List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

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[jesterwester]

20 days out from the draft last year, how many had us taking Chesser with our first?

Probably not too many, from memory it was all about whether Erasmus or Johnson would be there for us as a local pick. Then there were whispers of Sinn, and then Chesser very very late

I feel like it’s a bit similar this year with Ginbey & Hewett.

I think we have proven over our last 5-10 years that our strategy with these first round picks is best available, regardless of state. So it wouldn’t surprise to see us go tall at 8 (buss or Jefferson) and then a mid at 12. Not expecting a great deal of surprises in the top 10 I think we will know a few days in advance who our pick will be.

Also, Similar vibes with Allen when comparing to Hough from last year- if he’s there at 20 I can see us rushing to pick him. We’ve made our interest a little bit too well known, I think.

 

[dajesmac]

20 days out from the draft last year, how many had us taking Chesser with our first?

Probably not too many, from memory it was all about whether Erasmus or Johnson would be there for us as a local pick. Then there were whispers of Sinn, and then Chesser very very late

I feel like it’s a bit similar this year with Ginbey & Hewett.

I think we have proven over our last 5-10 years that our strategy with these first round picks is best available, regardless of state. So it wouldn’t surprise to see us go tall at 8 (buss or Jefferson) and then a mid at 12. Not expecting a great deal of surprises in the top 10 I think we will know a few days in advance who our pick will be.

Also, Similar vibes with Allen when comparing to Hough from last year- if he’s there at 20 I can see us rushing to pick him. We’ve made our interest a little bit too well known, I think.

Can’t shake this feeling Hollands is this years Chesser

 

[Nuffington Post]

Can’t shake this feeling Hollands is this years Chesser

At pick 8 I really hope not. Don’t mind it being Victorian but would need to be Humphrey, Mackenzie, Tsatas or Clark


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[Happy Mastenator]

In divisions - ranked on merit. Dosn't equate to the old WAFL structure. All Divisions fall under teh AFL. The AFL has been heavily into Sydney private schools for ober 40 years. But Soccer is now by far the biggest code there.

Under 19s Division One is the second highest ranked AFL Sydney competition (after First Grade Premier Division and is prioritised as such for umpires , venues ect) and suited to players looking to transition into the Premier Division.

The Division Two competition is for the developing footballer or one who plays for the social aspect of the sport. All clubs participating in this competition field senior teams in either Platinum Division or the lower Divisionalised Football.

I think the point is that their Academy looks at kids as they enter high school which is where other codes are looking - the identificatiion is done and dusted well before the U 19 level.

I'm not sure, but i think you're agreeing with me?

Yes. They footy is into private schools, but I imagine a big chunk of first 18 players at the big private schools in perth would be on scholarship, compared to none in Sydney.

Also, I've played in the Aussie Rules system in Sydney. Wouldn't be close

Believe it or not, but the northern states do have their own state based leagues. And these clubs do have colts. That's where kids used to be picked from, before the academies arrived.

I can't speak for NSW, but the Brisbane based QAFL clubs really don't like the Brisbane academy, and the generall comment from the QAFL clubs is that the academy does not offer elite level training above what the kids receive at colts/reserves/senior level. It's even hard for the Brisbane academy to run an elite program because of the distances involved for kids to travel, so it runs zones, with each zone having a squad, and of course some zones are stronger than others. Then there's a common complaint from the QAFL clubs, that the academy scouts every year miss out on inviting some of the better talent to join the academy.

At this years U15 School Sports Australia championships, there was some surprise on the QAFL board, when the second best QLD kid (and in the Lions academy zone) in the age group wasn't selected in the team. The Lions academy ended up having 4 kids in U15 AA team, including the tournament mvp who was a bottom age kid.

oh I know they have underage comps but they aren’t the same development as the colts systems in wa.

 

[FKASC]

Can’t shake this feeling Hollands is this years Chesser

edam, that does not sound gouda

 

[shooshka]

20 days out from the draft last year, how many had us taking Chesser with our first?

Probably not too many, from memory it was all about whether Erasmus or Johnson would be there for us as a local pick. Then there were whispers of Sinn, and then Chesser very very late

I feel like it’s a bit similar this year with Ginbey & Hewett.

I think we have proven over our last 5-10 years that our strategy with these first round picks is best available, regardless of state. So it wouldn’t surprise to see us go tall at 8 (buss or Jefferson) and then a mid at 12. Not expecting a great deal of surprises in the top 10 I think we will know a few days in advance who our pick will be.

Also, Similar vibes with Allen when comparing to Hough from last year- if he’s there at 20 I can see us rushing to pick him. We’ve made our interest a little bit too well known, I think.

