List Mgmt. Christmas comes early (Nov 28 - 19 sleeps) - Draftee discussion

[Keys]

Link to draft picks held by each club

 

[Balls In]

So what's our contingency in the ruck, are we intending that Nic plays indefinitely?

 

[bzparkes]

So what's our contingency in the ruck, are we intending that Nic plays indefinitely?

Well, we already have Williams/Jameison and Nisbett said they've spoken to a few younger players but need things to fall the club's way, in relation to the draft.

Spoke with Meek but he wanted to go back to Melbourne. Clearly a priority for the club but you can't simply make things happen just because you want them to.

 

[Nuffington Post]

Well, we already have Williams/Jameison and Nisbett said they've spoken to a few younger players but need things to fall the club's way, in relation to the draft.

Spoke with Meek but he wanted to go back to Melbourne. Clearly a priority for the club but you can't simply make things happen just because you want them to.

You’d think we would end up with either Barnett or Broadbent


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[CountryLad]

At pick 8, what 7 players do I expect to be off the board before we pick? I am ignoring Ashcroft.

Based on the current clubs retaining their picks, here is how I see it going

• Cadman is a lock for GWS
• Wardlaw likewise for Norf
• Norf have a choice between Tstatas and Sheezel - I expect they go Sheezel but without confidence
• Dons are next - they could go the balance of Sheezel or Tsatas, they could go Busslinger, Ginbey or Phillipou
• Gold Coast could play cute but the more I think about it, the more Hollands is the obvious answer. It locks away 2 brothers who will happily be together at a club that find it hard to keep players. Forget Ginbey - they have Rowell and Miller. Forget Busslinger - the have ample talls and 2 more top end talls from the academy next year. It is early but it really should be Hollands. Lock it in Eddy.
• Hawks are going hard for Mackenzie, with Clark as a fall back
• Cats likely to go Clark and if gone, may go Busslinger or Mackenzie

The 6 definite players that I predict will be gone before our pick are

• Cadman
• Wadlaw
• Sheezel
• Hollands
• Mackenzie
• Clark

The 4 possibly gone are

• Tsatas
• Phillipou
• Ginbey
• Busslinger

=> meaning 3 of Tsatas, Phillipou, Ginbey and Busslinger are likely to be there for us at 8.

Who might want to jump up before 8 and who would they take?
A club trading up to get one of my "definite 6" players makes not difference so no need to speculate. Effect is the same.

What players might warrant jumping up for?
Phillipou, Tsatas, Busslinger and Humphries are the 4 players I can see that offer enough points of difference.

Who has the currency? Without selling a future R1, I see it as limited to the two Sydney teams and the Doggies with 11 and 21.

I can see GWS and Sydney wanting Humphries. Tsatas is also a possibility for both clubs.
What would Sydney get for 14 and 17? Not enough for Essendon at 4. I can't see Hawks missing out on Mackenzie. Likewise Cats on Clark. Gold Coast would be ill advised to run the risk of sliding back to get Hollands as I rank him at the 10 to 15 mark and 14 becomes risky. So I cannot see Sydney getting in before us.

What about GWS. They hold picks 15, 18 and 19. Would Essendon take 15, 18, 19 and 31 for 4, 22 and a future R3? That would enable them at least 2 (and possibly 3) picks prior to a bid on Davey. Holding the picks that might be bid on Davey is also comforting. I cannot see Sydney bidding on Davey and Pies are the only club in that cluster that could upset the plan.

Doggies - I believe they will let the draft come to them.

In terms of Busslinger, Hayes as a later KPD will e a great second choice so not likely see any club ready to pay a high premium.

I can see a world where Carlton might be prepared to sell out of R1 and take a future R1. That might be in a team like Melbourne in at 10 (so after our first pick).

That all leads me to think that the manoeuvring on draft night is going to be fun to watch. I expect there will be a slider for us at 8 and we might be challenged with a decent offer.


What would you prefer?

