Bye Bye Nobles

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

One of the very few times I hope GWS absolutely belt the crap out of us to expose this fraud even more.

The media has overblown his behaviour - apparently he is a top fella and very supportive. (too nice if anything)

Problem is whether he can actually coach.

It would seem no, "but lets see this weekend first" (exact quote).

 

[Ashley B]

To all my fellow North addicts may I hope you all have a joyous Sunday afternoon watching us play. Crack a few jokes have a free pie and just enjoy the game win lose or draw . It is better than not having a team at all. The good times will return eventually. Go The Mighty Roos

 

[1975]

He became the 'main man' in 2017 though.

I'm not sure why so many on this board have such a hate boner for BBB when at the start of 2020 he was coming off 3x 60+ goal seasons in a pretty average/bad team... Why wouldn't you try and get the best possible deal for yourself at that point when the 2020 season hadn't happened yet?
His manager wanted an extra year and we wouldn't give it to him because we thought his knee was cooked, it had little to do with the $ amount as far as I'm aware.

I tell you what though he'd be pretty handy right now freeing up Larkey from being double teamed every week. Still managed 25 goals from 13 games last year too which is more than serviceable.

Not for 800k and It’s debatable that he would be handy considering he can’t get a kick in Melbournes team now that he is needed to be the main man because of injuries.
As for him being our only forward in the years he kicked 60+ you seem to be forgetting Jarred Waite who was being double teamed.
When all is said and done my opinion of him is not through the eyes of a jilted supporter I have never considered him to be anything other than a ok player that was completely out of his depth when expected to take on the job and was completely non pluses to see him go. I’m on record saying that he wasn’t up to being number 1 forward and that Scott should have been playing him more as a roaming forward pretty much like Melbourne does.
Anyway sorry to bang on but I just don’t get the romance when it comes to BB.

 

[Roosurgence]

My understanding (yes I get info) is if it's over 10 goals or we get hammered by inside 50s he is gone.

That may or may not surprise people, but I don't lie.

Noble is gone if we get humiliated (again)

Might be one of the very few times that I can actually stand for us to be humiliated if that is the outcome.

Short term pain for the long term gain.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Might be one of the very few times that I can actually stand for us to be humiliated if that is the outcome.

Short term pain for the long term gain.

People think I have no idea as I enjoy a laugh, but I have more idea than some suspect.

Yes this game is massive for Noble.

I personally hope we win and turn thing around but I also understand why you'd think that way also if we are humiliated again.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

He’ll be judged in hindsight as a complete disaster.

After Sunday he’ll be sitting at 5-1-29 riding an 11 match losing streak.

 

[Mixed Results]

Again if both players have cracked the sulks then it’s perfectly fine to drop them. It’s just as much about effort as it is form

I won't say that both players have been putting in their best efforts all year, but in a way, this is David Noble's equivalent to Jared Polec tagging Patrick Cripps.

Jaidyn Stephenson isn't in the side to consistently apply defensive pressure, but he is invaluable to sides that are interested in more than limiting their losing margin. In other words, both players don't fit into Noble's style that sees us go inside less than 10 times per quarter. Both were flying when we were playing more attacking footy towards the end of last year.

 

[Tas]

Best 18 2020:

FB: Williams Tarrant Walker
HB: Atley McKay McDonald
C: Dumont Simpkin Anderson
HF: Ziebell Larkey Hall
FF: Turner Brown Scott
Fol: Goldstein Cunnington Higgins

B&F: McDonald(183) Simpkin(140) Anderson(138) Goldstein(131) Dumont(128) Tarrant(93) Walker(92) Higgins(88) McKay(75) Zurhaar(70)
Notes: Max 17 games, Cunners only played 3 games, Daw 4, EVW 6, Ahern 6, Williams 8, Ziebell 8, Wood 8, Macmillan 10, Brown 9

Out: Ahern, Brown, Crocker, Daw, Durdin, Higgins, Hosie, Pittard, Vickers-Willis, Williams & Wood
In: Corr, Atu, Stephenson, Young
Draft: Phillips, Powell, Lazzaro, Spicer, Ford, P.Walker, Menadue

Best 18 2021:
FB: Turner McKay Hall
HB: Atley Walker/Tarrant Ziebell
C: Dumont/McDonald Simpkin Thomas
HF: Stephenson Zurhaar Scott
FF: Taylor Larkey Mahony/lots of players
Fol: Goldstein Cunnington LDU

