Prediction Changes vs Dees round 19

[BrisDog]

This will be a great test of Bevo's coaching prowess. Quite a few of his best players not available and coming up against the most settled line-up in the comp with a very effective game plan. Melbourne's team defence is just impenetrable when they're on. If he can manufacture a win this week I hope he gets the credit he deserves on here for once.

I think if we don’t turn the ball over in the defensive 50 two dozen times in the first quarter, like last time, we win.

 

[Golden_6]

Hmmm not too sure about that.. they have two, but I guess Jackson played some minutes there too but not overly concerned about him in the air. Brown also plays a lot up the ground. Gawn doesn’t push forward, he almost becomes another backman.

I’d go:
Mcdonald - Cordy
Brown - Keath
Fritsch - Duryea/Williams
Jackson - Maybe a switch and go Keath when needed.

Regarding Young, if it’s not Sweet then yeah Young is going to have to chop out in the ruck

I'd be playing Young on Ben Brown and allowing him to move up the ground with him when he plays higher. Keath should take McDonald & Cordy can take Jackson when he's forward which would be for at least half the game.

Whenever Jackson goes into the ruck, I'd push Young in there pretty much allowing English to battle Gawn one on one throughout the night, and trying to expose Max when he plays behind the ball and make him accountable inside our forward 50.

 

[Mutt]

Talking about those things is great. Claiming the coach is getting outcoached every time we start losing or we lose a match is getting old as fu**. It’s terribly lazy and by the amount of posters now making ridiculous comments about it, it seems to be getting contagious.
There’s so many things to discuss about our games during and post siren, yet the lazy posters go with the same stupid rhetoric.
Bevo bad man, Bevo doesn’t change game plans, Bevo choose favourites.

As crazy as this may sound, some times our systems break down due to the 18 on the field and nothing the coaches can do corrects it. Pretty crazy huh? Sometimes players have off games as a group. Sometimes it’s minor stuff like a couple of the mids having off days, so the oppo mids get on top in vital areas and it can become a domino effect, putting pressure on our defence to win more 1v1’s than they have previous weeks. Add to that the possibility that our fwd line may be up against a back line containing a couple of the inform defenders in the comp.
Other weeks it could be an off week for the fwds, or defenders. Some times we may be playing after a 6 day break following a covid stay over interstate and the players are struggling between the ears to get up for the weekends game.
Maybe Bevo some weeks struggles with the messaging pre game and the players don’t hit the ground running as they should against the Tigers/Demons of the comp.
Sometimes we have an off game that’s partially due to the outstanding performance of the opposition (Swans game???)

Luckily for us, any combination of these and other things has resulted in only 4 losses this season. Pretty amazing, that in a game where it only takes a small percentage less than what the opposition brings in systems/workrate/output/preparation etc to be on the end of a bad loss, we’re 2nd on the ladder with only 4 losses.

Coaches make mistakes and Bevo’s no different to other coaches in the comp. The facts are that he and every other coach has every one of us in here covered easily in the footballing knowledge department and anything brought up in here during games or post game isn’t news to them.

It’d be great to see some actual match analysis post game instead of the lazy brain dead out coached horse sh*t we hear most weeks. Some posters like Wetdog and a few others are great in the post game threads. It would make for far better reading if we saw more of that kind of stuff.

I'm not sure why you are quoting me, as your post does not address what I was responding to. Very few posters on here claim that Beveridge is outcoached every time we lose and I'm certainly not one of them. I was responding to a poster who was calling anyone a moron who in any way ever disagreed with the coach.

Just as you get frustrated by those who you think constantly carp about the coach, I get frustrated by the Beveridge fanbois who will tolerate no discussion that is remotely critical of anything the coach does, or decisions he makes.

Both groups are the minority and we shouldn't let them dominate or spoil the conversation on here.

 

[Libbaaaa]

I think if we don’t turn the ball over in the defensive 50 two dozen times in the first quarter, like last time, we win.

Simple but true. Sometimes you just have to take the kick down the line, it isn't compromising your game style it is taking what the defence is giving you.

 

[whyBulldogs]

I think if we don’t turn the ball over in the defensive 50 two dozen times in the first quarter, like last time, we win.

and(or) more accurate set-shot if that's not too much to ask. Last time missing easy set shot killed our few momentum

 

[BEaston]

Simple but true. Sometimes you just have to take the kick down the line, it isn't compromising your game style it is taking what the defence is giving you.

Melbourne's defence was actually giving us the switch, we just couldn't execute. They block the corridor and down the line very well. I think they are susceptible to lateral ball movement as their defensive structure isn't super responsive... they don't have the quickest players so can get caught off guard sometimes. Will be interesting to see how we play it this time round.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Melbourne's defence was actually giving us the switch, we just couldn't execute. They block the corridor and down the line very well. I think they are susceptible to lateral ball movement as their defensive structure isn't super responsive... they don't have the quickest players so can get caught off guard sometimes. Will be interesting to see how we play it this time round.

