List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  26

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[ghostbat12]

He is a young kid making his way in the game in a tougher environment than most kids. Hopefully when Sheed comes back Chesser, Reid and Ginbey will all get stints on the inside at HBF and HFF flank for a bit of confidence and to see what best suits each player. These kids should still be learning different crafts of the game.

Sure. But he needs to learn a craft before learning crafts. At the moment he can’t keep his place. Throwing him around only confuses the crap out of him when he can barely get a touch.

Needs good 5 weeks in wafl to get the consistency. He doesn’t even know what he is good at with his 5 possessions a game.

 

[mattyc75]

Imagine drafting a youngster as a mid who can play ,well,in the midfield ..
Not that interested in terms like big bodied mid, athletic beast or midfield potential
I want to hear terms like leather poisoning, footy smarts etc
Reid might be the man to lead our midfield but even in the juniors he was a jack of all trades.


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[MeltMan]

Sorry, im not sure where this question belongs.
Because i was curious as to what they would say, i brought up the should $$$ mean no prio picks on a dumb comedy footy podcast.
Their making it into a bit solution was that buying picks from clubs to help all the teams in debt.
Has AFL ever considered being able to use money with pick trades?
What is the amount of money they would have to limit to?
Clubs would have to agree to it clearly.
2.5 mil for top 5? 2 for 6-10?
5 mil pick 1, 4.5 pick 2, 4 pick 3 going to a minimum of 500k?
probably a million different reasons not to do it, but in my head it helps St kilda, or GCS or GWS who might need cash, and us who need solid top 20 picks

 

[Deepthroat]

Adam D'Aloia​

About to turn 20.

Ball magnet.

32 possessions in first game on the weekend.

One to keep an eye on for late May.

 

[Obeanie1]

Paying for Tim English is the stupidest thing we could possibly do.

We need a ruckman, not a ‘great runner for his size’ midfielder. Bailey gave him a bath in the ruck and at the contest. English gave him a bath running off him, and kicked two goals when swung up forward. Bailey missed his when swung forward. Bailey ate at clearances, our mids ate at stoppages for the first time all year, English got four more touches and made his swings forward count.

I’m thrilled for him. You don’t pay for that. It’s great if you happen to draft it, you don’t spend a dime on it if not.

If we’re breaking the bank for someone you get a ready to go KPF or add another mid. Giving up any amount of top line cash or assets for a gimmicky ruck who hurts you in unique midfield ways but can’t do the service stuff we actually need will set us back a decade. People cry about some late firsts for Tim Kelly, boy oh boy do I look forward to the discourse five years on from the English spend.

Sure spending salary cap on English as a free agent will set us back like the Tim Kelly trade.

Great argument. Not.

You are happy to spend it on a K6P forward or mid but not on a 200cm KP tall who plays like a mid but also can play ruck. And a free agent costing no picks. And yes rhe only way we would consider him is as a free agent.

Your points contradict each other.

 

[briztoon]

Sorry, im not sure where this question belongs.
Because i was curious as to what they would say, i brought up the should $$$ mean no prio picks on a dumb comedy footy podcast.
Their making it into a bit solution was that buying picks from clubs to help all the teams in debt.
Has AFL ever considered being able to use money with pick trades?
What is the amount of money they would have to limit to?
Clubs would have to agree to it clearly.
2.5 mil for top 5? 2 for 6-10?
5 mil pick 1, 4.5 pick 2, 4 pick 3 going to a minimum of 500k?
probably a million different reasons not to do it, but in my head it helps St kilda, or GCS or GWS who might need cash, and us who need solid top 20 picks

Do you really believe a team that misses finals, no matter how much of a loss they made for the season, would sell a first round pick?

Especially when the AFL hands poorer teams an extra slice of the pie.

Maybe if a cmub made the top 4 and had a gun father son kid, and had previously traded in a heap of second round picks to match a bid, might sell their first round pick.

However,

 

[Obeanie1]

I think ginbey would be better off spending time behind to ball more than Harley.

Give ginbey a lock down role to stop an opponent then look to work hard to give options when we have the ball .

Ginbey as a half back can become our beu Waters hard man with skills who can pinch hit on ball. Similar to Cripps at the Pies.

 

[MeltMan]

Do you really believe a team that misses finals, no matter how much of a loss they made for the season, would sell a first round pick?

Especially when the AFL hands poorer teams an extra slice of the pie.

Maybe if a cmub made the top 4 and had a gun father son kid, and had previously traded in a heap of second round picks to match a bid, might sell their first round pick.

