List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  26

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

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  M/F

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  12.3

  3star

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  6.9

  3star

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  5.4

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  M

  2.8

  3star

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  2.9

  4star

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  1.4

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  12.7

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  2.7

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  1.8

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  4.6

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  2.0

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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Or 9…

Oscar Allen 196cm
Jack Darling 191cm
Jake Waterman 192cm
Ryan Maric 196cm
Bailey Williams 201cm
Jack Williams 198cm
Archer Reid 203cm
Jack Hutchinson 190cm
Coen Livingstone 200cm

Good. Now we need to turn some of them into swing men. I mean gov was supposed to be a key forward initially wasn't he?

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

How many times have you watched him play mate? Any thoughts?

Not once did I say its to do with his talent or ability. Its to do with the fact we have many competing for the same role he plays

 

[stallon]

Even though it looks like a lot of forwards when broken down to AFL / WAFL potential lineups it's not bad at all.

Oscar Allen 196cm - AFL - CHF
Jack Darling 191cm - AFL (for now 3rd Tall)
Jake Waterman 192cm - AFL - FF
Ryan Maric 196cm - AFL / WAFL - Mid size fwd
Bailey Williams 201cm - AFL - 2nd Ruck / Resting Fwd

Youve put 5 tall forwards in the squad. Most clubs like to run 3 with one of them being the backup ruck.
Too many talls and you lack pressure, and you could only fit realistically 2 small forwards and a resting mid into the forward rotation with that many talls.
At least 1 of them has to be left out for sure, or a role change

 

[Ljp86]

Norf could just stack all of their mids on top of one another to create a mega giga tall forward.

 

[twce13]

We are also gathering a bunch of kids from country Victoria - Chesser, Long, both Reids, Johnston, Maric, Burgiel and Culley off the top of my head

Not sure id call culley (langwarrin) or Johnston (mordiallic) country victoria.. they are all within the metropolitan of melbourne.

But your point remains, were not shying away from taking kids from victoria, nor should we.

 

[twce13]

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Nekminnit harley ground pounds the stack into oblivion

 

[Rowan18]

It’s like he had to make a website about his hobbies for a school project and then enjoyed it so much he thought he’d market himself a bit

I'll back him purely as a marketing exercise. Completely cringe, but he got himself on a list, so good on him.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Youve put 5 tall forwards in the squad. Most clubs like to run 3 with one of them being the backup ruck.
Too many talls and you lack pressure, and you could only fit realistically 2 small forwards and a resting mid into the forward rotation with that many talls.
At least 1 of them has to be left out for sure, or a role change

And even then he forgot Liam Ryan… I mean technically we could easily go with

Maric, Allen, Ryan
Williams, Waterman, Darling

 

[twce13]

I'll back him purely as a marketing exercise. Completely cringe, but he got himself on a list, so good on him.

No doubt his new team mates will get wind of it and be a nice ice breaker with him and the group. No harm no foul.

 

[UseR2006]

And even then he forgot Liam Ryan… I mean technically we could easily go with

Maric, Allen, Ryan
Williams, Waterman, Darling

Didn't forget at all, didn't included the smalls as the OP was more regarding too many talls.
We're probably 2 talls too many but JD will be done soon and having some cover for potential injuries is always good.
Plus if we are planning to turn some of them to the backline then it isn't too bad.

 

[MrKennedy17]

Youve put 5 tall forwards in the squad. Most clubs like to run 3 with one of them being the backup ruck.
Too many talls and you lack pressure, and you could only fit realistically 2 small forwards and a resting mid into the forward rotation with that many talls.
At least 1 of them has to be left out for sure, or a role change

Exactly

Lockett Lockett Lockett
Lockett Locket Liam Ryan

 

[Obeanie1]

Andrew Embley

Andrew Embley

Age

43

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.1

4star

K

11.6

4star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

2.2

4star

CL

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.8

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

0.4

3star

size.

High flying goal kicking winger sounds ok.

He is 22yrs old so likely stopped growing height wise. Puts on a few kgs and off he goes.

 

[MrKennedy17]

And even then he forgot Liam Ryan… I mean technically we could easily go with

Maric, Allen, Ryan
Williams, Waterman, Darling

Then you got Culley, Petch, Long, Hewett, Cripps etc

 

[garlic munchers]

So at a minimum, our Beagles get stronger and a number of WAFL competitors get weaker?

Noice

 

[Hoskin300]

Even though it looks like a lot of forwards when broken down to AFL / WAFL potential lineups it's not bad at all.

