List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."







 
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1 year deals:
Rawlinson
Livingstone
Trew
Culley

Retire/delist:
JJ
Rotham
Witherden
Burgiel
Edwards
Gaff

Trade Ins:
Peatling- 23 + GWS give back 49
Kozzie- 12 + Hawks f1

Trade Outs:
Barass- 12 and Hawks f1
Darling- Pies 48

Draft:
3 - O'Sullivan
48 - Dennis
49 + 59 (445pts) = pick 39 Champion bid
Kozzie
Peatling
Graham (FA)

Best 23
Hough Edwards Cole
Duggan Gov Ginbey
Kelly Peatling Maric
Pickett Snake Long
Ryan Allen Jwilliams

Flynn Yeo Reid

O'Sullivan Graham Hutchinson Dewar
(Sub)Hewett
I think youre paying a touch overs for Peatling there, id at least ask for 35 back instead or as well as 49. Id really like another pick in the top 25ish but idk how if we use those picks on Kozi
 

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Before everyone starts shouting from rooftops in langford we trust

Wait for the combine. He's may test slower then a snail for speed and endurance. That would be a deal breaker. He had one vfl game with men and got 12 possessions.

Now as a hypocrite same doesn't apply for Lalor. He could test slower worse on endurance then langford I still draft him instead of langford. Now if Lalor blitzes combine then we'll let hope other clubs don't watch combine score and he slides
He played both academy games vs Dogs and Coburg, good in both games.

I've been worried about Langford for pace, not agility though! I think over a 20m sprint he could well be slow, but his first 5 metres look quick, he has a good burst away from stoppage but he's probably one who is quick for first 10 and average next 10. Where most would hit top speed in the second 10m, so I'm less concerned and if we're interested hopefully we can test the first 5m and 10m. His laterally movement and agility actually looks very good, I think that combined with his 5m burst is how he breaks clear in stoppages.

Lalor I think will be quick and test quick, maybe less so for agility. Time will tell, but he's a explosive player.
 
Graham is free, Peatling will be relatively cheap as hes not even locked in the best 22 for GWS.

We ideally want 2 of these guys imo. Need to move Kelly out and to be able to move out Yeo in case of injury or just to protect him at half back.

Draft wont cover these defensive mid roles in the near future, thats years away.
Graham is free in draft picks, but we've offered him a four year deal. He's injury prone, we are clearly using salary cap space which you can bank over time with smart contract management and may eventually be able to use to buy picks or incentivise a chad type.

Harley, daicos, sheezel, JHF, weddle, mckercher, gulden, holmes.

It's a bit of a fallacy players can't impact in their first 1-3 years. If you have good picks, and draft well you can get players that impact almost immediately. I don't consider our second rounder "cheap" in this draft for peatling. He's 24 and still hasn't properly established himself in an admittedly very strong midfield. I would rather build a core around Harley.

Parfitt the best fit for us imo. Does the hard stuff to an afl level. Is a legit on-baller where we want an extra option (i.e better fit than graham) and is less likely imo to have his body fall apart next year than Graham.

Peatling's fine but not for a top 30 pick (which is what he will cost).
 
Time to roll this runaway train of a thread over

A bit of a summary of where we sit with our list and what’s on the radar for us

We currently have 34 players contracted beyond 2024 (31 main list, 2 rookie list and 1 Cat B rookie)

Which leaves 10 players currently out of contract :
Rotham
Witherden
Jones
L Edwards
Trew (R)
Culley (R)*
Burgiel
Baker (R)
Livingstone (Cat B)*
Rawlinson (R)*

* As reported by old mate Stickdick, these players have reportedly signed, or are about to sign, new deals. The future for rest of that list remains in limbo for the time being as they have yet to be offered a contract for 2025

Assuming that is correct and with Barrass requesting a trade to Hawthorn we have 8 list spots available for the draft, FA/trades or re-signings

Our current draft hand is 3,23,59 plus whatever we receive for Barrass, likely to be Hawthorn’s R1 pick at a minimum with other pick(s) to be determined. We’ll also have pick 3 in the rookie draft

Using 4 draft picks plus one in the rookie draft should be considered the minimum for a rebuilding side. Ideally, given the purported depth of this draft we should be looking at using a 5th draft pick if we can trade one in somehow

As for trades and FA acquisitions we have been linked to the following :

Peatling (GWS)
Baker (Richmond)
Graham (Richmond - FA)
Parfitt (Geelong - FA)
Carroll (Carlton)
Garcia (Bulldogs)
Clurey (Port Adelaide)

Sheldrick (Sydney) and Robertson (Brisbane) remain possible targets albeit neither name has come up in the media yet

We have also been tenuously linked to Kozi Pickett but it appears more likely he’ll head to Fremantle if he decides to leave Melbourne

Our success in luring some of those players will determine how many, if any, of those contracted players remain or if we have to trade players out or delist a contracted player (unlikely) to make room on the list. Graham and Baker seem the most likely whilst the rest are speculative at best

Ryan, Darling and Petruccelle have been raised as potential trades but mainly in passing rather than anything definitive

Trade week commences Monday, October 7 and runs through to Wednesday, October 16 - a mere 38 sleeps away

Worth editing to add Gaff (retired) to the Out of Contract list?

(More for completeness rather than people being unaware!)
 
Pickett ... Isn't even that good?

Will miss at least a month every year with ill-discipline too 🤷‍♂️
A small forward who's kicked 40-odd goals every year for the last 4 years, as well as being the #1 pressure forward 'isn't that good'?

We'd be creaming our pants if we had someone like that.
 
