Bye Bye Nobles

[kool kangas]

Your statement was judge Noble when we have no injuries. It’s a stupid statement in a contact, fast paced sport in which all clubs most weeks have multiple players on an injury list.

By your totally not flawed logic no coach could ever be judged. Therefore Wayne Schimelbusch (no idea how to spell it) would still be our coach and Graham Cornes would still be coaching the Crows.

Your club is Richmond and you are using a word "our" . l think you need to see which club you support...

 

[Gasometer]

It’s interesting visiting this thread after a few days of sanity away

Things will get better with a full list, with Cunnington, with Voss, without Turner, with Turner, and my fave, that blokes were trying preseason but not now when we are in the middle of the season.

 

[Psicosis]

You are such a simpleton.

Thanks.

I didn’t think I’d have to remind anyone of how unsuccessful a coach Michael Voss was at Brisbane with a poor list (arguably not as bad as ours).

Having now inherited a Carlton list that is stacked with early picks with 100 games of development into them, you think he would be the answer to coach us through the rebuild years? Gee wiz.

Not to mention he flat out refused to be involved in our process as he wanted to coach a “big club”.

You’d have to be a simpleton to neglect such facts.

 

[chairo]

One of the very few times I hope GWS absolutely belt the crap out of us to expose this fraud even more.

You want to loose? Good grief.

 

[Gasometer]

You want to loose? Good grief.

Lose

 

[chairo]

Lose

Soo sorry

 

[New_Roo]

Thanks.

I didn’t think I’d have to remind anyone of how unsuccessful a coach Michael Voss was at Brisbane with a poor list (arguably not as bad as ours).

Having now inherited a Carlton list that is stacked with early picks with 100 games of development into them, you think he would be the answer to coach us through the rebuild years? Gee wiz.

Not to mention he flat out refused to be involved in our process as he wanted to coach a “big club”.

You’d have to be a simpleton to neglect such facts.

And let's add what 5-6, 700-800k trades in the past 3 or so years with saad Williams Martin McGovern cerra and then also Newman Hewitt on a little less.... all combined he has a lot to play with....


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[DesertRoo]

duck I wish we had gotten Voss.

Voss said NO to being interviewed, he didn’t want the job.
Contrary to popular opinion we don’t have many options until we sort out off field.

 

[Gasometer]

Does John Blakey even speak?

 

[Bugsy Malone]

Does John Blakey even speak?

I listened to him before the Dockers game on SEN, standard answers about a developing team.

 

[Mixed Results]

Thanks.

I didn’t think I’d have to remind anyone of how unsuccessful a coach Michael Voss was at Brisbane with a poor list (arguably not as bad as ours).

Having now inherited a Carlton list that is stacked with early picks with 100 games of development into them, you think he would be the answer to coach us through the rebuild years? Gee wiz.

Not to mention he flat out refused to be involved in our process as he wanted to coach a “big club”.

You’d have to be a simpleton to neglect such facts.

Voss was unsuccessful but averaged 8.7 wins per year at Brisbane.

At the rate Noble is going he'd need three years to get to 9 wins.

 

[Only Forwards]

Voss was unsuccessful but averaged 8.7 wins per year at Brisbane.

At the rate Noble is going he'd need three years to get to 9 wins.

Voss f***ed their list with the rough end of a pineapple.

Then spent 9 years as an assistant in various guises to actually learn how to coach.

I doubt Noble is the long term answer with us.

But I am not sure why we are comparing him to a guy who NEVER EVEN WANTED TO COME TO US.

 

[DesertRoo]

Voss f***ed their list with the rough end of a pineapple.

Then spent 9 years as an assistant in various guises to actually learn how to coach.

I doubt Noble is the long term answer with us.

But I am not sure why we are comparing him to a guy who NEVER EVEN WANTED TO COME TO US.

I know what we can do throw money at him from our non existent soft cap, that’ll get him across. .

 

[WesternRoo]

Voss has taken over a well developed, but previously underperforming list with elite talent throughout.

Apart from Cunnington, an ageing Goldy and a bunch of "potential" we do not have this.

 

[shinboner magic]

****en hell - 25 pages in a week

With the bye coming up next week - if we cop another flogging nobles has to be gone

 

[Ligma]

Voss has taken over a well developed, but previously underperforming list with elite talent throughout.

Apart from Cunnington, an ageing Goldy and a bunch of "potential" we do not have this.

Carlton were always gonna click, it was just a matter of time

 

[Ligma]

Soo sorry

We have all made that mistake

 

[DrZaius]

Not for 800k and It’s debatable that he would be handy considering he can’t get a kick in Melbournes team now that he is needed to be the main man because of injuries.
As for him being our only forward in the years he kicked 60+ you seem to be forgetting Jarred Waite who was being double teamed.
When all is said and done my opinion of him is not through the eyes of a jilted supporter I have never considered him to be anything other than a ok player that was completely out of his depth when expected to take on the job and was completely non pluses to see him go. I’m on record saying that he wasn’t up to being number 1 forward and that Scott should have been playing him more as a roaming forward pretty much like Melbourne does.
Anyway sorry to bang on but I just don’t get the romance when it comes to BB.

Ok fair enough if that's your opinion but Waite played just 10 games in 2017, 13 games in 2018 and wasn't even there in 2019 so you are attempting to re-write history a bit here.

With the benefit of hindsight 800k would have been too much for BBB, but at the beginning of 2020 it was probably about fair value for someone who podium finished in the coleman 3 years in a row (and would have been expected to continue that kind of form obviously).

