.
He's an elite athlete playing in an elite competition, under the supervision/instruction of professional and elite coaches. And we're (you the haters and we the supporters)....we're nothing more than onlookers.

Well said mate - and you’re completely correct in pointing out the depth of envy that underlies the character assassination.
These people had no issue with the big contract, at the time Grundy was considered the best player in the game, and lauded the fact we managed to retain him, despite other massive offers.
It is a sad indictment of modern sport that supporters proffer outlandish and perverse opinions on social media, disparaging players from their own team.

Yet these same people are enraged by similar unfairness on social media that is directed to themselves or family.

 

[eddiesmith]

Close. Wrighty shopping him around to an Adelaide club. Hoping to get a box of Balfour’s pies in return

But we'll end up paying him 600,000 a year to play against us as no one else would give him more than 400,000 on his last 3 years.

 

[eddiesmith]

Collingwood "supporters" must have changed drastically over the years. I can't recall this venom being sprayed at Tuddenham or Thompson when they took on the board for better pay and conditions, or Peter McKenna or Mick McGuane when they left to play for the Blues. I'm pretty sure that people that talked like a few of you do (from the safety of your keyboards)...might have been run out of Victoria Park with their tails between their legs just by the average Pies folk who heard their BS in the crowd.

You're jealous hatred for one of our own COULD be misconstrued as trolling (we used to call it stirring) but I for one wonder what you feel it achieves? You're jealous that BG makes more $$$ than you think he should yet you take it out on the bloke himself (not his manager OR the list manager who framed the deal....THEY made the deal, BG simply agreed to the offer...I know I've done the same...I guess I shouldn't have taken the $$$ on offer for my services at the time)

After years of this same story WE GET IT, you guys don't like BG or his earning capacity. Can you accept that some of us still want to barrack for the bloke and NOT have his name bandied about like he was Judas or something akin?

I'm happy BG plays for the Pies, I like watching Collingwood players who have a go and play for their team mates (which he does). When or if the coaches decide that he needs to retire or be moved on so be it....but until then I'll support him alongside all the other Pies players.

You're not critically analysing the situation, you're into character assassination and you believe you'll win by keeping on battering away. You won't.
He's an elite athlete playing in an elite competition, under the supervision/instruction of professional and elite coaches. And we're (you the haters and we the supporters)....we're nothing more than onlookers.

Heaven forbid people on a discussion forum want to discuss issues that affect the club and who could imagine that people actually have differing opinions.

Let's not forget there were some Collingwood fans who actually believed Buckley could coach and would lead us to a premiership, wonder how many of them are the same deluded souls who think Grundy, who doesn't want to win a premiership, will lead us to the promised land...

I'm always amazed by people who seem to want to come on discussion forums in the hope that everyone agrees with them so they can feel better about their opinions. The fact you call any opposing opinion as trolling clearly puts you in that category!

 

[Wearmouth]

Here’s an idea - why don’t you line up all the same stats for the top Ruckmen and see how Grundy compares.
Your analysis is completely meaningless otherwise, as is your vacuous denigration of the stats.

I’ll let you do your own comparative analysis. It’s easy they allow you to compare players in the AFL app.

As I don’t need to, I already know the answer. Especially when you have a damning stat of 0 defensive marks in 5 games this year. Especially when we’ve lost 3 in tight margins. That’s a huge matza ball for any Ruckman to leave out there.

Unless Brodie changes what he does for us. He is superfluous to our needs……


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[No SPIN]

I’ll let you do your own comparative analysis. It’s easy they allow you to compare players in the AFL app.

As I don’t need to, I already know the answer. Especially when you have a damning stat of 0 defensive marks in 5 games this year. Especially when we’ve lost 3 in tight margins. That’s a huge matza ball for any Ruckman to leave out there.

Unless Brodie changes what he does for us. He is superfluous to our needs……


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I’m satisfied with Grundy’s quality, especially when compared to other Ruckmen across the AFL.
You’re the one that needs convincing - which is why I suggested you do the comparison.

 

[Wearmouth]

Collingwood "supporters" must have changed drastically over the years. I can't recall this venom being sprayed at Tuddenham or Thompson when they took on the board for better pay and conditions, or Peter McKenna or Mick McGuane when they left to play for the Blues. I'm pretty sure that people that talked like a few of you do (from the safety of your keyboards)...might have been run out of Victoria Park with their tails between their legs just by the average Pies folk who heard their BS in the crowd.

