Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

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Yeah sure. 3 goals and not much else is ok and passable for a 2nd ruck on $350k a year. Melbourne are not paying him $350k a year.

Simple fact is Grundy was moved on because he was over paid for a ruckman no matter how good his best footy was. And if his performance today is his benchmark this year, then Melbourne are still over paying him.

I agree with us he was overpaid. Melbourne are paying less than his market worth at the moment though.

3 goals for a ruck on $350k? if Cameron kicked 3 goals in a game playing ruck we’d be over the moon.

The Grundy discussion has been mired forever in black and white thinking - and not of the good kind. Black/white … good/bad …. This is what psychotherapists call splitting and it’s also known as cognitive distortion. I.e., people are in fantasy land.

we should just try to be balanced. Grundy and Gawn looked like a powerful setup. Grundy played well and kicked 3 goals which is as good as a ruck can do. He also didn’t dominate otherwise so he wasn’t devastating. Just a good game all round. Better then either of our rucks in our practice match but we knew he was a better player then them anyway, so no surprises. We got McStay and Mitchell who together we figure will be better for the team. Time will tell.
 
We should've done that for JDG last year if we wanted cap relief. Would've got a high first rounder from Saints (Phillipou?) and kept Grundy and gotten Mitchell to replace JDG in the short term whilst Phillipou developed.

Instead we sign an inconsistent JDG to same amount of remaining years as Grundy on big money whilst getting peanuts in trade return by pushing him out.
JDG is our best midfielder. You need to spend money on these guys. Still, his contract was 20% less than what Grundy signed for. And that’s on a higher cap level. So as a % of cap, JDG is much cheaper.
 
I agree with us he was overpaid. Melbourne are paying less than his market worth at the moment though.

3 goals for a ruck on $350k? if Cameron kicked 3 goals in a game playing ruck we’d be over the moon.

The Grundy discussion has been mired forever in black and white thinking - and not of the good kind. Black/white … good/bad …. This is what psychotherapists call splitting and it’s also known as cognitive distortion. I.e., people are in fantasy land.

we should just try to be balanced. Grundy and Gawn looked like a powerful setup. Grundy played well and kicked 3 goals which is as good as a ruck can do. He also didn’t dominate otherwise so he wasn’t devastating. Just a good game all round. Better then either of our rucks in our practice match but we knew he was a better player then them anyway, so no surprises. We got McStay and Mitchell who together we figure will be better for the team. Time will tell.
I wonder if Darcy Cameron was playing forward for Melbourne yesterday rather than Grundy, how many goals would he have kicked? Probably 3….
 

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Every single season people draw premature conclusions from footy played in Feb/March. Can we stop this silly tradition?
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3 goals for a ruck on $350k? if Cameron kicked 3 goals in a game playing ruck we’d be over the moon.
And Grundy is getting paid close to double that by Melbourne. We were paying him $1 million a year, that is why he is gone. No ruckman I have seen play is worth that much. At $700k a year Melbourne would be hoping for a bit more than what he delivered yesterday on that investment.

No doubt he is a great asset in the ruck. I just think your wasting his talent and value playing him forward for 50% of the time. The same goes for Gawn. I'm just not sure what value they get out the pair in this situation.
 
I agree with us he was overpaid. Melbourne are paying less than his market worth at the moment though.

3 goals for a ruck on $350k? if Cameron kicked 3 goals in a game playing ruck we’d be over the moon.

The Grundy discussion has been mired forever in black and white thinking - and not of the good kind. Black/white … good/bad …. This is what psychotherapists call splitting and it’s also known as cognitive distortion. I.e., people are in fantasy land.

we should just try to be balanced. Grundy and Gawn looked like a powerful setup. Grundy played well and kicked 3 goals which is as good as a ruck can do. He also didn’t dominate otherwise so he wasn’t devastating. Just a good game all round. Better then either of our rucks in our practice match but we knew he was a better player then them anyway, so no surprises. We got McStay and Mitchell who together we figure will be better for the team. Time will tell.

Melbourne are still paying a huge chunk of Grundys salary. They had been making room to retain Jackson anyway so have diverted that and a bit more to Grundy instead. My understanding is collingwoods subsidy is realtively small… around the 100-150 mark… and Grundy himself took a 50-100 cut out of goodwill for his new club and to make the trade actually work.
 
Melbourne are still paying a huge chunk of Grundys salary. They had been making room to retain Jackson anyway so have diverted that and a bit more to Grundy instead. My understanding is collingwoods subsidy is realtively small… around the 100-150 mark… and Grundy himself took a 50-100 cut out of goodwill for his new club and to make the trade actually work.
After Treloar and Grundy would any father or manager be directing a key player, such as a gun CHF, towards Collingwood?
 
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I wonder if Darcy Cameron was playing forward for Melbourne yesterday rather than Grundy, how many goals would he have kicked? Probably 3….