Let the draft come to us and hold with
8 - Ginbey
12 - Hewett
20 - Barnett
26 - Clarke

Deal with Sydney
12 - Hewett
14 - Hollands
17 - Hotton
20 - Barnett

Agree with a lot of what your saying.

I personally think the Saints may try to jump up to 5 to grab McKenzie(academy) or Tsatas. Ross the boss said he wants speed. They could offer up 9 & Future 2nd for Suns pick 5.
Would suit the suns if they want Hollands at pick 9 plus a future 2nd.

 

[eagles rule]

Hey guys,
Sorry for the intrusion.
On the Hawthorn board, we did a mock draft and I had West Coast.
With the 4 picks, I took

B. Humphrey
D. Jones
E. Hewett
H. Hustwaite

Good/bad?

What`s your take on Humphrey and why he would suit WCE ?

 

[Opposite Kids]

At pick 8, what 7 players do I expect to be off the board before we pick? I am ignoring Ashcroft.

Based on the current clubs retaining their picks, here is how I see it going

• Cadman is a lock for GWS
• Wardlaw likewise for Norf
• Norf have a choice between Tstatas and Sheezel - I expect they go Sheezel but without confidence
• Dons are next - they could go the balance of Sheezel or Tsatas, they could go Busslinger, Ginbey or Phillipou
• Gold Coast could play cute but the more I think about it, the more Hollands is the obvious answer. It locks away 2 brothers who will happily be together at a club that find it hard to keep players. Forget Ginbey - they have Rowell and Miller. Forget Busslinger - the have ample talls and 2 more top end talls from the academy next year. It is early but it really should be Hollands. Lock it in Eddy.
• Hawks are going hard for Mackenzie, with Clark as a fall back
• Cats likely to go Clark and if gone, may go Busslinger or Mackenzie

The 6 definite players that I predict will be gone before our pick are

• Cadman
• Wadlaw
• Sheezel
• Hollands
• Mackenzie
• Clark

The 4 possibly gone are

• Tsatas
• Phillipou
• Ginbey
• Busslinger

=> meaning 3 of Tsatas, Phillipou, Ginbey and Busslinger are likely to be there for us at 8.

Who might want to jump up before 8 and who would they take?
A club trading up to get one of my "definite 6" players makes not difference so no need to speculate. Effect is the same.

What players might warrant jumping up for?
Phillipou, Tsatas, Busslinger and Humphries are the 4 players I can see that offer enough points of difference.

Who has the currency? Without selling a future R1, I see it as limited to the two Sydney teams and the Doggies with 11 and 21.

I can see GWS and Sydney wanting Humphries. Tsatas is also a possibility for both clubs.
What would Sydney get for 14 and 17? Not enough for Essendon at 4. I can't see Hawks missing out on Mackenzie. Likewise Cats on Clark. Gold Coast would be ill advised to run the risk of sliding back to get Hollands as I rank him at the 10 to 15 mark and 14 becomes risky. So I cannot see Sydney getting in before us.

What about GWS. They hold picks 15, 18 and 19. Would Essendon take 15, 18, 19 and 31 for 4, 22 and a future R3? That would enable them at least 2 (and possibly 3) picks prior to a bid on Davey. Holding the picks that might be bid on Davey is also comforting. I cannot see Sydney bidding on Davey and Pies are the only club in that cluster that could upset the plan.

Doggies - I believe they will let the draft come to them.

In terms of Busslinger, Hayes as a later KPD will e a great second choice so not likely see any club ready to pay a high premium.

I can see a world where Carlton might be prepared to sell out of R1 and take a future R1. That might be in a team like Melbourne in at 10 (so after our first pick).

That all leads me to think that the manoeuvring on draft night is going to be fun to watch. I expect there will be a slider for us at 8 and we might be challenged with a decent offer.


What would you prefer?

Let the draft come to us and hold with
8 - Ginbey
12 - Hewett
20 - Barnett
26 - Clarke

Deal with Sydney
12 - Hewett
14 - Hollands
17 - Hotton
20 - Barnett

Sorry I’m confused… great reading but if we deal with Sydney - in your proposed draft at 14 we pick Hollands but you have said earlier that GC will pick him at 5? Have I missed something ?