B&F: Simpkin(143) Cunnington(117) Ziebell(114) Hall(114) LDU(109) McKay(106) Zurhaar(95) Thomas(95) Turner(92) Larkey(90)
Notes: Max back to 22, Corr played 2, Polec 5, Anderson 7, Tarrant 10, McDonald 11, Dumont 14

Out: Atley, Campbell, Dumont, Garner, Ham, Menadue, Tarrant, Tyson, W.Walker
In: Coleman-Jones, Greenwood
Draft: Horne-Francis, Goater, Curtis, Bergman & Archer

Team we are trying to win with 2022:
FB: Turner Walker Young
HB: Hayden Corr McDonald
C: Perez LDU Scott
HF: JHF Ziebell Taylor
FF: Mahony Larkey Curtis
Fol: Goldstein Simpkin Greenwood

Played 12 games, Cunners hasn't played, Mckay has played 7 and half of those he has come off hurt early, Hall has played 5, Stephenson 7, Polec 2, Anderson 5, Phillips still down.

B&F 2020:
McDonald(183) Not playing same role, moved out of defense 2021, back now but form shot.
Simpkin(140) trying to do the heavy lifting still
Anderson(138) Not playing same role, Played only 7 games 2021 and 5 so far 2022
Goldstein(131) Not playing same role, Has played a lot more forward to give Xerri a chance to ruck
Dumont(128) gone
Tarrant(93) gone
Walker(92) Not playing same role, moved from 3rd string to 1st/2nd, getting murdered regularly but trying
Higgins(88) gone
McKay(75) has been poleaxed this year
Zurhaar(70) form is shot, supply has dried up.

B&F 2021
Simpkin(143) see 2020
Cunnington(117) hasn't played
Ziebell(114) not playing same role, moved forward again.
Hall(114) been injured
LDU(109) been up and down
McKay(106) see 2020
Zurhaar(95) see 2020
Thomas(95) form shot
Turner(92) form shot
Larkey(90) averaged 1.9 goals a game last year, is averaging 1.8 this year despite decline in supply and quality

A few players have had form decline, a few have been injured but a lot of the carnage has been self-inflicted between a combination of getting rid of too many senior players, structure compromised, moving players out of roles they were playing well. It has been a bit of a perfect storm.

Not a whole lot has improved for the better sadly, we need the players to band around and knuckle through things for each other otherwise it is going to be a very negative atmosphere.

 

[Le Grille]

I won't say that both players have been putting in their best efforts all year, but in a way, this is David Noble's equivalent to Jared Polec tagging Patrick Cripps.

Jaidyn Stephenson isn't in the side to consistently apply defensive pressure, but he is invaluable to sides that are interested in more than limiting their losing margin. In other words, both players don't fit into Noble's style that sees us go inside less than 10 times per quarter. Both were flying when we were playing more attacking footy towards the end of last year.

Jaidyn is in the side to provide run and carry, he wasn’t doing that I can cop him not being a contested beast but if he’s not putting in, he will be first in the gun at any club

 

[apollo_creed]

Again if both players have cracked the sulks then it’s perfectly fine to drop them. It’s just as much about effort as it is form

A player with three possessions and zero tackles? If he is trying then **** me.

 

[Samsquanch]

Hi, hope you don't mind me replying to this specifically, I certainly don't intend buying into the wider Noble discussion.

Cooney himself has stated that he was almost signed, sealed and delivered to North, having met Joyce(?) and Scott, and verbally agreed to terms, so your ITK poster was likely very much correct at that point in time. But sounds like it moved pretty quickly around that time, as we sacked McCartney as coach, and Cooney then met the Bomberos as well before fully committing to North.

So you're right, good sources are still good sources, even if what they reveal does not eventuate.

Anyway, all the best, hope your team turns it around soon on-field.

Edit: I knew I'd find it straight after I posted - a bit of context from Cooney himself:

How Adam Cooney’s Essendon Bombers trade became a reality

Adam Cooney discusses how his trade to Essendon occurred.

www.sen.com.au

Thank goodness!

Well, it seems * were good for something.

 

[blackshadow]

You have already spent more time critiquing my terminologies than you have on the team. More interested on your thoughts on the selections. Able to bring yourself to criticise yet or just blindly agreeing with every decision the club is making?

You didn't answer my question... WTF is a happy clapper?

I'm glad Powell stayed in. I didn't get my panties in a bunch because he wasn't named in the starting 18.