He played forward for us in our practice match. And he kicked what, one? I think it's silly to compare the two. Grundy is a 2-time AA. Let's not set Cameron up for failure. He's a solid B grade player, which may be all we need.
 

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Melbourne are still paying a huge chunk of Grundys salary. They had been making room to retain Jackson anyway so have diverted that and a bit more to Grundy instead. My understanding is collingwoods subsidy is realtively small… around the 100-150 mark… and Grundy himself took a 50-100 cut out of goodwill for his new club and to make the trade actually work.
Well said Timmy
Hence pick 27 to clear the decks of our $$$ issues
Good luck Brodie - hope you’re fantastic for Melb - I don’t blame you or this administration. 2015-2021 have a lot to answer for
 
After Treloar and Grundy would any father or manager be directing a key player, such as a gun CHF, towards Collingwood?

New management. After last season, who wouldn’t want to buy in to that process?
 
Melbourne are still paying a huge chunk of Grundys salary. They had been making room to retain Jackson anyway so have diverted that and a bit more to Grundy instead. My understanding is collingwoods subsidy is realtively small… around the 100-150 mark… and Grundy himself took a 50-100 cut out of goodwill for his new club and to make the trade actually work.

I was wondering whether you made that up Timmy, or did someone else make it up and tell it to you? Not that I'm saying that it isnt a good guess.
 
Melbourne are still paying a huge chunk of Grundys salary. They had been making room to retain Jackson anyway so have diverted that and a bit more to Grundy instead. My understanding is collingwoods subsidy is realtively small… around the 100-150 mark… and Grundy himself took a 50-100 cut out of goodwill for his new club and to make the trade actually work.

There was a story in one of the papers suggesting we’re paying way more than many of us assumed.
 
Not according to some of the stories doing the rounds earlier this year.

The assumption was we were poorly compensated in the trade because they were taking a significant portion of his contract. Not so apparently. We just got shafted.
It was also that we’re paying a significant amount of the balance in ‘23. A lot conversations around Mitchell and McStay talk about one of wages being roughly what we’re not paying Grundy.

Wages vs trade value strengthens the argument for wages being public.
 
Melbourne are still paying a huge chunk of Grundys salary. They had been making room to retain Jackson anyway so have diverted that and a bit more to Grundy instead. My understanding is collingwoods subsidy is realtively small… around the 100-150 mark… and Grundy himself took a 50-100 cut out of goodwill for his new club and to make the trade actually work.
I think your spot on. I was told by a player manager not in the deal that the original Grundy deal was $150k x 5 years the Pies had to pay based on any pick above a first round. I got told that very late on trade deadline Melbourne asked Collingwood after the deal was done if they’d pay most of this $750k upfront for a discount to $600k. The reason for this was they came late for Hunter and didn’t have the funds in 2023 TPP to get him.
Pies then had to delay Mitchell deal till they negotiated the Hawks payment to pies for him. This included the Henry 3 way deal.
The Cats gave the Hawks Cooper Stevens as the sweetener pies lost Henry and 2 x 3rd rounders with the Pies picking up Mitchell plus pick 25 and apparently $325k in Mitchell salary paid by the Hawks in his 2023 salary.
Pies did 3 yr Mitchell deal smoothing over his contract that allowed them to satisfy the Dees request.
Dees get Hunter for a future 3rd ( a steal ) but have to pay his current contract.
Pies apparently pay $600k in Grundys first year contract only.
 
People knocking Gawn and Grundy playing fwd need to think again. 6 out of 9 goals between them and only half time.
Who cares if it’s a practice match that excuse is bunkum.
Coaches experiment in these games and it’s working.



This is known as premature evaluation…..

No intensity.

No real application to defense.

And don’t get me started on the umpiring allowing 4 of their marks to stand with direct hands in the back.

Let’s see if they can repeat it for premiership points.


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And we haven't gone early on McStay based on the 2 goals he kicked against Hawthorn in a practice match to validate his FA recruitment?

It's ok to acknowledge that McStay does look better than expected so far for us and that Melb got a steal with Grundy and the Grundy/Gawn combo will be tough to match with our Cameron/Cox combo.

This is where people who don’t understand what McStay brings for our forward line structure. Make comments about the validity of sending a resting ruck to the forward line as an equitable comparison.

Firstly with McStay there for us it splits the tall defenders they can’t just sit around Mihochek and intercept the incoming kicks. That spreads the defense to areas that they may all can’t be defended. Thus making us more dangerous.

Putting a Ruckman into the forward 50 is not something new for any team. The Dreamons have done this last year with Gawn/Jackson. Teams know they will do this. And will set up accordingly for it.

I hope they think Soy Boy can do this. Let’s hope they are that stupid.


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Oppo Camp Brodie Grundy (Traded to Melbourne 2022)

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