The switch is one thing but the Libba, Dale and Daniel turnovers from memory were 20m passes into the most dangerous position on the field. Down the line might be covered as a clear release but it will always be an option a a last resort to relieve pressure/try bring to ground or out of bounds.

 

[grassman75]

Players who played last time against the Dees who weren't in the team v GC last week

Lipinski
Butler
Sweet

If i recall correctly, was Butler a late call up?

Dees were nearly full strength, think it might have only been Viney and Tomlinson missing from best 22

We also had Garcia out with concussion in the first 2 mins. That is 4 pretty inexperienced players - Lipi is still only on 50 odd games

Also that night we had Cody-19 playing i think his 7th? game

We got jumped in the first quarter and the 3rd quarter and won the second and 4th quarters and the game didn't blow out

We made numerous skill errors in the back half giving up easy goals.

I'm expecting a much better showing this time

 

[weltschmerz]

Players who played last time against the Dees who weren't in the team v GC last week

Lipinski
Butler
Sweet

If i recall correctly, was Butler a late call up?

Dees were nearly full strength, think it might have only been Viney and Tomlinson missing from best 22

We also had Garcia out with concussion in the first 2 mins. That is 4 pretty inexperienced players - Lipi is still only on 50 odd games

Also that night we had Cody-19 playing i think his 7th? game

We got jumped in the first quarter and the 3rd quarter and won the second and 4th quarters and the game didn't blow out

We made numerous skill errors in the back half giving up easy goals.

I'm expecting a much better showing this time

Butler was the medi sub and came in for Garcia.

 

[hutchy31]

I'm not sure why you are quoting me, as your post does not address what I was responding to. Very few posters on here claim that Beveridge is outcoached every time we lose and I'm certainly not one of them. I was responding to a poster who was calling anyone a moron who in any way ever disagreed with the coach.

Just as you get frustrated by those who you think constantly carp about the coach, I get frustrated by the Beveridge fanbois who will tolerate no discussion that is remotely critical of anything the coach does, or decisions he makes.

Both groups are the minority and we shouldn't let them dominate or spoil the conversation on here.

Hear hear. It's perfectly valid to think Bevo is a great coach, maybe in the top 2-3 in the comp, and believe he also has blind spots.

Re. the game - I'm typically a little more negative in outlook than the average supporter, but I'm relatively positive about this one. The side hasn't played that well for almost a month now (since WC), although obviously we've had some good patches or areas of the game otherwise the North and GC wins wouldn't be on the board. Dunks out is a loss, but a rested Libba back in against a midfield that kept him fairly quiet in the last game is a recipe for a good game from him. Our distributors can't play much worse than they did in the first quarter/half of that game with all the turnovers, and the dees are just not in great form.

Then even if we lose there's still a clear path to top four and hopefully getting a few key players back for the pointy end.

 

[doggies ftw]

Will be interesting to see who comes in here, gotta remember now there’s no VFL, and honestly I doubt there will be for at least a few weeks to a month. If at all. So that’s now out of the question. If you’re ready you’re ready and you play and find form in the 1s. Risky but considering that if VDM and Wood are fit, I think they play.

Unleash the new era bulldog forward line of Garcia, Weightman, VDM & JJ. This lot are gonna cause serious ****ing carnage.

If it’s wet I’d be going with in Wood, VDM, Libba out Croz, McNeil, Dunks, Bruce can second ruck all day. If it’s dry I’d be inclined to bring in Young too, probably for Rourke

 

[grassman75]

Butler was the medi sub and came in for Garcia.

Of course

 

[perro_loco]

100% agree mate. I've tried to engage a couple of times with this rhetoric to to try find out exactly how Bevo was outcoached, but I can't say much in the way of analysis or reasoning has ever been provided. I would actually love to engage in that realm as Mutt has described but unfortunately there's often no real substance behind the claim. Other times it's been evident that those making the claim haven't watched the game in person which makes it very hard to have any real discussion on match day strategies.

Keep the discussion going. I really enjoy reading opinions on tactics here. It is much better Than the garbage we get in the media. Respectful criticism and analysis is always enlightening so ignore the naysayers.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Players who played last time against the Dees who weren't in the team v GC last week

Lipinski
Butler
Sweet

If i recall correctly, was Butler a late call up?

Dees were nearly full strength, think it might have only been Viney and Tomlinson missing from best 22

We also had Garcia out with concussion in the first 2 mins. That is 4 pretty inexperienced players - Lipi is still only on 50 odd games

Also that night we had Cody-19 playing i think his 7th? game

We got jumped in the first quarter and the 3rd quarter and won the second and 4th quarters and the game didn't blow out

We made numerous skill errors in the back half giving up easy goals.

