Preview Changes for Finals Round 1 vs North

[Coaster2012]

What is the likelihood of Strijk being a late out, if he's not injured? Since Brown is the only out announced, is it highly possible that's the only out we will see?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Pretty likely to miss the final cut this afternoon along with Dalziell and one of Lynch or Hams, I'd say.

 

[West123]

Never thought I'd be so happy to see Out: Brown In: Mackenzie.

 

[Agent93]

Needs more Lynch.

 

[Goldfish]

Lynch and Mackenzie in
Strijk and Brown out

Patrick Keane‏@AFL_PKeane
Final Sun teams http://afl.to/dJGX8DWC WC/NM;Int; Brennan, Butler, Masten, Lynch.Em; Strijk, Dalziell, Hams. Lynch, Mackenzie 4 Brown, Strijk

 

[Wettoast11]

Adam Selwood on Harvey? Crap.

 

[nameless]

Lynch potential sub? or will we stick to a running player - brennan?

 

[the big lebowski]

Adam Selwood on Harvey? Crap.

Id be more worried about Wells.

 

[Mancey]

Sensible changes. Couldn't see what Strijk offered over Lynch

 

[Agent93]

Lynch! Yes! I was worried but...

Not any more!

 

[nameless]

Harvey is the biggest danger, don't worry about Wells, Swallow, Petrie etc (who are all very good), Harvey is an experienced finalist a game changer and the type of player who always gets on top of us.

Stop Harvey and the others will fold...somewhat.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

One thing about Lynch - is the guy is bloody fit!

He may not be overly quick - but you can count on him to lead up time and time again.

In rd 1 2011 when we got north by 4 points - cox had gone down cramping early in the last - and lynch getting himself to every contest on the wing and thumping it over the boundary was a big part of us winning that game.

 

[fryzie]

Id be more worried about Wells.

+1. Also Atley. Suffice to say they have a lot of running players that are good users of the ball and will need to be shut down to varying extents. We need to capitalise on our biggest advantage in the ruck and Goldstein's poor form by dominating the hitouts and clearances, if we allow North to get their run and spread happy handballing style get them on the board strongly early in the game we will be chasing them all day. Can't afford a slow start in finals intensity and cross our fingers in hope that they will fade because of the heat.

 

[the big lebowski]

+1. Also Atley. Suffice to say they have a lot of running players that are good users of the ball and will need to be shut down to varying extents. We need to capitalise on our biggest advantage in the ruck and Goldstein's poor form by dominating the hitouts and clearances, if we allow North to get their run and spread happy handballing style get them on the board strongly early in the game we will be chasing them all day. Can't afford a slow start in finals intensity and cross our fingers in hope that they will fade because of the heat.

Our biggest concern IMO opinion are clearances and contested footy. If we break even there we are a massive show.

 

[fryzie]

Our biggest concern IMO opinion are clearances and contested footy. If we break even there we are a massive show.

Fortunately they've both been weak points for the Kangaroos lately and they have been missing Leigh Adams in that regard since he went down with injury so they rely mostly on their outside running game which we cannot allow them to utilise at Subi.

Saw some stats from a North supporter that say over the last month they lost the contested ball against GWS 149-135, Fremantle 164-127, and the Bombers 149-134 and also the clearances to GWS by 50-25 and Fremantle 32-24.

 

[the big lebowski]

Fortunately they've both been weak points for the Kangaroos lately and they have been missing Leigh Adams in that regard since he went down with injury so they rely mostly on their outside running game which we cannot allow them to utilise at Subi.

Saw some stats from a North supporter that say over the last month they lost the contested ball against GWS 149-135, Fremantle 164-127, and the Bombers 149-134 and also the clearances to GWS by 50-25 and Fremantle 32-24.

You do realise i go for the Kangas don't you?

 

[fryzie]

You do realise i go for the Kangas don't you?

Hahaha, must admit I did not notice. Apologies, you just seemed so reasonable.

 

[nameless]

Something i found interesting comparing last time we played North at Subi.

They had just come off beating a bit team (geelong), then had a couple of ordinary games (losing to Sydney and only just beating GC)

Team changes since that game...
West Coast
+ Schofield, Kennedy, Embley, Naitanui
- Rosa, Lycett, Sheppard, Hams

North
+ Grima, Hansen, Campbell, Gibson, Goldstein, Mcmahon
- Mullet, Adams, Pedersen, Delaney, Edwards, McIntosh

Both teams adding a lot of talent to their team since the last match.

I'm still very confident of a victory, last year's finals campaign was a great learning curve, just need to make sure we start well and keep our heads, can get away from us very quickly if we think it'll just happen.

Shuey especially knows what finals are all about now so should be better.

CARN EAGLES!

 

[WCE_phil]

Hahaha, must admit I did not notice. Apologies, you just seemed so reasonable.

It's because he's not a carlton supporter.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I hope that the free kick count is closer. In fact in many ways I hope it's in your favour so that if we win it can't be cheapened by claims that we got our usual armchair ride

Don't worry - even with the 30-18 free kick their way in rd 1 2011 at Subiaco - it was still the umps fault they lost.