You're jealous hatred for one of our own COULD be misconstrued as trolling (we used to call it stirring) but I for one wonder what you feel it achieves? You're jealous that BG makes more $$$ than you think he should yet you take it out on the bloke himself (not his manager OR the list manager who framed the deal....THEY made the deal, BG simply agreed to the offer...I know I've done the same...I guess I shouldn't have taken the $$$ on offer for my services at the time)

After years of this same story WE GET IT, you guys don't like BG or his earning capacity. Can you accept that some of us still want to barrack for the bloke and NOT have his name bandied about like he was Judas or something akin?

I'm happy BG plays for the Pies, I like watching Collingwood players who have a go and play for their team mates (which he does). When or if the coaches decide that he needs to retire or be moved on so be it....but until then I'll support him alongside all the other Pies players.

You're not critically analysing the situation, you're into character assassination and you believe you'll win by keeping on battering away. You won't.
He's an elite athlete playing in an elite competition, under the supervision/instruction of professional and elite coaches. And we're (you the haters and we the supporters)....we're nothing more than onlookers.

I suppose you were applauding the recruitment of Gary Shaw for a record $300,000 figure, along with the likes of David Cloke and Geoff Raines. That nearly bankrupted the club, during those halcyon days of the mid to late 80’s.


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[Wearmouth]

I’m satisfied with Grundy’s quality, especially when compared to other Ruckmen across the AFL.
You’re the one that needs convincing - which is why I suggested you do the comparison.

That’s ok I know the answer already.

However, the proof will be in your pudding. Happy eating…..


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[jmac70]

Collingwood "supporters" must have changed drastically over the years. I can't recall this venom being sprayed at Tuddenham or Thompson when they took on the board for better pay and conditions, or Peter McKenna or Mick McGuane when they left to play for the Blues. I'm pretty sure that people that talked like a few of you do (from the safety of your keyboards)...might have been run out of Victoria Park with their tails between their legs just by the average Pies folk who heard their BS in the crowd.

You're jealous hatred for one of our own COULD be misconstrued as trolling (we used to call it stirring) but I for one wonder what you feel it achieves? You're jealous that BG makes more $$$ than you think he should yet you take it out on the bloke himself (not his manager OR the list manager who framed the deal....THEY made the deal, BG simply agreed to the offer...I know I've done the same...I guess I shouldn't have taken the $$$ on offer for my services at the time)

After years of this same story WE GET IT, you guys don't like BG or his earning capacity. Can you accept that some of us still want to barrack for the bloke and NOT have his name bandied about like he was Judas or something akin?

I'm happy BG plays for the Pies, I like watching Collingwood players who have a go and play for their team mates (which he does). When or if the coaches decide that he needs to retire or be moved on so be it....but until then I'll support him alongside all the other Pies players.

You're not critically analysing the situation, you're into character assassination and you believe you'll win by keeping on battering away. You won't.
He's an elite athlete playing in an elite competition, under the supervision/instruction of professional and elite coaches. And we're (you the haters and we the supporters)....we're nothing more than onlookers.

Well said Rob. The thread has been hijacked by a few posters who only have negative things to say.
I thought that type of constant bashing of a player was against the forum rules.

 

[jmac70]

Heaven forbid people on a discussion forum want to discuss issues that affect the club and who could imagine that people actually have differing opinions.

Let's not forget there were some Collingwood fans who actually believed Buckley could coach and would lead us to a premiership, wonder how many of them are the same deluded souls who think Grundy, who doesn't want to win a premiership, will lead us to the promised land...

I'm always amazed by people who seem to want to come on discussion forums in the hope that everyone agrees with them so they can feel better about their opinions. The fact you call any opposing opinion as trolling clearly puts you in that category!

Rob is one of the nicest posters on this forum. For him to fire up shows how poor the Grundy bashing has been.
No one would disagree that Grundy’s current form is down on what he is capable of. The constant references to his contract are pointless as that is not going to change.

 

[JLC]

This is a funny thread, a few posters with a chip on their shoulders!

Grundy is one of the top 3 Ruckman in the game the past 5 years. There are only two other ruckman this year that statistically are competing at the same level as Grundy, English and Gawn.

I wouldn't trade Grundy for either of those two.

You had to say five years as the past two have been no good and this one is heading the same way.

Gawn at the moment is vastly superior - he can actually mark a football, kicking has improved and is a leader. You could argue that Gawns workload is less because he has Jackson as support.