 

[Keys]

Interesting, as an aside the much maligned (on here) Swans Academy is a user (kids and parents pay fees and purchase all gear) pays programme that returns a significant profit to the Swans so it would not impact the soft cap. Good management I guess. Compare and contrast with WC?

I didnt suggest the WC would or should. But generating significant income, bonding/loyalty and an insight into the AFL potential of 1000's of developing kids through professional staff (Leon Cameron Leads the Swans Academy) isn't a dumb move. The Swans open the academy to all juniors and then they progressively cull the numbers.


This was a response to a suggestion by another that the Cats mentor juniors to develop a loyalty link that impacts drafting.

The Swans do the same thing but on an industrial scale.

WC pay good money to support community causes, the Swans make good money through wide scale tallent identification and indoctrination. Compare and contrast?

Where did you get the information that the Swans make a profit from their academy?

I was surprised by this so looked into it a little as I had assumed it was something that cost them to run with the benefit being preferential access to any talent it produces. So far they’ve done pretty well out of it

Official AFL Website of the Sydney Swans Football Club. All the latest news, videos, results and information.

Official AFL Website of the Sydney Swans Football Club

www.sydneyswans.com.au

From this it says they train about 800 players a year - 500 male/300 female with more involved at younger ages as you’ve indicated

There 90 coaching and conditioning staff across 9 locations across NSW

Admission is via open trials for kids aged 10-12 thereabouts or for older kids by invite if performances at junior level bring them to the clubs attention

If selected the cost is $475 for boys and $250 for girls. Quick maths based on the numbers enrolled gives an annual income of $312,500 from fees

Even allowing for some or all of those 90 staff to be part time I don’t think they cost less than $300k

So I googled “Does the Sydney Swans academy make a profit”

The $10 million investment reaping rewards for the Swans

Errol Gulden, along with Swans academy alumni Isaac Heeney and Callum Mills, is part of a new breed which has many at the club excited for the future.

www.theage.com.au

“Sydney are reaping the rewards from a $10 million-plus investment into their academy,”

“The 27-week program, which costs about $1 million to run,”

We pay a 'heavy price': Swans hit back after Academy queries

Sydney defends Academy, Isaac Heeney says there's more to it than the big names

www.afl.com.au

“Harley was strong in his defence of the Academy system, explaining the club invests more than $1 million a year”

The Swans’ secret sauce: youth developed through its academy

Callum Mills, Isaac Heeney, Nick Blakey and Errol Gulden are all products of the Swans Academy, which remains controversial among some Melburnians.

www.afr.com

“The program is also expensive at more than $1 million a season – more than the Swans have been paying Lance Franklin. Much of the funding comes from corporate support from insurer and club sponsor QBE.”


So they’ve spent $10m to set it up and has a running cost of around $1m per year, which is offset to a degree by corporate funding

It’s hardly making good money

There was also this

“The Swans declined to make club officials available to talk about the academy this week. But insiders say it forms part of a larger culture around identifying and developing talent, including astute scouting beyond the academy led by general manager of list strategy and recruitment Kinnear Beatson.”

The academy is a key plank of talent identification and recruitment that they can afford to sink money into because they have preferential access to any results.

No mention of whether these costs form part of the football department soft cap but if I was putting money on it, I’ll bet it doesn’t

Now we could do the same thing and piss away $1m a year for no result as any talent identified could be taken by any other club, including Sydney

Anyone who says Sydney doesn’t get a clear advantage from their academy is deluded

 

[DanWCE]

Sorry I’m confused… great reading but if we deal with Sydney - in your proposed draft at 14 we pick Hollands but you have said earlier that GC will pick him at 5? Have I missed something ?

Yeah this had stumped me too.

But if GC are at risk of reaching for Hollands, what would it cost us to trade up, and is it worth it to do so?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Agree with a lot of what your saying.

