List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[CountryLad]

Find it hard to believe that Kelly is only worth a second round pick. He played this year with a hip injury you campaigners.
Won our F&B only 12 months ago. Is still currently our second best midfielder and could well be our best when 100% fit and still under contract.

Outside of the garbage being written about his worth in this thread it’s simply his manager trying to get the ball rolling on a new contract. It makes sense that with 12 months to go that Kelly would like to start negotiations on a new contract.

The good news is that we aren’t the same club anymore that was gifting big fat extensions to blokes approaching 30 yrs of age like we were post 2018. The big extensions are going to blokes in there mid twenties such as Waterman and Allen.
If Kelly doesn’t like what he is hearing about a contract extension then I’m sure the club would be happy for him to look elsewhere like Barrass has. It won’t be for a second round pick though.

 

[mattyc75]

Draft Draper with 3. Warner next year.

A starting midfield of Warner, Reid and Draper with Hewett and Ginbey as rotations is a pretty handy young group.

Hopefully hutch too

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[Barrybran]

Find it hard to believe that Kelly is only worth a second round pick. He played this year with a hip injury you campaigners.
Won our F&B only 12 months ago. Is still currently our second best midfielder and could well be our best when 100% fit and still under contract.

Outside of the garbage being written about his worth in this thread it’s simply his manager trying to get the ball rolling on a new contract. It makes sense that with 12 months to go that Kelly would like to start negotiations on a new contract.

The good news is that we aren’t the same club anymore that was gifting big fat extensions to blokes approaching 30 yrs of age like we were post 2018. The big extensions are going to blokes in there mid twenties such as Waterman and Allen.
If Kelly doesn’t like what he is hearing about a contract extension then I’m sure the club would be happy for him to look elsewhere like Barrass has. It won’t be for a second round pick though.

Are you thinking early teens for a contender? Less valuable than Barrass at top 10, more valuable than Richmond fan's thinking Baker is worth a late first?

 

[stallon]

Cody shapes as the number 1 key defender prospect in the pool entering 2025, although he's also played forward to great effect at Colts level this season. He's much stronger overhead than his brother Dan and looks a more intense competitor, similarly solid disposal skills but perhaps little less clean with the ground ball.

Do you (or anyone else in this thread) think Curtin seems like a top 10 prospect?
If not do you have any projection on where he might sit?

I know its very early

 

[pantskyle]

If I was Hawks I’d spew at that suggestion and I’d be extremely happy with it as an Eagles supporter. Probably tells you that it’s lopsided.

MeGA trade

Eagles
Out Barrass, Kelly(+salary), F3
In Baker, 10,29,30

Richmond
Out Baker, Bolton, 29
In 9,13,16

Freo
Out 9,10,16
In Bolton, Kelly, HF2

Hawks
Out 13,30, F2
Barrass, WCF3

Eagles get Baker plus picks. Richmond get 3 1sts. Freo get Bolton and Kelly + pick for Warner next year. Hawks get Barrass and keep their F1.

Well it should be lopsided, he has a long term contract and they courted him. Would be bizarre if Hawks think they would be getting him for straight up fair value.

 

[noobermensch]

Do you (or anyone else in this thread) think Curtin seems like a top 10 prospect?
If not do you have any projection on where he might sit?

I know its very early

I definitely see him as a top 10 prospect as it stands. One of the big question marks over Dan was uncertainty around his best position, largely due to his relatively poor aerial skills for his height. That's not the situation for Cody... he's powerful and dominant in the air, and great with his bodywork in marking contests. He's 100% pure key position - we already know that he can be an outstanding key defender, the only question to be answered I think is whether he's going to be capable of kicking bags forward.

 

[Goomba1973]

Looking at a possible worst case scenario that may still be somewhat good for us.

Pick 3 and some extras for Baker+10.

Now before people freakout, 10 and 13 will ensure us TT and Lindsay.

Whilst these two aren't star mid prospects, they still provide us with much needed outside speed, good footskills and drive off the wing and out the backline.

TT starts in defence and Lindsay on the wing, while Baker plays full time mid for us.

While not ideal, we need to have 2 picks in the top 20 and this may be the only way to do it.

TT, Lindsay and Baker is still pretty good tbh.

We need another gun mid badly....Draper , FOS , Lalor ...