 

[manicpie]

Collingwood "supporters" must have changed drastically over the years. I can't recall this venom being sprayed at Tuddenham or Thompson when they took on the board for better pay and conditions, or Peter McKenna or Mick McGuane when they left to play for the Blues. I'm pretty sure that people that talked like a few of you do (from the safety of your keyboards)...might have been run out of Victoria Park with their tails between their legs just by the average Pies folk who heard their BS in the crowd.

You're jealous hatred for one of our own COULD be misconstrued as trolling (we used to call it stirring) but I for one wonder what you feel it achieves? You're jealous that BG makes more $$$ than you think he should yet you take it out on the bloke himself (not his manager OR the list manager who framed the deal....THEY made the deal, BG simply agreed to the offer...I know I've done the same...I guess I shouldn't have taken the $$$ on offer for my services at the time)

After years of this same story WE GET IT, you guys don't like BG or his earning capacity. Can you accept that some of us still want to barrack for the bloke and NOT have his name bandied about like he was Judas or something akin?

I'm happy BG plays for the Pies, I like watching Collingwood players who have a go and play for their team mates (which he does). When or if the coaches decide that he needs to retire or be moved on so be it....but until then I'll support him alongside all the other Pies players.

You're not critically analysing the situation, you're into character assassination and you believe you'll win by keeping on battering away. You won't.
He's an elite athlete playing in an elite competition, under the supervision/instruction of professional and elite coaches. And we're (you the haters and we the supporters)....we're nothing more than onlookers.

Absolute nonsense. Trying to denegrate the suppoprters who want better performances from their highest paid player, is just to sooth your own agenda. How can we dislike him when he haven't even met him. It's about his lack of output since he signed the ridiculous contract. No wonder our club has a history of failure, it's supporters like you that were always happy with near enough that made us the biggest flops in GF history. Grundy is not worth the 1.2 mill a season we are paying him and as a 50 year supporter I will continue to be displeased with his contract until he he retires

 

[#26]

How many more years left on his contract?

 

[No SPIN]

Absolute nonsense. Trying to denegrate the suppoprters who want better performances from their highest paid player, is just to sooth your own agenda. How can we dislike him when he haven't even met him. It's about his lack of output since he signed the ridiculous contract. No wonder our club has a history of failure, it's supporters like you that were always happy with near enough that made us the biggest flops in GF history. Grundy is not worth the 1.2 mill a season we are paying him and as a 50 year supporter I will continue to be displeased with his contract until he he retires

I think you’ve missed the point.
No one is saying that Grundy is beyond criticism.

But the abuse, disparagement and irrational outrage is completely unnecessary.

 

[manicpie]

How many more years left on his contract?

6

 

[#26]

6

So this year and five more?

 

[manicpie]

I think you’ve missed the point.
No one is saying that Grundy is beyond criticism.

But the abuse, disparagement and irrational outrage is completely unnecessary.

I didn't miss the point I responded to. I don't attack Grundy the person, I only attack his output. If you want to justify his output v Dollars, then that's your choice but the majority want much better performances from Grundy, not useless stats that don't give a true picture of his performances. As I said, Madgen goes at 90% DE, but no one is bringing up his stats to say he's a great player

 

[No SPIN]

I didn't miss the point I responded to. I don't attack Grundy the person, I only attack his output. If you want to justify his output v Dollars, then that's your choice but the majority want much better performances from Grundy, not useless stats that don't give a true picture of his performances. As I said, Madgen goes at 90% DE, but no one is bringing up his stats to say he's a great player

The stat for Madgen is accurate- that other parts of his game are problematic doesn’t change the stat.

The post was primarily condemning the personal abuse Grundy cops - and was therefore entirely reasonable.

 

[The Plowking]

Effective output doesn't even remotely match his pay packet.
I don't hate the guy, but just not anywhere near someone like Gawn currently.

 

[Bianconeri]

Effective output doesn't even remotely match his pay packet.
I don't hate the guy, but just not anywhere near someone like Gawn currently.

Looks like we’ll have to specify that from now on

 

[Bianconeri]

I don't remember many folks that were sad to see him go.

He never delivered when het got senior games.

The last game I remember him playing for us was a round 1 game against the Swans (in 2015 I think?) and Kurt Tippet manhandled him in the ruck all night.

He injured his hand that night to be fair. He did come in against Melbourne later in the year when Bucks decided to go with three rucks. His form in the VFL was really good that year and a many were upset were got SFA for a players who obviously was AFL quality. Allot even claimed Grundy only got his because Witts got injured.