Oscar Allen 196cm - AFL - CHF
Jack Darling 191cm - AFL (for now 3rd Tall)
Jake Waterman 192cm - AFL - FF
Ryan Maric 196cm - AFL / WAFL - Mid size fwd
Bailey Williams 201cm - AFL - 2nd Ruck / Resting Fwd

Jack Williams 198cm - WAFL / AFL - CHF / Pinch Ruck.
Archer Reid 203cm - WAFL - FF
Jack Hutchinson 190cm - WAFL - Mid size Fwd
Coen Livingstone 200cm - WAFL - Forward / 2nd Ruck.

Might have some of this wrong but it's looking like a nice bunch of solid forwards for the now and some good depth developing in the WAFL for once.

It’s a nice bunch of forwards at the expense of other areas of our list.

 

[Hoskin300]

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Do you genuinely think the AFL mid season draft is anything more than throwing darts at a dart board blindfolded?

It’s like picking ‘best available’ at pick 40 in the actual draft.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Do you genuinely think the AFL mid season draft is anything more than throwing darts at a dart board blindfolded?

I mean, it has to be more than that. Otherwise why bother involving the recruiting team at all? Just pluck a name out of a hat.

 

[Cuzz09]

Maric is deceivingly tall.

Hutchinson looked taller just watching video

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[maverick001]

Hutchinson mentioned in a radio interview his manager Scott Lucas told him he would be likely heading west.
We could be building a nice relationship with Lucas, he also manages Flynn and an interesting side note he manages Perryman too

Nice observation

 

[maverick001]

So at a minimum, our Beagles get stronger and a number of WAFL competitors get weaker?

Noice

This is our mastermind strategy for the Beagles. Underperform for first half of the year to protect players from getting poached, then steam home in second half of year as the oppo lose players

 

[amazingjoshy]

Do you genuinely think the AFL mid season draft is anything more than throwing darts at a dart board blindfolded?

It’s like picking ‘best available’ at pick 40 in the actual draft.

If its a total crapshoot, why melt about not drafting a defender who most likely, in your own words, won't make it anyway?

If (in the recruiters opinion) someone is clearly more talented than everyone else available, even at pick 40, i have no issue with picking them

(I haven't seen a second of any of these guys not playing WAFL but our recruiters clearly rated this guy the best talent available at our pick judging by the statement put out)

 

[FKASC]

we also don’t really know how relevant this ‘medium forward’ tag even is, considering he was playing country footy up until recently. He was probably just pigeon holed there because he was 190 cm (shorter than heaps of midfielders these days).

He’s apparently fast, so in reality his height is meaningless with regard to what position he plays at AFL level. If he was a plodder then you’d be justified in being concerned about being lumped with a Ben McKinley

Ben Mckinley

Age

37

Ht

185cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.3

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.4

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

3.0

5star

when we already have Waterman, Maric etc.

His highlights suggest he’s zippy and attacks the ball enough to be pretty versatile

 

[Hoskin300]

If its a total crapshoot, why melt about not drafting a defender who most likely, in your own words, won't make it anyway?

If (in the recruiters opinion) someone is clearly more talented than everyone else available, even at pick 40, i have no issue with picking them

(I haven't seen a second of any of these guys not playing WAFL but our recruiters clearly rated this guy the best talent available at our pick judging by the statement put out)

You are right it doesn’t really matter at all in the grand scheme of things.

It’s more just our drafting process that’s frustrating. You can’t just keep picking best available however if it makes your list unbalanced and hurts the players development.

Our recruiters also decided will Collins was best available in a mid season draft. Our talent identification sucks at times.

 

[Hoskin300]

I mean, it has to be more than that. Otherwise why bother involving the recruiting team at all? Just pluck a name out of a hat.

Is there any evidence to suggest it’s much more than that?

Noble pick 14. Durham pick 11. Pickett pick 13 have the most games played.

High picks doing well are Maric pick 1, Newcombe pick 3 and d’ambrosio pick 3.

The curve is pretty flat for games played and pick selection in mid season drafts. You can see that looking at 2019 and 2021 drafts.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Is there any evidence to suggest it’s much more than that?

Noble pick 14. Durham pick 11. Pickett pick 13 have the most games played.

High picks doing well are Maric pick 1, Newcombe pick 3 and d’ambrosio pick 3.

The curve is pretty flat for games played and pick selection in mid season drafts. You can see that looking at 2019 and 2021 drafts.

Our top three games record holders are Hurn pick 13, Cox rookie draft and Darling pick 26, so by your logic the whole draft system is basically a blind throw at a dartboard.