Changes vs Richmond

[Zgope1]

i think we're all surprised at the call but it's easy to rationalise. They were surely neck and neck coming into round 1 and Bevo's made it clear that we have comp for spots so perform or be dropped

 

[Mutt]

No never ending debate here my friend - last point on this from me. The concerns on Redpath have been articulated throughout prior to him being dropped in various threads so not post hoc. Yep, I'll concede that no-one specifically called for him to be dropped but for me anyway that was more because of doubts on who would do better not about Redpath.

Its hard to argue that Redpath was our worst player by some distance last week..dropping him is hardly lacking transparency or 'left field' as you've described.

Well it's not a decision that anyone on here agreed with or supported before it was actually announced - hence my saying it was left field more so than predictable and naturally part of some well understood and completely transparent plan.

I have no problem with the decision itself and think that Beveridge will be an excellent coaching appointment. I was the first person here to break the news that Beveridge was the one to beat when we were selecting the new coach and I fully support his appointment and the termination of McCartney. I am also, however, sick and tired of the unnecessary demonising of Brendan McCartney on here. I guess my response to Fronk's post was because I'm sick of us raking over the past - we've all had plenty to say on McCartney and it's time to move on.

Let's celebrate the extremely positive start that the new coach has made without having to contrast him with his predecessor. I'm pretty sure Luke would rather that as well.

 

[Next Waiting]

Personally feel like it's less about Redpath and more about the structure, as somebody posted a couple of pages back (sorry, have forgotten who it was). Beveridge is still trying to find a team structure that looks the best. Our forward line simply didn't function for three quarters last week, and Minson clearly needed a bit more support. I'm pretty confident that the decision to drop Redpath wasn't because of his poor game, but more to do with figuring out what works.

If Cordy comes in and stinks it up, but our forward line functions well and Minson appreciates the support, I reckon we'll persist with him. If it simply doesn't work we might try something else - like Boyd higher up the ground and Campbell at FF, or a smaller lineup.

It's an interesting one. If Redpath had kept his place then Boyd would most likely have continued in a second ruck capacity which may have worked out OK (ruckwise) and Redpath would have been the tall target during that time (assuming Minson is on the pine catching his breath). I think he (Redpath) could be forgiven for having an off night not grabbing marks yet getting to the right spots but I also think that the zero tackle count has cost him. Could they risk a zero or very low tackle count in the fwd 50 again and have his opponents running off him on the G? He (Redpath) looks like he has yet to make the adjustment to the speed/intensity at this level and in a very winnable and possibly tight game, it (tackles and fwd 50 pressure) may be the difference between 2 in a row and 1 and 1.
There's also the horses for courses view where two genuine rucks is seen as a better option against Richmond on the G at this time and Cordy has been playing well in the games I've seen. A bit from Column A and Column B would be my guess.

 

[smashh]

Redpath was very bad last week. Very. Bad.
Why are people shocked at his exclusion?
Haven't followed as closely lately, so what's the go with Campbell? He's not great, but I'd take him over either Jack or Ayce. Looking forward to see what Ayce can do in 2015

 

[Hrovat24]

Mate would you accept sensational for our structure?

No I cant , it's good for the team but can't say he was sensational he did play well though and did his job ?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

It's an interesting one. If Redpath had kept his place then Boyd would most likely have continued in a second ruck capacity which may have worked out OK (ruckwise) and Redpath would have been the tall target during that time (assuming Minson is on the pine catching his breath). I think he (Redpath) could be forgiven for having an off night not grabbing marks yet getting to the right spots but I also think that the zero tackle count has cost him. Could they risk a zero or very low tackle count in the fwd 50 again and have his opponents running off him on the G? He (Redpath) looks like he has yet to make the adjustment to the speed/intensity at this level and in a very winnable and possibly tight game, it (tackles and fwd 50 pressure) may be the difference between 2 in a row and 1 and 1.
There's also the horses for courses view where two genuine rucks is seen as a better option against Richmond on the G at this time and Cordy has been playing well in the games I've seen. A bit from Column A and Column B would be my guess.

Left-field suggestion...is it possible that Beveridge underestimated Boyd at this stage of his career? As in, underestimated how much of an impact he could have straight up (as evidenced by his direct involvement in numerous goals on the weekend)?

I only say this as we've been hearing all pre-season how Boyd "wasn't going to survive" as a full-time forward this early into his career, and how Bev really wanted to grant him the opportunity to play as the second ruck...but here we are, a week in, with Boyd already helping the structure of our forward line, and a second ruck brought in specifically to help out Minson and thereby keep Boyd out of the ruck. Keeping Boyd up forward ensures we've always got his presence - but Beveridge seemed very keen to downplay that short-term presence and instead preach flexibility during the pre-season.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Feel for big Jack, would have kept him in a few weeks myself. But I like Ayce so wrapped for him.

 

[cleveland]

I'm so wanting ayce to make a go of it and cement his place in the team

 

[Next Waiting]

Left-field suggestion...is it possible that Beveridge underestimated Boyd at this stage of his career? As in, underestimated how much of an impact he could have straight up (as evidenced by his direct involvement in numerous goals on the weekend)?