I personally think the Saints may try to jump up to 5 to grab McKenzie(academy) or Tsatas. Ross the boss said he wants speed. They could offer up 9 & Future 2nd for Suns pick 5.
Would suit the suns if they want Hollands at pick 9 plus a future 2nd.

This would definitely appeal to suns, I recon 99%. A future second will be highly valued for all the points they need for the academy kids.

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[StateOE]

I dont think GC necessarily draft Hollands with his brother as a reason.

They had a chance to draft both Kings but instead opted for lukosius if I recall correctly.

 

[Keys]

I dont think GC necessarily draft Hollands with his brother as a reason.

They had a chance to draft both Kings but instead opted for lukosius if I recall correctly.

The Kings were both tall forwards and it’s unlikely they’d be able to play in the same side together without getting in each other’s way

Two brothers who are midfielders is a bit of a different situation

 

[kane249]

The Kings were both tall forwards and it’s unlikely they’d be able to play in the same side together without getting in each other’s way

Two brothers who are midfielders is a bit of a different situation

Ben played down back and Max up forward when they used to play in the same side together

But there was no way they were passing up Lukosius at number 2 so it's moot anyway. Lukosius was in the mix for the number 1 pick that year.

 

[CountryLad]

This would definitely appeal to suns, I recon 99%. A future second will be highly valued for all the points they need for the academy kids.

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If it happened then the top 10 of the draft could look like this.

1 Ashcroft
2 Cadman
3 Sheezle
4 Wardlaw
5 Tsatas
6 McKenzie (Saints swap with Suns)
7 Clarke
8 Busslinger
9 Poo or Ginbey
10 Hollands (Suns)

Would the Cats go Buss? Would the Hawks go Clarke?
Phillipou is a Smokey he could go to the Bombers ,Hawks or Cats in this scenario.

Would still leave Humphrey, Hewitt, and either Ginbey or the Poo outside the top 10.

Other prospects that could jump up in the draft are Jefferson next best key Forward, Hayes next best key back and Barnett best ruck option.

Cats ( if Clarke is gone before there pick) Blues and Dogs are hard to gauge as to what they will be looking for. Will it be one of the mids or talls.

 

[maxrm]

Phillipou continues to be linked to us here and there, and I love it!
Ashcroft, Cadman, Wardlaw and Sheezel looking increasingly likely.
Essendon is a tough one to place, supposedly keen on Tsatas, Humphrey, Phillipou and Ginbey.
Gold Coast and Ginbey very possible... the aforementioned and Hollands all in the frame.
Mackenzie to Hawks certainly makes a lot of sense, can imagine Mitchell would love him. Clark a good chance too. Although if he gets through to the Cats you'd certainly expect them to snap him up.

With this in mind, my phantom for now would be (starting from Essendon)...
5. Humphrey (could probably swap him out for Tsatas and the order below would stay the same?)
6. Ginbey to GC
7. Mackenzie to Hawks
8. Clark to Cats

Leaves us with the choice of Tsatas, Phillipou, and Busslinger as our most likely selections.
My preference would be Phillipou, Tsatas, and then Busslinger due to our needs and the high potential of Phillipou.

9. Phillipou to WCE
10. Tsatas to STK (imagine they would be stoked with either Tsatas or Mackenzie here!)

11 and 12 I find difficult to place. Hollands, Jefferson, and Busslinger all possibilities, although I wouldn't expect the Blues or Dogs to take a KPF? In which case Jefferson to the Dees makes sense. If Busslinger slips through to 12 I feel it's likely we take him, otherwise I think we'll jump on Hewitt. Allan a definitely possibility but hopefully he makes it through to 20. Then again, if West Coast is keen on both, it's not out of the question that they believe Hewitt is actually more likely to slide to 20...

My dream scenario...
1. Phillipou, Busslinger, Hewitt, Allan
Great balance and immense potential! But would need a bit of luck to fall our way... Also a big fan of Hotton, George, Jones and Barnett with our third and fourth picks.
I like Ginbey but would prefer GC take him, leaving us with Phillipou or possibly Mackenzie, Clark or Humphrey.