 

[Eagle87]

Our BF board is full of myopic posters, but it is a systemic problem caused by being a small fish in a big pond, a small fish that is kicked constantly within and outside the football world so the North supporters are often defensive.

I don't generally post tripe like that. I don't define my standard by whatever lowest common denominator I find within others. I regret making my post too generic because there are a lot of very good Eagles posters on BF that I like and respect, sadly, you aren't one of them and it is probably an oversight that you are not on my ignore list. There was just a lot of supporters who made similar comments but still, I shouldn't generalise.

However, I don't feel the need to make dumb or insulting posts just because others find new lows to sink to, If you feel the need to make dumb posts just because other morons do then it just reflects poorly on yourself.

So you don't feel the need to make dumb or insulting posts and yet you do so anyway?

You still posting copious amounts of crap everytime anyone suggests your "small fish in the big pond" probably shouldn't exist under any sensible business decision?

For clarity, you are myopic as they come.

Brad said that first, but it was a comment that was largely ignored. He was more angry that our players failed to take the precaution to tackle the players who like to duck into tackles lower as instructed to avoid giving away the free kicks. Some of your supporters were outraged he even suggested that some players duck the head more than the average player.

So Brad said it first while accusing us of "ducking". It's not ducking (except in Hams case and every club has a "diver") and it was Clarkson and Scott who created this mountain out of a molehill with their comments. The fact that you are as softly as you can seeking to perpetuate the same nonsense reveals the true nature of your views.

We don't duck anymore than anyone else. It's a beat up.

Why your supporters and you, in this thread, feel the need to keep beating it is likely an interesting insight into the mind of the supporter of the AFL's most enduring basket case.

There is always a reason for why you lose, same as there is always a reason why you win. I would have that that was an obvious. It doesn't mean the opposition doesn't play a great game. But when a coach is in the post match he is asked a number of question about happened and what went wrong. Let me reiterate that Brad never said we lost because of ducking, this was a bow drawn by your supporters and some of our dimwitted supporters.

It was a bow drawn my the football media and your supporters (and a quick read of your board shows its a vast majority) and Scott isn't that naive surely?

He said you lost, when the free kick discrepancy was pointed out he was happy to elaborate at some length in a manner which, on the back of Clarkos whining, perpetuated this myth that we are some sort of special class of ducker. You continue to perpetuate it by recycling the tale. Repeatedly.

If it wasn't a reason for the loss, why not simply point out that you lost fair and square and that you wouldn't give anyone an out by discussing umpires.

The fact is we are still talking about it because people like you are on BF including on our Board still raising the issue. It's a non issue. You weren't good enough. You lost. We aren't "Duckers" anymore than anyone else.

We do a lot of things that are proactive, many good things that all clubs enjoy have been developments initiated by my club. We have a small supporter base, that will always put financial pressure on us, especially during periods we are not well run off-field. I think our 'complaining' has seen a lot of good initiatives introduced in the AFL, sometimes you have to complain a lot in the public if you are generally ignored. It shouldn't come to that but there are elements of the game which are out of our control which have a big impact on our club. I see it less as complaining and more as educating the people that think nothing is wrong and nothing needs to be fixed. If nothing was wrong, we wouldn't have seen the AFL make significant changes last year.

So more softly softly whining about fixturing and FNF.

It's a business, you are a perennial struggler. You have never shown any capacity to sustain yourselves in the Melbourne market without various forms of assistance.

Fixturing is simply driven by TV rights holders wanting best bang for the buck. The lack of interest in your club, often by your own supporters judging by the lack of attendances at numerous games, is the primary issue which shows no real signs of changing. None of which explains all the whining about it. Change it by getting some fans and extracting money out of them.

If you were truly innovative and well managed you wouldn't have these issues.

I have many faults, a lack of awareness is not one of them.

We agree on 50% of that. A start.

I am generally welcome on most opposition boards because I like to chat about footy and like to talk about the teams leading up to playing eachother, but it is difficult to have any kind of meaningful engagement when you have to wade through insults non-stop. Don't point to our forum, I know it is problematic and I have tried to raise it with the mods but they are unwilling to do anything about it. I can't control what they do or how they act, I am only in control of myself.

If you prefer to just have your own supporters only in your forum then I will respect that and leave you guys be.

Well my "rant" was driven by the behavior of your mods regarding me engaging in some pre finals banter on your Board. Banter at a level no more "aggressive" than the post of yours I was responding to. To the extent that they are so heavy handed and, even more gallingly, not even prepared to provide an explanation then it will reflect on how some see your supporters on other Boards I.e. "why the hell can he say that on our Board when we have no "right of reply" on theirs"...

Fairly straightforward I would think.

To the extent that stuff aimed at your mods (and my post was edited in that regard) unfairly tainted you then I apologise. The reality remains though that I reckon you are still sly trolling with the references to ducking. I vehemently disagree that your coach should have discussed it in the manner he did and that it's (ducking) any sort of real issue. TBH, with one or two exceptions, WC players have found it pretty hard to get clear high tackle decisions paid the last 1/3 to 1/2 of the season, no doubt thanks in part to Scott's comments and the spotlight they attracted.