Regardless of if you never rated him he did kick a lot of goals for us as the number 1 forward that is an objective fact, as a matter of fact over that 3 year period he kicked the most goals in the AFL full stop. 21 goals more than the next best if my maths are correct (and that tally includes goals kicked in finals by other players), so if that is what you would classify as an ok player who is out of their depth then I would really like to know metric you are using to rate KPF's if kicking goals aren't important?

Again I find it just bizarre how quick and eager many on here were to turn around and go "yeah he was always a shit forward anyway" the second he was out the door when realistically I'm not sure how much more he could've done for us on-field in his time as a NMFC player.

 

[Kanga Glory]

The dropping of Thomas is the most defining moment of Noble’s coaching career. It can wake up the group and they all start to pull the line and realise they need to bring 100% all the time or lose the group and spell the end for Noble.
I hope it’s the statement needed for Noble to get the players to understand the standards need to be 100%

 

[ferball]

I’m not saying there is one single issue. For example the biggest issue at the club for about 20 years is the lack of attention when it comes to drafting and developing players with above average, reliable foot skills. This spans four coaches in a modern game in which the need to mix ball winning contested players with high class skilled mids and half backs with reliable foot skills has been absolutely shockingly lost on the club. The reason we remained competitive for so long (along with solid to good to very good key position players) was that our midfield inside players were excellent. And we had Harvey who is ridiculously underrated (non north fans) in regards to his absolutely elite work by foot.

In terms of Noble he’s not the only problem but we are entering uncharted territory in terms of results (in many parts we’re already there) and whole I think that with any coach (without Ben Cunnington) we are a bottom four side we are nowhere near as bad as what we have served up. I mentioned before and have specified on enough occasions but the same tactical and structural mistakes keep being made and the lack of accountability for senior players like Turner is very disappointing.

I don't necessarily agree with this 100% but appreciate the comment.

 

[ferball]

Soo sorry

Its soory not sorry.

 

[ferball]

Ok fair enough if that's your opinion but Waite played just 10 games in 2017, 13 games in 2018 and wasn't even there in 2019 so you are attempting to re-write history a bit here.

With the benefit of hindsight 800k would have been too much for BBB, but at the beginning of 2020 it was probably about fair value for someone who podium finished in the coleman 3 years in a row (and would have been expected to continue that kind of form obviously).

Regardless of if you never rated him he did kick a lot of goals for us as the number 1 forward that is an objective fact, as a matter of fact over that 3 year period he kicked the most goals in the AFL full stop. 21 goals more than the next best if my maths are correct (and that tally includes goals kicked in finals by other players), so if that is what you would classify as an ok player who is out of their depth then I would really like to know metric you are using to rate KPF's if kicking goals aren't important?

Again I find it just bizarre how quick and eager many on here were to turn around and go "yeah he was always a shit forward anyway" the second he was out the door when realistically I'm not sure how much more he could've done for us on-field in his time as a NMFC player.

He was an excellent forward until he wasn't.

I said all sorts of crap about how we needed two firsts and he was a gun that we needed to keep etc etc at the time.

I have to say hindsight has proved me wrong. I hope he comes good again tho cos I liked him as a player. He turned and won games for us off his own boot.

 

[Mixed Results]

Voss has taken over a well developed, but previously underperforming list with elite talent throughout.

Apart from Cunnington, an ageing Goldy and a bunch of "potential" we do not have this.

We’re not asking for somebody to come in and take us into the top four.

We just need somebody capable of stemming the bleeding after being outscored by 600 points over the last 10 weeks.

 

[F_therest]

Ok fair enough if that's your opinion but Waite played just 10 games in 2017, 1
3 games in 2018 and wasn't even there in 2019 so you are attempting to re-write history a bit here.

With the benefit of hindsight 800k would have been too much for BBB, but at the beginning of 2020 it was probably about fair value for someone who podium finished in the coleman 3 years in a row (and would have been expected to continue that kind of form obviously).

Regardless of if you never rated him he did kick a lot of goals for us as the number 1 forward that is an objective fact, as a matter of fact over that 3 year period he kicked the most goals in the AFL full stop. 21 goals more than the next best if my maths are correct (and that tally includes goals kicked in finals by other players), so if that is what you would classify as an ok player who is out of their depth then I would really like to know metric you are using to rate KPF's if kicking goals aren't important?

Again I find it just bizarre how quick and eager many on here were to turn around and go "yeah he was always a shit forward anyway" the second he was out the door when realistically I'm not sure how much more he could've done for us on-field in his time as a NMFC player.

Doing it while spending some time rucking as well whereas others play forward full time.

 

[Mav]

Thanks.

I didn’t think I’d have to remind anyone of how unsuccessful a coach Michael Voss was at Brisbane with a poor list (arguably not as bad as ours).

Having now inherited a Carlton list that is stacked with early picks with 100 games of development into them, you think he would be the answer to coach us through the rebuild years? Gee wiz.

Not to mention he flat out refused to be involved in our process as he wanted to coach a “big club”.

You’d have to be a simpleton to neglect such facts.

Cunnington was a such a shit player when he first started. Don't know why we still have him on our list. That's you're argument.

I didn't neglect anything. I just said I wish we had got him, knowing full well that we weren't in a position to get him. But hes a bloody good coach and would have been great for us, if Scott, Joyce and Buckley et al hadn't left our club so ****ed.