Will be intriguing to see how things play out from here but we're certainly well positioned for a bumper haul!

 

[ziad]

Where did you get the information that the Swans make a profit from their academy?

I was surprised by this so looked into it a little as I had assumed it was something that cost them to run with the benefit being preferential access to any talent it produces. So far they’ve done pretty well out of it

Official AFL Website of the Sydney Swans Football Club. All the latest news, videos, results and information.

Official AFL Website of the Sydney Swans Football Club

www.sydneyswans.com.au

From this it says they train about 800 players a year - 500 male/300 female with more involved at younger ages as you’ve indicated

There 90 coaching and conditioning staff across 9 locations across NSW

Admission is via open trials for kids aged 10-12 thereabouts or for older kids by invite if performances at junior level bring them to the clubs attention

If selected the cost is $475 for boys and $250 for girls. Quick maths based on the numbers enrolled gives an annual income of $312,500 from fees

Even allowing for some or all of those 90 staff to be part time I don’t think they cost less than $300k

So I googled “Does the Sydney Swans academy make a profit”

The $10 million investment reaping rewards for the Swans

Errol Gulden, along with Swans academy alumni Isaac Heeney and Callum Mills, is part of a new breed which has many at the club excited for the future.

www.theage.com.au

“Sydney are reaping the rewards from a $10 million-plus investment into their academy,”

“The 27-week program, which costs about $1 million to run,”

We pay a 'heavy price': Swans hit back after Academy queries

Sydney defends Academy, Isaac Heeney says there's more to it than the big names

www.afl.com.au

“Harley was strong in his defence of the Academy system, explaining the club invests more than $1 million a year”

The Swans’ secret sauce: youth developed through its academy

Callum Mills, Isaac Heeney, Nick Blakey and Errol Gulden are all products of the Swans Academy, which remains controversial among some Melburnians.

www.afr.com

“The program is also expensive at more than $1 million a season – more than the Swans have been paying Lance Franklin. Much of the funding comes from corporate support from insurer and club sponsor QBE.”


So they’ve spent $10m to set it up and has a running cost of around $1m per year, which is offset to a degree by corporate funding

It’s hardly making good money

There was also this

“The Swans declined to make club officials available to talk about the academy this week. But insiders say it forms part of a larger culture around identifying and developing talent, including astute scouting beyond the academy led by general manager of list strategy and recruitment Kinnear Beatson.”

The academy is a key plank of talent identification and recruitment that they can afford to sink money into because they have preferential access to any results.

No mention of whether these costs form part of the football department soft cap but if I was putting money on it, I’ll bet it doesn’t

Now we could do the same thing and piss away $1m a year for no result as any talent identified could be taken by any other club, including Sydney

Anyone who says Sydney doesn’t get a clear advantage from their academy is deluded

Information - AFL Teams meetings to Junior Club coordinators - Your figures are a bit off from my understanding. As for your final point - Anyone who says Sydney doesn’t get a clear advantage from their academy is deluded.

LOL - that the point of it. No charities etc.

 

[JohnW]

So what's our contingency in the ruck, are we intending that Nic plays indefinitely?

Would bet english comes home as a free agent. Play nic next year, limp throught the year after and start contending with the giant q tip

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[SumaGodCoach]

My write up lifted from the gosaints mock draft.

West Coast Write up

Instead of telling you all that Phillipou is good above his head and that Burgiel runs really fast, I figured I would go through my plan before the draft began. With 4 picks inside the top 30, my ideal makeup of those 4 picks was as follows:

2 Midfielders - we don't have a midfield
1 Tall - Kennedy just retired and Darling will in the next few years
1 Miscellaneous - could be a small forward, rebounding defender or another midfielder

My draft board for pick 9 was 1: Phillipou 2: MacKenzie 3: Clark 4: Busslinger

With pick 9 West Coast selects Mattaes Phillipou

I've been a massive Phillipou fan all year and the main reason I rated him highest on my board for pick 9 was his incredibly high ceiling. After splitting pick 2, I feel that we should take the risk and reach for the stars with this pick. I rate MacKenzie really close to Phillipou and would have been happy with him instead.