 

[CountryLad]

Are you thinking early teens for a contender? Less valuable than Barrass at top 10, more valuable than Richmond fan's thinking Baker is worth a late first?

If he went to Freo I wouldn’t accept anything less than pick 16. Probably start the negotiations at pick 10 with something going back and settle on that pick 16. Otherwise he’s worth more to us than that. If he gets over his niggles from this year and returns to 2023 form he’s still a good player.

End of the day we have a new coach so things can change quickly in the AFL and that’s more likely to happen the better your list is. You don’t just give away good players unless your salary cap is a mess.

Don’t overthink it like I said in my previous post it’s simply his manager trying to get the ball rolling over the summer break.

 

[Goomba1973]

I think thats pretty even tbh. Better for us using the Hawks F1 instead of 13.

Id really want to try to split 18 again after this too, or split 3 into 6 or 7 + 2nd round pick with Richmond or Saints.
Take whichever is best available with 6/7 and 13 then fill list holes with 3x 2nd round picks and Champion

Not champion...how many undersized inconsistent small forwards do we want? We've got Brockman, Dewar and Long .

 

[DeckedOut20]

With Baker and Graham all but locked in, I had a quick look at a few key stats to see what they bring to the table and where they would have stacked up in our side this year.

Baker:

• 4th for PR - every player above him 29 or older.
• 6th Coaches votes
• 5th Disposals, 4th Contested Pos, 4th Ground Ball Gets, 8th Hard Ball gets.
• 3rd Inside 50's
• 6th Metres Gained.
• 4th Turnovers - TK 1st, Yeo 2nd & Duggan 3rd.
• 7th Centre Bounce Attendance, 5th Clearances.
• 6th Tackles, 2nd Pressure Acts.
• 6th Goals, 2nd Score Involvement, 5th Score Launch.

Graham:

• 11th for Player Ratings - Only two players younger than him above him, Reid 6th & Ginbey 9th.
• 7th Disposals, 8th Contested Possessions, 6th Ground Ball Gets, 11th Hard Ball Gets.
• 9th Inside 50's, 9th Score Involvements.
• 6th Centre Bounce Attendance, 6th Clearances.
• 3rd tackles, 4th Pressure Acts.

 

[FKASC]

Always. There's always a cohort of fans at every club that get angry anytime someone leaves. Not all are logical.

My Willie

 

[FKASC]

With Baker and Graham all but locked in, I had a quick look at a few key stats to see what they bring to the table and where they would have stacked up in our side this year.

Baker:

• 4th for PR - every player above him 29 or older.
• 6th Coaches votes
• 5th Disposals, 4th Contested Pos, 4th Ground Ball Gets, 8th Hard Ball gets.
• 3rd Inside 50's
• 6th Metres Gained.
• 4th Turnovers - TK 1st, Yeo 2nd & Duggan 3rd.
• 7th Centre Bounce Attendance, 5th Clearances.
• 6th Tackles, 2nd Pressure Acts.
• 6th Goals, 2nd Score Involvment, 5th Score Launch.

Graham

• 11th for Player Ratings - Only two players younger than him above him Reid 6th & Ginbey 9th.
• 7th Disposals, 8th Contested Posessions, 6th Ground Ball Gets, 11th Hard Ball Gets.
• 9th Inside 50's, 9th Score Involvements.
• 6th Centre Bounce Attendance, 6th Clearances.
• 3rd tackles, 4th Pressure Acts.

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Nice work

 

[Sammy J]

I'll back TK in to have a big year next year. If he was playing injured last season, let's get him fit and motivated with a new coach. With his contract ending at the end of 2025, he'll want to have a big season to secure a Yeo type deal to end his career.

 

[Hook461123]

Well it should be lopsided, he has a long term contract and they courted him. Would be bizarre if Hawks think they would be getting him for straight up fair value.

I think we’re pretty keen for the trade too though. Mutually beneficial and helps us facilitate other trades.

What people are suggesting with two firsts is the opposite to the Kelly trade but for a 29yr old not a 23 year old.
I know publically that’s what we are asking for but think it’s much more likely a first and a second.

 

[Cuzz09]

Honestly, we've brought in a lot of kids these past couple of years. If we dealt Pick 3 and the Barass pick for Warner, and pick 23 for Baker, get Graham as a FA, I could honestly live with it. Would be nice if we got some sweet compo picks to assist with adding some more draftees or being ontraded.