However,

yea, it was a joke answer in a stupid poddy, i was curious if it could be a thing, maybe salary cash as part of trades, but what picks are worth what is already a cluster.
i suppose its pointless if they cant then use that cash on anything themselves it literally only works for clubs in debt and probably not in the first round.

 

[MeltMan]

Paying for Tim English is the stupidest thing we could possibly do.

We need a ruckman, not a ‘great runner for his size’ midfielder. Bailey gave him a bath in the ruck and at the contest. English gave him a bath running off him, and kicked two goals when swung up forward. Bailey missed his when swung forward. Bailey ate at clearances, our mids ate at stoppages for the first time all year, English got four more touches and made his swings forward count.

I’m thrilled for him. You don’t pay for that. It’s great if you happen to draft it, you don’t spend a dime on it if not.

If we’re breaking the bank for someone you get a ready to go KPF or add another mid. Giving up any amount of top line cash or assets for a gimmicky ruck who hurts you in unique midfield ways but can’t do the service stuff we actually need will set us back a decade. People cry about some late firsts for Tim Kelly, boy oh boy do I look forward to the discourse five years on from the English spend.

this is a problem we already tried to fix with flynn, and drafting with batman.
do we also spend a bunch on English to then **** one of those 2 other fixes off?
all because hes from WA.
you pay out the ass for cox or Nic-Nat, and while English is a decent ruck, i don't think hes those.
at the moment, Jackson, Sean Darcy or Gawn would be rucks id happy if a decent chunk was spent on. English isn't that good.

 

[MeltMan]

replied to wrong comment sorry

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Do you really believe a team that misses finals, no matter how much of a loss they made for the season, would sell a first round pick?

Especially when the AFL hands poorer teams an extra slice of the pie.

Maybe if a cmub made the top 4 and had a gun father son kid, and had previously traded in a heap of second round picks to match a bid, might sell their first round pick.

However,

I can think of a few scenarios where a club wants to sell a top 4 pick

1. Father-Son prospect (Ashcroft and Lions sitting after 4 rounds with one hand on the wooden spoon or Pies with Daicos coming through the draft in 2022 holding pick 2 in 2021)
2. Academy points like Suns had with Walters in 2023 knowing he was a top 2 prospect
3. Receiving a future first in a trade like Melbourne did with Freo and Giants did with Tigers
4. A club taking a dip like Sydney in 2020 and trying to right the ship having been burdened with Buddy's big sack of cash for a decade. Likewise with Melbourne in 2019 when they crapped the bed after being cornholed by West Coast in the 2018 Prelim Final and needing 12 months to recover from it.
5. Norf in 2024 holding a top 2 pick in a draft that is currently screaming mids at the pointy end - sell off 1or 2 for $4 mln and buy pick 6 for best KPF costing $1 mln and best KPD at pick 15 for $0.5 to 1 mln
6. Norf in 2024 when they cannot get a quality FA to join them and are ready to back in the 30+ first round picks they already have in on the list to come good and not needing another early pick.


As it stands, your mighty Lions are currently equal bottom with us and without the calming influence of Tim Gepp as the moral policeman for teams travelling overseas, I would say if things stay the same and the disunity remains with Daniel and the Lion's Den, then your club would do well to sell off pick 4 for a multi-millions salary relief. Are you going to be able to pay enough for McCluggage, Raynor, Ashcrofts, Joey, Cameron, Lohman, Wilmot, etc (the majority are out of contract in 2024 or 2025). You can always buy points when the draft gets closer and go for picks 31 to 38 to use for Levi!! Hence you get a top end player in Levi plus a significant salary relief.

 

[FKASC]

Any track watcher over there seeing a decent young outside mid option we could target in the Mid Season draft?

Our inside players did well last weekend, it would be fantastic to find a longer term wingman type floating about in the two's.

Any Swan Districts fans have an opinion on Jye Chalcraft?