Knowing that Busslinger wouldn't make it past the Western Bulldogs my draft board for pick 13 was 1: Ginbey 2: Hewitt 3: Hollands

With pick 13 West Coast selects Elijah Hewitt

Taken as the best available midfielder here. I wanted to take 2 midfielders with our first 2 picks as it would give me the flexibility to be able to target players in any position with our picks in the 20's.

I really wanted a tall with pick 21 so my draft board for this pick was 1: Barnett 2: Keeler. If both players were taken before 21 I would re-assess.

With pick 21 West Coast selects Isaac Keeler

With an all mighty roll of the dice, we've gone and taken 2 of the riskiest high ceiling players in the draft in Phillipou and Keeler. More than happy to take that risk because if it pays off we could end up with an elite list rather than a middle of the road one.

After taking 2 mids and a tall, I wanted to take a genuine small forward with the next pick. However, I would be happy to take another midfielder. Draft board for pick 29 1: Clarke 2: Allan 3: Burgiel

With pick 29 West Coast selects Coby Burgiel

We lack pace and I can see Burgiel playing a high half forward role for us at the next level. Didn't end up with the genuine small forward type, but Burgiel is a good consolation prize.

 

[briztoon]

Interesting, as an aside the much maligned (on here) Swans Academy is a user (kids and parents pay fees and purchase all gear) pays programme that returns a significant profit to the Swans so it would not impact the soft cap. Good management I guess. Compare and contrast with WC?

The northern academies are run outside the soft cap, as far as I'm aware. QBE also sponsor Sydneys academy to the tune of $1.2 million a year the last I heard.

Every northern academy is user pays as far as I'm aware.

Seeing as we (the Lions) don't have a sponsor for our academy (or at least a known/recognisable one), the club goes cap in hand to members every year, asking for donations.

 

[Keys]

Information - AFL Teams meetings to Junior Club coordinators - Your figures are a bit off from my understanding. As for your final point - Anyone who says Sydney doesn’t get a clear advantage from their academy is deluded.

LOL - that the point of it. No charities etc.

My information is from three separate news articles one of which attributes the cost of $1m per year directly from Tom Harley so they’re not my figures but from the club itself. I’m taking those as being more accurate than something you heard from a junior club coordinator

Your point seems to be that WCE are missing out by not making similar money from an academy style program yet it costs money not makes money and they have a direct benefit from that spend that’s unavailable to West Coast

It’s pointless us doing similar

 

[Dark Sharks]

Surely you'd think Cockburn would be downright hunting Peel boy Broadbent. No rucks on their list other than Darcy and Bennett now Meek is gone. Jackson the dopey kent doesn't count.

 

[briztoon]

The biggest issue is that WA has a strong colts system and a schools scholarship that develops kids, how would an eagles academy function with that? Sydney doesn't have anything like that.

Believe it or not, but the northern states do have their own state based leagues. And these clubs do have colts. That's where kids used to be picked from, before the academies arrived.

I can't speak for NSW, but the Brisbane based QAFL clubs really don't like the Brisbane academy, and the generall comment from the QAFL clubs is that the academy does not offer elite level training above what the kids receive at colts/reserves/senior level. It's even hard for the Brisbane academy to run an elite program because of the distances involved for kids to travel, so it runs zones, with each zone having a squad, and of course some zones are stronger than others. Then there's a common complaint from the QAFL clubs, that the academy scouts every year miss out on inviting some of the better talent to join the academy.

At this years U15 School Sports Australia championships, there was some surprise on the QAFL board, when the second best QLD kid (and in the Lions academy zone) in the age group wasn't selected in the team. The Lions academy ended up having 4 kids in U15 AA team, including the tournament mvp who was a bottom age kid.