Warner is only 23yrs old, so entering his prime, and has a decade of footy left in him. He;s already one of the better mids in the competition.

Midfield group of Warner, Yeo, Kelly, Reid, Baker, Graham looks pretty solid. Honestly, we just need a decent ruck that can win a few hitouts.

Worst case scenario we're still shit next year and we get another top 3 pick to add to the mix.

The comp is quite close if we improve we could win 7-9 games and still get pick 3 or 4 which would be ok

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[Byron_Clanger]

1) I absolutely think TK's management fed Ryan Daniels contract info to Tweet to get the ball rolling on an extension, and 2) I think it backfired when they saw the reaction overnight and this morning of one side being 'How dare they' and the other side being 'YES PLEASE GO!' Lol

 

[Obeanie1]

To me that reads a little like Witho’s manager’s comments that they are keen to extend but WCE keeping their powder dry and might see what if any comments come in (for Kelly).

I like it.

Also Byron_Clanger snr’s day just got a whole lot shittier.

It's a throw away comment by Kelly's manager. What else would they say.

Happy to extend his contract. Happy to be there.

We may end up with a Barrass type scenario. If you want a contract extension it may need to be elsewhere.

 

[pantskyle]

I think we’re pretty keen for the trade too though. Mutually beneficial and helps us facilitate other trades.

What people are suggesting with two firsts is the opposite to the Kelly trade but for a 29yr old not a 23 year old.
I know publically that’s what we are asking for but think it’s much more likely a first and a second.

The clubs fine with either outcome. They won't be sending Barrass off for unders.

Two firsts is absolutely fair when you factor in one is pick 13 which will be pushed out to 14/15 and Hawks F1 could be close to pick 20 when you factor in where Hawks could finish and the amount of bid matching for next draft.

 

[stallon]

Not champion...how many undersized inconsistent small forwards do we want? We've got Brockman, Dewar and Long .

Brockman, Dewar and Long arent really goal kicking smalls, Champion is the more crafty type imo.
None of them are really locks to be good players either, id 100% take Champion and then Walley next year, surely we get at least 1 up to 3 good ones from that mix.
Can always delist in 2 years if they dont pan out

 

[Ghossein]

calling it - TK will get a 1 year extension with a trigger for a 2nd at some point during 2025

 

[stallon]

I definitely see him as a top 10 prospect as it stands. One of the big question marks over Dan was uncertainty around his best position, largely due to his relatively poor aerial skills for his height. That's not the situation for Cody... he's powerful and dominant in the air, and great with his bodywork in marking contests. He's 100% pure key position - we already know that he can be an outstanding key defender, the only question to be answered I think is whether he's going to be capable of kicking bags forward.

Nice, if he ended up as a KPD I think id be pretty keen

 

[Obeanie1]

How about a few players for Kelly from Freo, O'Driscoll and Knobel?
Not sure on Kelly's value tbh, older but still quality, for a couple of young fellas that both have decent up side.
Unlikely Freo gives up their youth though

I'd trade a 31 year old Kelly plus a F3rd for Erasmus, Noble and pick 27. And pay some of his 2025 salary.

Two young yet unproven players in positions of need plus a handy 2nd rounder.

Just don't see a top 10 pick being involved in any deal for Tim.

 

[new breed]

Harley Reid will be the number 1 midfielder the way we want to cut players like Kelly , experience and maturity is needed at this rebuild stage .
Reid playing FF at times could be effective also ,...very effective.

 

[Goomba1973]

Brockman, Dewar and Long arent really goal kicking smalls, Champion is the more crafty type imo.
None of them are really locks to be good players either, id 100% take Champion and then Walley next year, surely we get at least 1 up to 3 good ones from that mix.
Can always delist in 2 years if they dont pan out

I'd take Jaxon Artemis in a heartbeat over Champion. Half back flanker / wing, metres gained type player, takes the game on, great footy brain , very quick on his feet, WA MVP at the Carnival with Bo Allan and Champion both playing ... and fills that outside runner we need

 

[Obeanie1]

And I bet he took the advice of the medical staff.

Don’t know for sure but sounds like Neale has severe plantar fasciiitis.

I've got the same issue on and off.

Not very nice. Quite painful.