Allen might end up a Hough/Oscar comparison (not as player type, just draft machinations).

Really zero in on him - similar to what we did with Kelly and Oscar - but when the draft falls a different way we may still go with our ratings and potentially miss out. Or, a la Hough, the draft goes as expected and he is considered potentially a slight reach.

That said, we do tend to draft pretty well overall. I get the feeling I'll melt like the rest of us in late November, only to have my opinion 180 degrees in the other direction in about 2 years!

 

[paran]

20 days out from the draft last year, how many had us taking Chesser with our first?

Probably not too many, from memory it was all about whether Erasmus or Johnson would be there for us as a local pick. Then there were whispers of Sinn, and then Chesser very very late

I feel like it’s a bit similar this year with Ginbey & Hewett.

I think we have proven over our last 5-10 years that our strategy with these first round picks is best available, regardless of state. So it wouldn’t surprise to see us go tall at 8 (buss or Jefferson) and then a mid at 12. Not expecting a great deal of surprises in the top 10 I think we will know a few days in advance who our pick will be.

Also, Similar vibes with Allen when comparing to Hough from last year- if he’s there at 20 I can see us rushing to pick him. We’ve made our interest a little bit too well known, I think.

I think we were really keen on Erasmus who got within 2 picks of us, which was pretty much the call from everyone

 

[bzparkes]

I’d cum in peace if this happened

Sorry for the protrusion.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I predict the melts will be next level after we take our first pick, then gradually less and less with each subsequent pick until by the end most peeps are like "we did alright".

 

[ziad]

I'm not sure, but i think you're agreeing with me?

Yes. They footy is into private schools, but I imagine a big chunk of first 18 players at the big private schools in perth would be on scholarship, compared to none in Sydney.

Also, I've played in the Aussie Rules system in Sydney. Wouldn't be close

oh I know they have underage comps but they aren’t the same development as the colts systems in wa.

Change is happening. The underage comps are fully controlleld by the AFL as are all levels of senior footy. You have to remember that this includes the strong Riverina region not just metro Sydney. ACT is also reasonable at the top end. Sydney junior teams are now (last 8-10 years perhaps) seeded so they dont play within a local district comp to help development. This overlays the academy development of individuals.
I am not a fan of the AFL but I must begrudgingly say they are now a very professional outfit operating in Sydney. Not so years ago.

 

[FKASC]

I predict the melts will be next level after we take our first pick, then gradually less and less with each subsequent pick until by the end most peeps are like "we did alright".

IMO it’ll peak during our second pick.

 

[WCE_phil]

20 days out from the draft last year, how many had us taking Chesser with our first?

Probably not too many, from memory it was all about whether Erasmus or Johnson would be there for us as a local pick. Then there were whispers of Sinn, and then Chesser very very late

I feel like it’s a bit similar this year with Ginbey & Hewett.

I think we have proven over our last 5-10 years that our strategy with these first round picks is best available, regardless of state. So it wouldn’t surprise to see us go tall at 8 (buss or Jefferson) and then a mid at 12. Not expecting a great deal of surprises in the top 10 I think we will know a few days in advance who our pick will be.

Also, Similar vibes with Allen when comparing to Hough from last year- if he’s there at 20 I can see us rushing to pick him. We’ve made our interest a little bit too well known, I think.

Last year the club expected Erasmus to be there at our pick. Freo were expected to take Amiss and Johnson (I was involved at the time) I wasn't involved in the first round pick but was directly involved in knowing the next two would be taken if they were available for our draft spots (Hough and Bazzo). Clark had also been promised a spot on the list AFAIK, wasn't keen to move interstate and there was a rumour someone would draft him before our first rookie pick.

Chesser became the backup plan.

Now in regards to this draft there are 2 potential teams I know are looking to trade up dependant on player. Carlton and the Bulldogs from what I know and have heard.

I don't know of any Sydney plans to trade up however GWS are always a potential if they want a player.

AFAIK is Mackenzie and Tsatas are off the board then the trade with saints isn't a likely go ahead. However if Busslinger is still available, the dogs will at least put an offer in as they expect Carlton to take him and he is the saints first choice in that scenario.

No other news.

 

[bh90210fan]

How good are Brisbane going with the news Connor McKenna is likely to end up there for next season. Dunkley, Gunston, pick 1 f/s plus another first round f/s this year with more academy kids and f/s’ on the horizon. They’re going to be living at the pointy end of the table for the foreseeable future I reckon.

 

[bzparkes]

How good are Brisbane going with the news Connor McKenna is likely to end up there for next season. Dunkley, Gunston, pick 1 f/s plus another first round f/s this year with more academy kids and f/s’ on the horizon. They’re going to be living at the pointy end of the table for the foreseeable future I reckon.