If we want to trade for quality players you have to give quality in return.
The only players that might be tradeable are Allen, Ryan and Waterman.
Freo have accumulated a lot of first rounders in this draft.
If they land Bolton,Baker Warner & Pickett they will have built themselves a formidable team.
If we don't strengthen our hand at the next 2 drafts we wont be able to fast track our rebuild.
The Dockers supporters will be unbearable for many years.
Cop that !!!
 

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If we want to trade for quality players you have to give quality in return.
The only players that might be tradeable are Allen, Ryan and Waterman.
Freo have accumulated a lot of first rounders in this draft.
If they land Bolton,Baker Warner & Pickett they will have built themselves a formidable team.
If we don't strengthen our hand at the next 2 drafts we wont be able to fast track our rebuild.
The Dockers supporters will be unbearable for many years.
Cop that !!!
If we trade TB for Hawks first (12) and Pies 2nd (30) our hand is better then theirs.

Freo can just afford to trade their picks more than us as their stars are young. Imo though it doesn’t mean if their is a good trade there for us to bring in a star at 20-23yo you don’t trade for them.


If I was going to the draft, I’d rather
3, 12, 23, 30
Is better then
9, 10, 17, 27
 
I think youre paying a touch overs for Peatling there, id at least ask for 35 back instead or as well as 49. Id really like another pick in the top 25ish but idk how if we use those picks on Kozi
You're probably right, westcoast ability to offer more game time and contract length means we could get him a fraction cheaper if he chooses us
 
Start of 2025 Bolton is 26 and Baker is 27, both have premiership experience which Freo need.

Kozzy and Warner are both 23 which is perfect for us. Throw in Peatling (24) and Dev (23) and we have bolstered the midfield, added pace, flair and aggression as well as some defensive balance.

Here is my attempt at making it happen while maintaining a top 10 pick to land an elite young mid. The end of R1 priority picks are a big IF but would give us a lot more flexibility with trades and draft collateral. If North got given 4 surely we can get 2 ??

TB to Hawks for 12 + 30
Ryan to Freo for 27 + Knobel
JD to Pies for 50
Petch to highest bidder at approx 40
End of R1 PP 19 + 20 from AFL

Draft picks
3, 12, 19, 20, 23, 27, 30, 40, 50, 59, 77

Trade
12 + 20 to Dees for Kozzy
3 + 19 + BW to Saints for 7 + 8 (Battle compo)
23 + 27 + 30 to Suns for 13
7 + 13 + F3 to Sydney for Warner
F2 + 40 to Giants for Peatling + 35
50 to Lions for Dev

Draft
8 best mid
35 best slider
59 champion
77 will come in to 60 odd

In: Kozzy, Warner, Peatling, Dev, Knobel

B: Hough Edwards Hunt
HB: Ginbey Gov Duggo
C: Kelly Yeo Peatling
HF: Pickett Waterman Hewett
F: Long Allen JWillo
R: Flynn Reid Warner
Int: Maric Hutch Dev pick 8
S: Chesser
E: Bazzo Dewar Brockman Hall Archer Witho Cole Cripps

I know the draft mafia want to flood the team with speculative 18 year olds, but in this scenario we bring in
  • 1x gun AA attacking mid
  • 1x gun small forward/mid
  • 2x best 22 balanced/defensive mids
  • 1x developing ruck
  • All between the ages of 20-24
  • Retain top 10 pick
All of a sudden we look pretty competitive and Harley might enjoy a few more wins with a core group of youngsters which will go a long way to keeping him and others together long term.
Look, what you say for each individual trade has a veneer of plausibility, but there's just no world in which this, or even half of this, ever happens. The AFL just doesn't embrace the full chaos trades like this.

Also, while i like the idea of Warner, we sure he even wants to leave?
 
In the last 4 years Kossie has kicked: 40, 41, 37, 36 goals.

That’s very good.
25, 23, 23, 21 games too.

He’s good for one absolute dog shot per year, but beyond that he genuinely never misses time.
 


Fox Footy pushing for 6 AND 20 for Dan Rioli, and think Freo will give up Pick 10 for Liam Baker. Bloody hell.
 


Fox Footy pushing for 6 AND 20 for Dan Rioli, and think Freo will give up Pick 10 for Liam Baker. Bloody hell.

Has Fox Sports been correct about anything trade/draft related in recent memory?

You're better off listening to Twomey, who's said no way to a first rounder for Baker.
 
How many goals has Oscar Allen kicked in that same period ?
28, -, 53, 20.

Higher average in the last two seasons than Pickett’s best ever, has also missed a hell of a lot of time. Why the comparison?
 
If we trade TB for Hawks first (12) and Pies 2nd (30) our hand is better then theirs.

Freo can just afford to trade their picks more than us as their stars are young. Imo though it doesn’t mean if their is a good trade there for us to bring in a star at 20-23yo you don’t trade for them.


If I was going to the draft, I’d rather
3, 12, 23, 30
Is better then
9, 10, 17, 27
Pick 3 for us isn't tradeable, so for comparison purposes that leaves the dockers with 9,10,17,27 which is a stronger hand than our 12,23,30
That's 3 in the top 20 against against our 1 at this time. We have to trade to strengthen our hand for a early rebuild or we will need to win the next 5 wooden spoons if we rely on getting high first round draft picks.
 


Fox Footy pushing for 6 AND 20 for Dan Rioli, and think Freo will give up Pick 10 for Liam Baker. Bloody hell.


IF Graham is netting them pick 22 then that helps get Baker for cheaper.

They are crazy if Pick 12 and 22 is going their way for Baker & Graham.
 

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