 

[briztoon]

At pick 8, what 7 players do I expect to be off the board before we pick? I am ignoring Ashcroft.

Based on the current clubs retaining their picks, here is how I see it going

• Cadman is a lock for GWS
• Wardlaw likewise for Norf
• Norf have a choice between Tstatas and Sheezel - I expect they go Sheezel but without confidence
• Dons are next - they could go the balance of Sheezel or Tsatas, they could go Busslinger, Ginbey or Phillipou
• Gold Coast could play cute but the more I think about it, the more Hollands is the obvious answer. It locks away 2 brothers who will happily be together at a club that find it hard to keep players. Forget Ginbey - they have Rowell and Miller. Forget Busslinger - the have ample talls and 2 more top end talls from the academy next year. It is early but it really should be Hollands. Lock it in Eddy.
• Hawks are going hard for Mackenzie, with Clark as a fall back
• Cats likely to go Clark and if gone, may go Busslinger or Mackenzie

The 6 definite players that I predict will be gone before our pick are

• Cadman
• Wadlaw
• Sheezel
• Hollands
• Mackenzie
• Clark

The 4 possibly gone are

• Tsatas
• Phillipou
• Ginbey
• Busslinger

=> meaning 3 of Tsatas, Phillipou, Ginbey and Busslinger are likely to be there for us at 8.

Who might want to jump up before 8 and who would they take?
A club trading up to get one of my "definite 6" players makes not difference so no need to speculate. Effect is the same.

What players might warrant jumping up for?
Phillipou, Tsatas, Busslinger and Humphries are the 4 players I can see that offer enough points of difference.

Who has the currency? Without selling a future R1, I see it as limited to the two Sydney teams and the Doggies with 11 and 21.

I can see GWS and Sydney wanting Humphries. Tsatas is also a possibility for both clubs.
What would Sydney get for 14 and 17? Not enough for Essendon at 4. I can't see Hawks missing out on Mackenzie. Likewise Cats on Clark. Gold Coast would be ill advised to run the risk of sliding back to get Hollands as I rank him at the 10 to 15 mark and 14 becomes risky. So I cannot see Sydney getting in before us.

What about GWS. They hold picks 15, 18 and 19. Would Essendon take 15, 18, 19 and 31 for 4, 22 and a future R3? That would enable them at least 2 (and possibly 3) picks prior to a bid on Davey. Holding the picks that might be bid on Davey is also comforting. I cannot see Sydney bidding on Davey and Pies are the only club in that cluster that could upset the plan.

Doggies - I believe they will let the draft come to them.

In terms of Busslinger, Hayes as a later KPD will e a great second choice so not likely see any club ready to pay a high premium.

I can see a world where Carlton might be prepared to sell out of R1 and take a future R1. That might be in a team like Melbourne in at 10 (so after our first pick).

That all leads me to think that the manoeuvring on draft night is going to be fun to watch. I expect there will be a slider for us at 8 and we might be challenged with a decent offer.


What would you prefer?

Let the draft come to us and hold with
8 - Ginbey
12 - Hewett
20 - Barnett
26 - Clarke

Deal with Sydney
12 - Hewett
14 - Hollands
17 - Hotton
20 - Barnett

Rumour is that North have already told Sheezel and Wardlaw that they will be selecting them.

 

[JDWCE]

My write up lifted from the gosaints mock draft.

I’d cum in peace if this happened

 

[SumaGodCoach]

I’d cum in peace if this happened

I forgive the intrusion.

 

[Keys]

Surely you'd think Cockburn would be downright hunting Peel boy Broadbent. No rucks on their list other than Darcy and Bennett now Meek is gone. Jackson the dopey kent doesn't count.

Between our picks 26 and 78, Fremantle have 30,44,67,76 so could easily take him with one of those two late picks

I was hopeful we might be able to get him with our first pick in the RD but unless Fremantle take another ruck it seems unlikely he’ll be there

Trading our F4 to get in before Freo at 67 would be the best way to get him if that’s what we were thinking