Destination club.

Unlike Freo who are a truck-stop on the way to somewhere nicer.

 

[Nuffington Post]

Last year the club expected Erasmus to be there at our pick. Freo were expected to take Amiss and Johnson (I was involved at the time) I wasn't involved in the first round pick but was directly involved in knowing the next two would be taken if they were available for our draft spots (Hough and Bazzo). Clark had also been promised a spot on the list AFAIK, wasn't keen to move interstate and there was a rumour someone would draft him before our first rookie pick.

Chesser became the backup plan.

Now in regards to this draft there are 2 potential teams I know are looking to trade up dependant on player. Carlton and the Bulldogs from what I know and have heard.

I don't know of any Sydney plans to trade up however GWS are always a potential if they want a player.

AFAIK is Mackenzie and Tsatas are off the board then the trade with saints isn't a likely go ahead. However if Busslinger is still available, the dogs will at least put an offer in as they expect Carlton to take him and he is the saints first choice in that scenario.

No other news.

That would work out perfectly if we could slide down a few spots, get an F2 (doubt we could get an F1?) and still take the player we wanted at 8. Similar to last year I guess. That would leave us with 3 x second rounders for 2023, and the potential to combine some of those to get 2 x first rounders.


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[Ambrose Burnside]

IMO it’ll peak during our second pick.

Could be, but I'm expecting The Bus with our first, then Hewett with our second.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

I predict the melts will be next level after we take our first pick, then gradually less and less with each subsequent pick until by the end most peeps are like "we did alright".

Yep, this happens pretty much in every draft. First pick in isolation everyone is like WTF, then as you add the next few picks is starts to look good.

Expecting Busslinger first, and we're all thinking but we don't need a tall defender. Then we add mid and another, and it looks much better.

 

[FKASC]

Could be, but I'm expecting The Bus with our first, then Hewett with our second.

Buss then Allen

 

[squashface]

Buss then Allen

Buss, Allan, Jones, Brander

 

[bzparkes]

Buss, Allan, Jones, Brander

Matt Allen, yeah?

 

[jesterwester]

Last year the club expected Erasmus to be there at our pick. Freo were expected to take Amiss and Johnson (I was involved at the time) I wasn't involved in the first round pick but was directly involved in knowing the next two would be taken if they were available for our draft spots (Hough and Bazzo). Clark had also been promised a spot on the list AFAIK, wasn't keen to move interstate and there was a rumour someone would draft him before our first rookie pick.

Chesser became the backup plan.

Now in regards to this draft there are 2 potential teams I know are looking to trade up dependant on player. Carlton and the Bulldogs from what I know and have heard.

I don't know of any Sydney plans to trade up however GWS are always a potential if they want a player.

AFAIK is Mackenzie and Tsatas are off the board then the trade with saints isn't a likely go ahead. However if Busslinger is still available, the dogs will at least put an offer in as they expect Carlton to take him and he is the saints first choice in that scenario.

No other news.

Thanks for the insider view. Appreciate it.

Busslinger does seem like the obvious fit for the dogs. So would surprise if they tried us. Not sure what capital they would have to offer, though.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Thanks for the insider view. Appreciate it.

Busslinger does seem like the obvious fit for the dogs. So would surprise if they tried us. Not sure what capital they would have to offer, though.

8 for 11 & 21?
Go to draft with 11, 12, 20, 21 and 26. Five picks inside top 30 as ROB/Nisbett said (can't remember which one said it).

Good draft hand overall, but my ghod what a way to burn pick 2 in the draft for a bunch of picks outside the top 10.
I also wonder if 11 pushes us out of the 2nd tier talent (McKenzie, Humphrey, Tsatas, Philipou, Clark) and towards the 3rd tier in this draft cohort.

Otherwise 8 for 11 and F2 (pick 32-36 before academy/FS/Norf compo selections if Bulldogs get their act together)

 

[Nuffington Post]

Interview with WA talent manager Adam Jones



No surprises but mentions Ginbey will be the first WA player taken (top 10), followed by Busslinger then Hewett and Allan.


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[darksquare]

I also wonder if 11 pushes us out of the 2nd tier talent (McKenzie, Humphrey, Tsatas, Philipou, Clark) and towards the 3rd tier in this draft cohort.

This is why 8/9 is a sweet spot. We'll have great options there, and I'd rather not trade back further. Any of the 5 players you've mentioned there have the capacity to overtake the top 5, too.

 

[archiemoses]

Which of the draftees had really strong under 16s form before missing a lot through injuries?

That is ROBs first pick.