I'm expecting a much better showing this time

We lost Garcia in the first 10 minutes and it seemed to knock our structure out.

 

[HahnPremium]

Just as you get frustrated by those who you think constantly carp about the coach, I get frustrated by the Beveridge fanbois who will tolerate no discussion that is remotely critical of anything the coach does, or decisions he makes.

Both groups are the minority and we shouldn't let them dominate or spoil the conversation on here.

Yeah but mutt. bevo is a bulldog immortal and a god. In our history.
I find it fine to be a devout zealot, an agnostic or even an atheist.
But he is in our pantheon on the shelf for delivering a flag.

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

In: Libba, Lipinski, Wood
Out: Dunks, R.Smith, McNeil

 

[dogwatch]

I'm not predicting my side until I see what Zeno The Great has to say.

 

[HahnPremium]

The forgotten unhealded greats.
Zeno.
Marko.
Paul Gow.

 

[ScottyDogg]

In: Libba, Lipinski, Wood
Out: Dunks, R.Smith, McNeil

I thought McNeil was excellent against the Suns. Any particular reason you want to drop him?

 

[ScottyDogg]

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Really hope the totally emotional “we got out coached” shit fight isn’t starting up again. I posted this interview a while ago but if you listen to Hunter at 5:58 he says we could not have played worse against Melbourne. Says it’s better knowing that you couldn’t possibly play worse and still were in it then to play well and just get pipped.

Coaching is super important. We have a pretty good human at the reigns. He makes plenty of mistakes. But it won’t matter if our guys turn up and play their best brand.

Melbourne played their best footy, we played our worst and it was still quite close. We show up, we smash them.

My only ongoing concern is the mental side. Did we play so bad against them last time that it becomes a bit of a bogey situation. Really hope not.

 

[bresker]

We tried to go through the corridor early, but Melbourne’s pressure & our inaccuracy caused turnovers, and we switched to the wings where we were easily picked off.

Was that bad coaching, or players going back into their shells?

Was it that Melbourne were the better team? (They were, but might not be now….)

Bev seems like less of a reactive game day coach than in 2015-6. We play to a pattern and if that breaks down we’re in trouble. That’s my layman’s view from the wing/couch.

 

[Dogsman16]

We tried to go through the corridor early, but Melbourne’s pressure & our inaccuracy caused turnovers, and we switched to the wings where we were easily picked off.

Was that bad coaching, or players going back into their shells?

Was it that Melbourne were the better team? (They were, but might not be now….)

Bev seems like less of a reactive game day coach than in 2015-6. We play to a pattern and if that breaks down we’re in trouble. That’s my layman’s view from the wing/couch.

I thought it was the horrendous kicks across our defensive 50 that cost us more than anything.

We didn't actually go long down the wings and were frightened by May and Lever intercepting, so instead we kicked the terrible switch kicks that got us in trouble.

 

[footscray1973]

Will be interesting to see who comes in here, gotta remember now there’s no VFL, and honestly I doubt there will be for at least a few weeks to a month. If at all. So that’s now out of the question. If you’re ready you’re ready and you play and find form in the 1s. Risky but considering that if VDM and Wood are fit, I think they play.

Unleash the new era bulldog forward line of Garcia, Weightman, VDM & JJ. This lot are gonna cause serious ******* carnage.

If it’s wet I’d be going with in Wood, VDM, Libba out Croz, McNeil, Dunks, Bruce can second ruck all day. If it’s dry I’d be inclined to bring in Young too, probably for Rourke

While he's quite capable in that role, he's also then expected to play forward and have an impact, and if he doesn't, gets slammed on this forum.

Also, I'm curious why you have McNeil out? On most recent games played, McNeil has it over VDM for mine, as much as I'm a fan of Laith.

 

[dogwatch]

I thought it was the horrendous kicks across our defensive 50 that cost us more than anything.

We didn't actually go long down the wings and were frightened by May and Lever intercepting, so instead we kicked the terrible switch kicks that got us in trouble.

After we gifted them 5 goals we got too scared to switch so the last three quarters were mostly down the wings where we got outmarked or the ball was killed. At least that’s my memory of it.

Credit to the Melbourne setup for creating sufficient pressure on us and then being well positioned to capitalise on the errors. That was a good game plan and team discipline.

 

[Dogsman16]

After we gifted them 5 goals we got too scared to switch so the last three quarters were mostly down the wings where we got outmarked or the ball was killed. At least that’s my memory of it.

Credit to the Melbourne setup for creating sufficient pressure on us and then being well positioned to capitalise on the errors. That was a good game plan and team discipline.

We were down by 27 points at QT and lost by 28. It was the first quarter kicking across goal in the first that absolutely killed us. Macrae from memory didn't kick well in that first.

Melbourne also took a lot of marks inside 50 in comparison.

There gamestyle worked wonderfully against us.