I only say this as we've been hearing all pre-season how Boyd "wasn't going to survive" as a full-time forward this early into his career, and how Bev really wanted to grant him the opportunity to play as the second ruck...but here we are, a week in, with Boyd already helping the structure of our forward line, and a second ruck brought in specifically to help out Minson and thereby keep Boyd out of the ruck. Keeping Boyd up forward ensures we've always got his presence - but Beveridge seemed very keen to downplay that short-term presence and instead preach flexibility during the pre-season.

Not sure Dan on how good he thought he could be this season but I think (and he may too) that it's a tough ask for a young player like him to last the season (ie will have to manage his games/workload as the season progresses). BUT, early in the season he could string a few games together in row before feeling the effects of regularly taking the best tall defender. I think this team could put in a couple of stunning performances this season, games where the high draft picks (including Boyd) en masse combine to really stamp themselves as forces to be reckoned with and early in the season, uninjured and fresh seems like a reasonable bet. Adelaide and Hawthorn might just be too good in rounds 3 and 4 but I fancied Richmond might be the game where this happens and a confidence boosting first up win with no long WA travel hangover increases my optimism.
Boyd played well forward in the first game and if they then wanted to keep him forward for the duration tomorrow, Cordy's preseason and rucking ability combined with Redpaths offie last week probably made the call a lot easier.

 

[Maddog1980]

I was impressed with his 2nd and 3rd efforts in the NAB Cup.

Can we play Cordy, Redpath, Minson and Boyd in the same side?

This is what I would like to see. Minson in the ruck, Redpath and CHF, Cordy and Boyd deep or even one of them 35 out.

All Minsons rotations are off the ground and Cordy in the ruck with Boyd alone deep - Redpath to remain largely at CHF and rotate with Boyd.

 

[paulveed]

To be honest I think Red Jack being dropped had more to do with Big Will, than Redders himself. I have been saying all summer we need a 'real' ruckman to support Will, not a KPP interrupting our structure by moving onto the ball.
For Will to get a decent break, without having our 'amateur' ruck options getting flogged by real ruckmen, we needed a ruckman to back Will up.

While i feel sorry for Red Jack getting dropped after one [ pretty average sort of] game, I am pleased we now have a better structured 22.

Strings is capable of playing as our second key forward to big Tom, especially if Bonty can change with him occasionally.
To be honest I'm much happier with this structure.

On last weeks performance, Ayce would hardly need to have a blinder to contribute as much as R Jack did as a forward, aside from supporting Will.

 

[hatescaptcha]

Good sign to see Lukas Webb listed as an emergency. Shows that we will be playing players whose form warrants selection regardless of age.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

So Richmond beat Carlton by 27 and West Coast beat them by 10 goals. If form means anything, we bend Richmond over by about 7 goals tomorrow. Happy days

 

[TMoney22]

I think people say this because he's mobile for the fact he's 204 cm, not many blokes over 200cm move around the ground pretty easliy as he does, that's tall for Ruckmen let alone key forwards, let's not forget it's that mobility which made him a first round draft prospect in the first place.
Sure, he's not mobile compared to your average 195cm second tall that all clubs have, not at all. But the point I'm making when people say that he's "mobile", they're talking about mobility, relative to height.

I still think its a big myth. Off the top of my head Joe Daniher is mobile and I'd also throw in Z.Clarke, Mitch Clark, Hale, B.Brown, Goldstein, Tippett, Nick Nat. All over 200cm.
They have the ability to beat there opponent off the lead consistently and are overall good around the ground. Cordy hasn't been able to mark above his head for years. Injury or not. He is a giraffe in the forward line. Unfortunately he doesn't have enough strength to be a gorilla. In my mind a tall ruck forward needs to either have great mobility or great strength to succeed. I haven't seen either from him. I'm guessing Chaplin will play on him, who is smaller and stronger. Its such a liability,

But saying that, even if he doesn't have a good game against the tigers I hope he gets at least 3-4 matches to prove something.

 

[immortalmike]

I still think its a big myth. Off the top of my head Joe Daniher is mobile and I'd also throw in Z.Clarke, Mitch Clark, Hale, B.Brown, Goldstein, Tippett, Nick Nat. All over 200cm.
They have the ability to beat there opponent off the lead consistently and are overall good around the ground. Cordy hasn't been able to mark above his head for years. Injury or not. He is a giraffe in the forward line. Unfortunately he doesn't have enough strength to be a gorilla. In my mind a tall ruck forward needs to either have great mobility or great strength to succeed. I haven't seen either from him. I'm guessing Chaplin will play on him, who is smaller and stronger. Its such a liability,

But saying that, even if he doesn't have a good game against the tigers I hope he gets at least 3-4 matches to prove something.

How about letting him play before labeling him a liability.
He's also plenty mobile, just doesn't always use it to his advantage.

 

[DognBones]

Not big on whatifs, but if Cordy has a poor game what do the selectors do for next week? Cordy out, Redpath in? Cordy to be given more time than Redpath?
Hopefully one of these guys will show something soon or we will need to revert to a smaller forward setup - which may not be a bad thing anyway.

 

[boydsno1]

Campbell will come in lol.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Rumours of JJ not training the other day, combined with Webb not playing VFL today...we might have a debutant.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Haven't seen Webb out there for Footscray yet, chance he's in the seniors?

 

[Doggy Dan]

Rumours of JJ not training the other day, combined with Webb not playing VFL today...we might have a debutant.

haha just got me Dannnnnn

 

[Doggy Dan]

Redpath justifying his omission!