Not that young but I hear a midfielder called G Clark did pretty well in the WAFL

 

[ziad]

Not that young but I hear a midfielder called G Clark did pretty well in the WAFL

That's says a lot about the WAFL pace

 

[MeltMan]

I can think of a few scenarios where a club wants to sell a top 4 pick

1. Father-Son prospect (Ashcroft and Lions sitting after 4 rounds with one hand on the wooden spoon or Pies with Daicos coming through the draft in 2022 holding pick 2 in 2021)
2. Academy points like Suns had with Walters in 2023 knowing he was a top 2 prospect
3. Receiving a future first in a trade like Melbourne did with Freo and Giants did with Tigers
4. A club taking a dip like Sydney in 2020 and trying to right the ship having been burdened with Buddy's big sack of cash for a decade. Likewise with Melbourne in 2019 when they crapped the bed after being cornholed by West Coast in the 2018 Prelim Final and needing 12 months to recover from it.
5. Norf in 2024 holding a top 2 pick in a draft that is currently screaming mids at the pointy end - sell off 1or 2 for $4 mln and buy pick 6 for best KPF costing $1 mln and best KPD at pick 15 for $0.5 to 1 mln
6. Norf in 2024 when they cannot get a quality FA to join them and are ready to back in the 30+ first round picks they already have in on the list to come good and not needing another early pick.


As it stands, your mighty Lions are currently equal bottom with us and without the calming influence of Tim Gepp as the moral policeman for teams travelling overseas, I would say if things stay the same and the disunity remains with Daniel and the Lion's Den, then your club would do well to sell off pick 4 for a multi-millions salary relief. Are you going to be able to pay enough for McCluggage, Raynor, Ashcrofts, Joey, Cameron, Lohman, Wilmot, etc (the majority are out of contract in 2024 or 2025). You can always buy points when the draft gets closer and go for picks 31 to 38 to use for Levi!! Hence you get a top end player in Levi plus a significant salary relief.

i stand corrected by much more intelligent footy knowers

 

[mattyc75]

Ginbey as a half back can become our beu Waters hard man with skills who can pinch hit on ball. Similar to Cripps at the Pies.

If ginbey ends up a backman we really stuffed that draft up

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[JackOutback]

If ginbey ends up a backman we really stuffed that draft up

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Not really, if he becomes a half back flanker that drives attacks, like Hodge or Sheppard, and Hewitt becomes a jet, it's still a good draft.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

If ginbey ends up a backman we really stuffed that draft up

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Why ?
Waters , hurn and sheppard were all higher picks than ginbey and were all worthy of those picks .

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Why ?
Waters , hurn and sheppard were all higher picks than ginbey and were all worthy of those picks .

Doesn’t change your point but only sheppard was. Waters 11 hurn 13 from memory

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Hurn, shep, p cripps... geez we are setting the bar so high.

 

[mattyc75]

Why ?
Waters , hurn and sheppard were all higher picks than ginbey and were all worthy of those picks .

Yeah I get that but we clearly drafted him as a mid so you'd hope our talent identification isn't that far off the mark
And don't get me wrong I'm not writing ginbey off but there's no way we drafted him as a backman.
I just hope Hewett gets over his injuries, him and reid would be an amazing,creative midfield combo

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[eagles rule]

Sorry, im not sure where this question belongs.
Because i was curious as to what they would say, i brought up the should $$$ mean no prio picks on a dumb comedy footy podcast.
Their making it into a bit solution was that buying picks from clubs to help all the teams in debt.
Has AFL ever considered being able to use money with pick trades?
What is the amount of money they would have to limit to?
Clubs would have to agree to it clearly.
2.5 mil for top 5? 2 for 6-10?
5 mil pick 1, 4.5 pick 2, 4 pick 3 going to a minimum of 500k?
probably a million different reasons not to do it, but in my head it helps St kilda, or GCS or GWS who might need cash, and us who need solid top 20 picks

It would be unfair to any young draftee to be burdened with the weight of being valued at 2.5 m on draft night ..As history as shown us it really can be a massive fail with these top 10 picks ..

 

[eagles rule]

Any track watcher over there seeing a decent young outside mid option we could target in the Mid Season draft?

Our inside players did well last weekend, it would be fantastic to find a longer term wingman type floating about in the two's.

Any Swan Districts fans have an opinion on Jye Chalcraft?

WAFL season has only just finished Rd 1 ,so a little early to see the exposed form ..

 

[eaglevision]

JUH about to sign for 2 more years at the dogs. Will be interesting to see how much they are paying him, hopefully similar or more money than Naughton.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Any track watcher over there seeing a decent young outside mid option we could target in the Mid Season draft?

Our inside players did well last weekend, it would be fantastic to find a longer term wingman type floating about in the two's.

Any Swan Districts fans have an opinion on Jye Chalcraft?

Any Victorian draft watchers had a look at Tom Hanily from Gippsland?

 

[Obeanie1]

If ginbey ends up a backman we really stuffed that draft up

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What pick was Beau Waters? Pick 8.

If Ginbey has the career of Waters I'd take that in a heartbeat. Exactly the type of half back we need.

Halfback is basically a midfielder in the modern game.