 

[Samsquanch]

One of Noble's biggest failures (hard to pass 10 straight losses with an average margin of 60+ points) is his treatment of Stephenson and Thomas.

Our two most dangerous attacking midfielders, and Noble has them both struggling to find space and make an impact. After regressing in a gameplan that aims only to limit scores conceded and flood the ball, fans would rather believe they are both soft and lazy than they are being held back by a coach with no idea on how to move the ball forward and kick a winning score.

If David wants us to give him the benefit of the doubt and think that he is actually a tremendous coach with a poor playing list, then he needs to start maximising the talent that he has.

It's too convenient that players like Simpkin, Thomas, Stephenson, McDonald, Greenwood, Powell, Ziebell, Larkey, and Lazzaro are just having a bad year. Eventually, people need to point the finger at Noble.

An outsider might think that the plan is to not win.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

He’ll be judged in hindsight as a complete disaster.

After Sunday he’ll be sitting at 5-1-29 riding an 11 match losing streak.

Correct.

It's not the losses, it's how we are losing which is the bigger concern for him to keep his job.

 

[Le Grille]

A player with three possessions and zero tackles? If he is trying then duck me.

Again check out the season avg 14d for TT vs 10 for KT, at anyrate it seems like it’s more than just form

 

[Le Grille]

A player with three possessions and zero tackles? If he is trying then duck me.

I’m not saying he’s a great coach mind you but I don’t think you’re point is the reason though

 

[apollo_creed]

You didn't answer my question... WTF is a happy clapper?

I'm glad Powell stayed in. I didn't get my panties in a bunch because he wasn't named in the starting 18.

Notice how you said that after the team was announced so as to not risk criticising the coach before he has made a decision.

And Tom Powell.. the man being played 70% gametime on the wing. Lucky our midfield is dominating and not turning the ball over with regularity.

And I’m sure you’ve heard of Google.
It’s a search engine that amongst its many uses provides answers to questions.

 

[apollo_creed]

Again check out the season avg 14d for TT vs 10 for KT, at anyrate it seems like it’s more than just form

Sure but one of them is one of our best ball users. One is a certified butcher with no in game awareness/football smarts.

14 from TT is worth more than 14.
10 from KT is worth less than 10.

 

[Le Grille]

Sure but one of them is one of our best ball users. One is a certified butcher with no in game awareness/football smarts.

14 from TT is worth more than 14.
10 from KT is worth less than 10.

I’m not pro Turner by any stretch but if you have one guy not meeting standards as McPherson has noted at 14 but one guy giving 100% and getting 10 the difference isn’t that much, if dropping TT gets it all to click again and have him playing like he can then I think it’s the right call.

 

[blackshadow]

Notice how you said that after the team was announced so as to not risk criticising the coach before he has made a decision.

And Tom Powell.. the man being played 70% gametime on the wing. Lucky our midfield is dominating and not turning the ball over with regularity.

And I’m sure you’ve heard of Google.
It’s a search engine that amongst its many uses provides answers to questions.

I'm not going to argue with a simpleton.

 

[Psicosis]

I’m not pro Turner by any stretch but if you have one guy not meeting standards as McPherson has noted at 14 but one guy giving 100% and getting 10 the difference isn’t that much, if dropping TT gets it all to click again and have him playing like he can then I think it’s the right call.

Turner is irrelevant long term. Him bringing effort with inability is a short term problem.

Tarryn having attitude issues & not reaching his potential is a far bigger issue that needs to be addressed for the future of our footy club.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

A player with three possessions and zero tackles? If he is trying then duck me.

To be fair Apollo, I think Turner is trying.

He is just a completely horrible footballer.

It's not his fault he is selected.

 

[kool kangas]

l have decided to not have a view regarding Nobles performances until we can have a full team playing for the whole game.

 

[Le Grille]

Turn it up.

You support Turner who couldn't pick up in a brothel.

Yet bag a young gun who broke his ribs for our footy club and is a massive talent.

I think as talented as he is he’s droppable if he’s not putting in.

The “needs to win back trust” comment from McPherson suggests something pretty unprofessional went down.

I think there’s a reason for this.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

I think as talented as he is he’s droppable if he’s not putting in.

The “needs to win back trust” comment from McPherson suggests something pretty unprofessional went down.

I think there’s a reason for this.

If any our players don't "put in" then of course.

I want to win and I don't care who plays.

Hence Stephenson dropped as his effort is utterly disgraceful (yet his best what we need hugely)